Did chiarellis ineptitude get us puljujarvi ?
- HB77

No, Columbus's did.

In more important news (that I forgot to mention earlier in the offseason), Klefbom rocked a 49 point pace from January onward (26 points and +12 in 44 games) when he and Larsson began getting a feel for one another (visually and statistically). Combine that with his consistenly great possession numbers and you've got yourself a legit # 1Dman.

(frank) all of you female doges that ever doubted this beautiful man!

First of all, you didn't answer my question. Secondly, no matter how you want to word it you are pretty much saying that Mact had no recourse but to do exactly what he did and no matter what Chia achieved he gets no credit because he got McDavid.

Might as well call you Iggy.
- Oildrum

you can call me whatever you choose. Maybe I can could come up with some clever name to call you jumping all over chias dik while ignoring every possible variable. But whatev, I don't care what labels we use on each other.

I did answer the question. again, quite clearly.
So if we know the types of deals out there for hall were of Larsson quality, we can also surmise that the ebs deals were even less using obvious logic.
So no, he didn't have any recourse but to ride it out and hope they were able to turn it around. Not really anyway, if that was the climate. He absolutely could not make a deal like that. It's a disastrous move. Unless of course you've got a generational player in your back pocket to pick up the slack left by hall.

I seriously don't think any gm could've done much for that iteration of the team at that time. Ie; pre developed klefbom/talbot and the golden boy.

BUt Of course I give pc some credit changing the heaviness and culture of the team in Maroon//lucic/kassian etc.

So I guess my retort is; are you saying that had mact not been fired, he wouldn't have also had some success with a developed leon (his pick) added to the squad? And klefbom. And talbot. And Connor mcdavid

I mean you're the one who insists on making this black and white. Not me. I don't love one guy and hate the other or give zero credit. I even admitted that the Larsson trade turned out better than I expected. But you don't but wanna hear that cause it doesn't jive with your idea of all in or nothing. While I just think There's shades of grey and a ton of variables

No, Columbus's did.
- Oildrum

Even worse. His ineptitude (by your metrics anyway) would've garnered a much lesser prospect. Only with the same dismal finish as macts squad had.

In more important news (that I forgot to mention earlier in the offseason), Klefbom rocked a 49 point pace from January onward (26 points and +12 in 44 games) when he and Larsson began getting a feel for one another (visually and statistically). Combine that with his consistenly great possession numbers and you've got yourself a legit # 1Dman.

(frank) all of you female doges that ever doubted this beautiful man!
- MaximumBone

Yeah, his 2nd half, and moreso that final 30 or so were a legit 1

you can call me whatever you choose. Maybe I can could come up with some clever name to call you jumping all over chias dik while ignoring every possible variable. But whatev, I don't care what labels we use on each other.

I did answer the question. again, quite clearly.
So if we know the types of deals out there for hall were of Larsson quality, we can also surmise that the ebs deals were even less using obvious logic.
So no, he didn't have any recourse but to ride it out and hope they were able to turn it around. Not really anyway, if that was the climate. He absolutely could not make a deal like that. It's a disastrous move. Unless of course you've got a generational player in your back pocket to pick up the slack left by hall.

I seriously don't think any gm could've done much for that iteration of the team at that time. Ie; pre developed klefbom/talbot and the golden boy.

BUt Of course I give pc some credit changing the heaviness and culture of the team in Maroon//lucic/kassian etc.

So I guess my retort is; are you saying that had mact not been fired, he wouldn't have also had some success with a developed leon (his pick) added to the squad? And klefbom. And talbot. And Connor mcdavid

I mean you're the one who insists on making this black and white. Not me. I don't love one guy and hate the other or give zero credit. I even admitted that the Larsson trade turned out better than I expected. But you don't but wanna hear that cause it doesn't jive with your idea of all in or nothing. While I just think There's shades of grey and a ton of variables
- HB77

First, going by you're location there's definitely some bias here.

Secondly to answer your question, no I'm not saying Mact wouldn't have had any success with those additions. What I'm saying is to just say no GM could have done anything with the team during MacT's tenure is either extremely naive or just blatantly trying to win an argument.

Just remember MacT fired a coach that brought out the best in Yak and Schultz and was well liked by the players for that poopbag Eakins who started the darkest stretch of the decade of darkness. Preached bold moves and made none. He was very similar to Tambellini actually.

