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- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I'm confused as to why people think Sheary will get less than Doums...
- MattStrat

Because they aren't planning on buying out any UFA years.

EDIT though mayne Sheary still gets 4M. I don't think he will with lack of a track record.

Because they aren't planning on buying out any UFA years.

EDIT though mayne Sheary still gets 4M. I don't think he will with lack of a track record.
- Tojo.

I understand that but even still all of Sheary's production and stats are leaps and bounds ahead of Doums.

Sheary is a 5+ mill winger according to his stats (i know his arbitration ask was lower)....and I dont think the fact that he was scratched a game or two (then came back and produced) in the playoffs is going to be a factor. It's the regular season that gets looked at. There have been plenty of players that are reg season stars but post season busts in the history of the game, however, they've always been paid big bucks because of the reg season.

I'll be very surprised if Sheary is less than 4...

I understand that but even still all of Sheary's production and stats are leaps and bounds ahead of Doums.

Sheary is a 5+ mill winger according to his stats (i know his arbitration ask was lower)....and I dont think the fact that he was scratched a game or two (then came back and produced) in the playoffs is going to be a factor. It's the regular season that gets looked at. There have been plenty of players that are reg season stars but post season busts in the history of the game, however, they've always been paid big bucks because of the reg season.

I'll be very surprised if Sheary is less than 4...
- MattStrat

Did they actually come out with the numbers yet? I haven't seen that anywhere.

With regards to Neal I remember a Kunitz-Crosby-Neal line, when Malkin was out for a bit, being super dominate.

Kessel has very rarely been paired with Crosby but when he has Ive thought they've looked good. See: Sullivan's double shift of Crosby to be with Kessel vs Caps game 2 1-1 game in the second period. Crosby makes one of the best plays of the playoffs to gain the zone and then feeds it to a streaking Kessel on his right wing. Kessel buries it top shelf on Holtby. They would be very effective if they stayed together but theres no need of it.

For all these mentions of "failed" wingers why doesnt anyone ever mention the wingers he's elevated/made better? Dupuis, Armstrong, Kunitz, Malone, (ageing) Recchi, etc
- MattStrat

Sid has played with over 70 different line-mates. Some have sucked regardless and some have played better anywhere BUT with Crosby, then there's the few that I can count on two hands that have worked well enough to stay on that line. The point is, if you have a player(s) that have chemistry with him, it's better to pay them an play them then to look elsewhere to save a million dollars. I would trade other wingers on the team before trading Sid's wingers.

Crosby is not the kind of player who generally makes anyone who plays with him better. He's not Mario. Sid needs a certain kind of player who can read him and anticipate properly. Regardless of talent and skill-set, getting a winger who can work well with Crosby isn't as simple as go out there and do what he wants you to.

poop, when they got Kessel, for all intents and purposes that should have been a slam dunk...perfect winger for Crosby I like most people thought. I wanted it to happen before he even went to Toronto, but nope, nothing happening there. I thought Parise would have been a good fit and for all I know, if he played for the Pens that might not have not worked either and the investment needed to land him would have been a bust. As far as easy to play with Centers on this team, Malkin is probably the most Mario like and the best fit for pretty much any winger more than Sid is. Heck, he even gets Phil to produce (sometimes).

Sid has played with over 70 different line-mates. Some have sucked regardless and some have played better anywhere BUT with Crosby, then there's the few that I can count on two hands that have worked well enough to stay on that line. The point is, if you have a player(s) that have chemistry with him, it's better to pay them an play them then to look elsewhere to save a million dollars. I would trade other wingers on the team before trading Sid's wingers.

Crosby is not the kind of player who generally makes anyone who plays with him better. He's not Mario. Sid needs a certain kind of player who can read him and anticipate properly. Regardless of talent and skill-set, getting a winger who can work well with Crosby isn't as simple as go out there and do what he wants you to.

poop, when they got Kessel, for all intents and purposes that should have been a slam dunk...perfect winger for Crosby I like most people thought. I wanted it to happen before he even went to Toronto, but nope, nothing happening there. I thoughtH Parise would have been a good fit and for all I know, if he played for the Pens that might not have not worked either and the investment needed to land him would have been a bust. As far as easy to play with Centers on this team, Malkin is probably the most Mario like and the best fit for pretty much any winger more than Sid is. Heck, he even gets Phil to produce (sometimes).
- NJPensfan

Are we sure Sheary is Sid's RW? Hornqvist played a lot on Sid's RW. Rust played with Sid, and Sprong (who might get a full time chance this year) has played with Sid. We do already have options that can work with Sid. I understand Horny is older and Sprong is young, but Rust has shown some ability to close with Sid in big games!