Are you really trying to say that no GM in the league could have done a better job than a rookie GM in Mact during his time running the Oilers.

Awful choice. BUT it is literally the name of the game. Bring in your guy to fill your vision. ITs not even what typically happens. It's pretty much the the rule. I don't see how that makes someone stupid for pointing out that fact

I really don't think any gm could've pulled this team out of that tailspin much quicker due to a few things. The guys who were there (nuge/yaks) during our years of picking first instead of pretty much every year bookending those drafts. . The lack of depth on defence when we started our rebuild. And edm being so low on the totem pole as a free agent destination.
Which of course has also changed now due to Connor

It's pretty much all on Connor. Everything has changed for the better because of him. Including the gms job. BUt I won't dismiss some of the prudent additions pc has made to surround his golden ticket
- HB77

No where did I make such a statement. If Mac-T did this, simply because it was the norm, or old school convention, then that in itself was a poor decision for an even worse reason.
The team had been through how many coaches in how many years? Mac-T could have put a stop to that, but he didn't, and then hired a guy with zero NHL head coaching experience.
However decisions like that, got the team Mcdavid, so in the end, well played Mac-tarded.

In more important news (that I forgot to mention earlier in the offseason), Klefbom rocked a 49 point pace from January onward (26 points and +12 in 44 games) when he and Larsson began getting a feel for one another (visually and statistically). Combine that with his consistenly great possession numbers and you've got yourself a legit # 1Dman.

(frank) all of you female doges that ever doubted this beautiful man!
- MaximumBone

I was surprised how well the Oil did down the stretch! Expected you guys to have a harder time staying above .500. I can be wrong just like anyone.

Anyone watching those pre-playoffs Sharks/Oil games could see it was over before the series started. You guys finding ways to beat the Coyotes was big. lol they had your number for a long time.

We're all wrong and right at some points. I still think the league meta will adapt to McDavid, and whether he finds other primary ways to produce is up in the air. It's pretty stupid to sell yourself as a person who is never wrong.

How many times were you guys wrong about the Oilers turning legit over one offseason? Eight times? Max, Iggy and Jero kept it realistic at least. The rest of you..

Does he actually even write anything or just post links to his own twitter posts, and other posts he reads on twitter?
- leonkennedy

I have no idea, to be honest.

Not only could MacT not win with 3 1st overalls, but he made no trades with them to change the makeup of the team either. Chia did.
- Oildrum

That is the oldest, stupidest argument regarding MAcT and EVen and idiot like you can see how MAc T Have 10 dollars to play with and Chia had 16.

In more important news (that I forgot to mention earlier in the offseason), Klefbom rocked a 49 point pace from January onward (26 points and +12 in 44 games) when he and Larsson began getting a feel for one another (visually and statistically). Combine that with his consistenly great possession numbers and you've got yourself a legit # 1Dman.

(frank) all of you female doges that ever doubted this beautiful man!
- MaximumBone

The only concerns I ever had over Klefbom was whether his health issues would force him into a career of male underwear modelling. Happily (and also somewhat sadly) that has not been the case.

First, going by you're location there's definitely some bias here.

Secondly to answer your question, no I'm not saying Mact wouldn't have had any success with those additions. What I'm saying is to just say no GM could have done anything with the team during MacT's tenure is either extremely naive or just blatantly trying to win an argument.

Just remember MacT fired a coach that brought out the best in Yak and Schultz and was well liked by the players for that poopbag Eakins who started the darkest stretch of the decade of darkness. Preached bold moves and made none. He was very similar to Tambellini actually.

Are you really trying to say that no GM in the league could have done a better job than a rookie GM in Mact during his time running the Oilers.
- Oildrum

Using a posters location as an argument?

I'll agree that MacT made some boneheaded moves, and I'll even agree that he could have been more aggressive when it came to improving the squad via trades.

However I'm totally with HB77 when he infers that the emergence of Draisaitl and the drafting of McDavid allowed Chiarelli to pursue a much more aggressive policy. Can you imagine trading Hall prior to having McDavid or Draisaitl on the squad? Nobody was gonna give us the goods for Nuge, Eberle or Yak, as we now know.

Using a posters location as an argument?

I'll agree that MacT made some boneheaded moves, and I'll even agree that he could have been more aggressive when it came to improving the squad via trades.

However I'm totally with HB77 when he infers that the emergence of Draisaitl and the drafting of McDavid allowed Chiarelli to pursue a much more aggressive policy. Can you imagine trading Hall prior to having McDavid or Draisaitl on the squad? Nobody was gonna give us the goods for Nuge, Eberle or Yak, as we now know.
- Wildschwein

YUp. You can all but guarantee no Sekeras or Lucic signings with no Connor. Another funny thing I scratched my head about at the time was Derek Roy not being resigned. I can see how we didnt need him but at the same time he was the guy MacT brought in that actually made Yak not look useless.

First, going by you're location there's definitely some bias here.

Secondly to answer your question, no I'm not saying Mact wouldn't have had any success with those additions. What I'm saying is to just say no GM could have done anything with the team during MacT's tenure is either extremely naive or just blatantly trying to win an argument.

Just remember MacT fired a coach that brought out the best in Yak and Schultz and was well liked by the players for that poopbag Eakins who started the darkest stretch of the decade of darkness. Preached bold moves and made none. He was very similar to Tambellini actually.

Are you really trying to say that no GM in the league could have done a better job than a rookie GM in Mact during his time running the Oilers.
- Oildrum

Lets say for a second you replaced Mact the morning before the 2014 draft. What would you have done?

Using a posters location as an argument?

I'll agree that MacT made some boneheaded moves, and I'll even agree that he could have been more aggressive when it came to improving the squad via trades.

However I'm totally with HB77 when he infers that the emergence of Draisaitl and the drafting of McDavid allowed Chiarelli to pursue a much more aggressive policy. Can you imagine trading Hall prior to having McDavid or Draisaitl on the squad? Nobody was gonna give us the goods for Nuge, Eberle or Yak, as we now know.
- Wildschwein

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The location isn't actually a diss. It was just a joke a response to some troll saying any idiot could've couldve drafted connor and turned the franchise around.

And The rest is bang on. And to ignore those facts is what's truly "naive " as he put it

I was surprised how well the Oil did down the stretch! Expected you guys to have a harder time staying above .500. I can be wrong just like anyone.

Anyone watching those pre-playoffs Sharks/Oil games could see it was over before the series started. You guys finding ways to beat the Coyotes was big. lol they had your number for a long time.

We're all wrong and right at some points. I still think the league meta will adapt to McDavid, and whether he finds other primary ways to produce is up in the air. It's pretty stupid to sell yourself as a person who is never wrong.

How many times were you guys wrong about the Oilers turning legit over one offseason? Eight times? Max, Iggy and Jero kept it realistic at least. The rest of you..
- fry

I still think you're confusing the media jumping on the "exciting young oilers" bandwagon, and a few overzealous fans- with the majority. I can speak for myself and at least a few regular posters here. And these were people who knew the serious deficiencies the oilers had and were almost always extremely cautious in any predication/optimism.

This is much like you calling out oiler fans for making up hamonic rumours when that's not at all what happened and we proved it. It was legit journalists and reported on ad nauseum for ages.
I'm not sure why you're so desperate to paint all oiler fans with the same brush or in a certain light. It's like your thing. I don't get it. Most of us have a geographical location we grew up in common which led to cheering for the same squad. Other than that, one just has to read any thread to see the differences in opinions

L


The location isn't actually a diss. It was just a joke a response to some troll saying any idiot could've couldve drafted connor and turned the franchise around.

And The rest is bang on. And to ignore those facts is what's truly "naive " as he put it
- HB77

WE were all there, with a million horrible or unrealistic ideas on what Mac T should have done at the time, but aside from fire EAkins and get a 2nd line center ( which he eventually did in Derek Roy)....what should or could he have done?

I still think you're confusing the media jumping on the "exciting young oilers" bandwagon, and a few overzealous fans- with the majority. I can speak for myself and at least a few regular posters here. And these were people who knew the serious deficiencies the oilers had and were almost always extremely cautious in any predication/optimism.

This is much like you calling out oiler fans for making up hamonic rumours when that's not at all what happened and we proved it. It was legit journalists and reported on adnayse fur ages.
I'm not sure why you're so desperate to paint all oiler fans with the same brush or in a certain light. It's like your thing. I don't get it. Most of us have a geographical location we grew up in common which led to cheering for the same squad. Other than that, one just has to read any thread to see the differences in opinions
- HB77

Ummm....are you unaware of Fry and his reputation here and on the Flames thread ?No need to give him or his opinion any respect or attention, I assure you.