Bottom line is, the Pens need a 3C. You have to trade away someone to get and fit a decent 3C into this team.

Did they actually come out with the numbers yet? I haven't seen that anywhere.
- j.boyd919

They usually come out a day before, though I thought I saw he had the same ask as Dumoulin somewhere at 4.35M (which everyone freaked over).

I understand that but even still all of Sheary's production and stats are leaps and bounds ahead of Doums.

Sheary is a 5+ mill winger according to his stats (i know his arbitration ask was lower)....and I dont think the fact that he was scratched a game or two (then came back and produced) in the playoffs is going to be a factor. It's the regular season that gets looked at. There have been plenty of players that are reg season stars but post season busts in the history of the game, however, they've always been paid big bucks because of the reg season.

I'll be very surprised if Sheary is less than 4...
- MattStrat

Had he stayed healthy and kept producing at the same rate I could see 5M. I just look at the raw totals and the lack of supporting seasons backing it up and think he ends up around 3.5, though 4 wouldn't shock me. If they were talking long-term deal with Sheary, 4M would be the floor and probably higher. Might be wrong, but thats my thinking. Dumoulin at 4M x 6 is what I thought he'd get, so I was close there.

Did they actually come out with the numbers yet? I haven't seen that anywhere.
- j.boyd919

I think I may of mixed up that with Doums...my bad.

Had he stayed healthy and kept producing at the same rate I could see 5M. I just look at the raw totals and the lack of supporting seasons backing it up and think he ends up around 3.5, though 4 wouldn't shock me. If they were talking long-term deal with Sheary, 4M would be the floor and probably higher. Might be wrong, but thats my thinking. Dumoulin at 4M x 6 is what I thought he'd get, so I was close there.
- Tojo.

Here's to hoping you're accurate once again.

Sid has played with over 70 different line-mates. Some have sucked regardless and some have played better anywhere BUT with Crosby, then there's the few that I can count on two hands that have worked well enough to stay on that line. The point is, if you have a player(s) that have chemistry with him, it's better to pay them an play them then to look elsewhere to save a million dollars. I would trade other wingers on the team before trading Sid's wingers.

Crosby is not the kind of player who generally makes anyone who plays with him better. He's not Mario. Sid needs a certain kind of player who can read him and anticipate properly. Regardless of talent and skill-set, getting a winger who can work well with Crosby isn't as simple as go out there and do what he wants you to.

poop, when they got Kessel, for all intents and purposes that should have been a slam dunk...perfect winger for Crosby I like most people thought. I wanted it to happen before he even went to Toronto, but nope, nothing happening there. I thought Parise would have been a good fit and for all I know, if he played for the Pens that might not have not worked either and the investment needed to land him would have been a bust. As far as easy to play with Centers on this team, Malkin is probably the most Mario like and the best fit for pretty much any winger more than Sid is. Heck, he even gets Phil to produce (sometimes).
- NJPensfan

I kinda got sick of that narrative over the years. I truly believe has made far more players better than not...furthermore on this, if Bylsma wasn't stubborn or if Johnston wasnt so clueless some of the guys he only had a few game shake with probably would of developed better chemistry with him too...

Bennett, Iggy, and the guy we traded from Edmonton... dang... what's his name... we traded him to Anaheim for Hagelin...they all didn't do well with Sid.
- hipcheck_goalie

Satan, Sykora, Fedotenko, Jokinen, Malone and some others. I could go deeper, but it's unfair to really tap into his first two years when he was finding his ground. But all those guys were first tried with Sid then funneled their way down to Geno where those guys found success.

I'm not trying to say Sid doesn't make players around him better, but he certainly needs a mold of specific players.