WE were all there, with a million horrible or unrealistic ideas on what Mac T should have done at the time, but aside from fire EAkins and get a 2nd line center ( which he eventually did in Derek Roy)....what should or could he have done?
- Larsson_fan

I won't bother arguing there's no more/better minor additions he could've made.
But we know he couldn't dip into the free agent pool in any super significant way.
And more to the point, we kinda know (can only assume they were similar) what kind of big trades we're out there for our best pieces and a similar trade like the one pc made was absolutely not a deal he could make.

I think about the squad minus hall, Connor , Leon, a developed klefbom and talbot / but plus Adam Larsson and maybe a few free agent scrubs. Holy fuk that woulda been just awful.

But pointing this out makes me bias apparently

That is the oldest, stupidest argument regarding MAcT and EVen and idiot like you can see how MAc T Have 10 dollars to play with and Chia had 16.
- Larsson_fan

To be totally fair MacT inherited a complete mess from Lowe and Tambellini. Years and years of terrible drafting and basically running the team into the ground.
MacT stepped in when the cupboards were bare and we all know out of desperation he brought in whatever dmen he could, to fill the massive void. Unfortunately there was little available and we had no trade chips.... thus enter Fayne,Nikitan, Ference...
Would we have improved with the addition of McDavid under MacTs watch ?... of course.

YUp. You can all but guarantee no Sekeras or Lucic signings with no Connor. Another funny thing I scratched my head about at the time was Derek Roy not being resigned. I can see how we didnt need him but at the same time he was the guy MacT brought in that actually made Yak not look useless.
- Larsson_fan

Indeed McDavids influence on the squad is nowhere near limited to his on ice accomplishments. His precense has done nothing but open doors for Chiarelli, and he'll always hold a place in my heart for making the Larsson trade possible.

To be totally fair MacT inherited a complete mess from Lowe and Tambellini. Years and years of terrible drafting and basically running the team into the ground.
MacT stepped in when the cupboards were bare and we all know out of desperation he brought in whatever dmen he could, to fill the massive void. Unfortunately there was little available and we had no trade chips.... thus enter Fayne,Nikitan, Ference...
Would we have improved with the addition of McDavid under MacTs watch ?... of course.
- oilpatch

And don't forget the best part...most of the morons calling Mact out for those moves now, praised those moves at the time. Ference was automatically our best dman they said and played top 4 on a cup squad and would be exactly what our young guys needed as a leader. Fayne and Nikitin while overpaid were both legit top 4 guys on playoff teams.

Now those same guys have done a 180 in hind sight. Who on here criticized all of those signings at the time??hmmm other than Iggy I don't think anyone...

First, going by you're location there's definitely some bias here.

Secondly to answer your question, no I'm not saying Mact wouldn't have had any success with those additions. What I'm saying is to just say no GM could have done anything with the team during MacT's tenure is either extremely naive or just blatantly trying to win an argument.

Just remember MacT fired a coach that brought out the best in Yak and Schultz and was well liked by the players for that poopbag Eakins who started the darkest stretch of the decade of darkness. Preached bold moves and made none. He was very similar to Tambellini actually.

Are you really trying to say that no GM in the league could have done a better job than a rookie GM in Mact during his time running the Oilers.
- Oildrum

If Mact had made any big move at the time he would have been doing just what Shero did on the Devils. Fill one void, while creating another.

Mact had Hall, Nuge, Ebs and Yak.

Chia had Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Yak, Klef, Nurse, Drai and Connor and still finished second last. To say they had equal ability to improve the squad is stupid.

If Mact had made any big move at the time he would have been doing just what Shero did on the Devils. Fill one void, while creating another.

Mact had Hall, Nuge, Ebs and Yak.

Chia had Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Yak, Klef, Nurse, Drai and Connor and still finished second last. To say they had equal ability to improve the squad is stupid.
- ghostofRC

This is exactly what would have happened. At the time I remember thinking that we needed 10 assets of value and we only had Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yak, Nurse, Klef andDRAisaitl....and a 2015 1st.....pretty hard for anyone to reshape those 8 assets into the 10 core positional players we needed..
I figured,with no free agents coming the best we could do was resign Roy and hope for another couple seasons of high draft picks to start swapping players to round out the roster.
Winning the lotto was the single most fortunate event that escalated change, make us desirable for free agents and afford us the flexibility to initiate said changes. If I knew that
Im sure MacT did as well.

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