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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jul 23 @ 12:00 AM ET
As for last resort then someone else likely bumped him. Don't see that happening.

Rodin will play or the press box. Reinjured then idc.

Boeser is sure as it gets on our team

Slump or not its a leap that he would sulk.
He is a driven player so no worries here about his attitude.

- Nighthawk


at the start of the season, no other team is going to get giddy over Chaput, Biega or Megna if they are sent down.

can't remember who said it, quality over quantity. JB can't be hand wringing over fringe NHLers on a bottom feeder.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 23 @ 12:07 AM ET
at the start of the season, no other team is going to get giddy over Chaput, Biega or Megna if they are sent down.

can't remember who said it, quality over quantity. JB can't be hand wringing over fringe NHLers on a bottom feeder.

- hillbillydeluxe


They r all AHLers or temp subs nothing more lol
Takes time to build a prospect pool from nothing & so far so good.
Too bad IMO we have too many prospect wingers & C's r a few tears down the road. EP & Gaudette do look very promising but can never have enough.
D is still in need of a lot more talent & elite top priority.
Plenty of wing competition is good but no game breakers to speak of yet.
Dahlen & JV i have as difference makers maybe, the rest is wait n see.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 23 @ 12:18 AM ET
at the start of the season, no other team is going to get giddy over Chaput, Biega or Megna if they are sent down.

can't remember who said it, quality over quantity. JB can't be hand wringing over fringe NHLers on a bottom feeder.

- hillbillydeluxe


Probably not, but if you lose them, then you're stuck for even replacement level players to play on the roster. That's not ideal when you're trying to entertain at the same time as you're expecting to lose a lot of games. Chaput, Biega and Megna might be fringe NHLers, but at least they have played games and were somewhat effective in the NHL. Lose them over waivers and now you're stripping Utica to the point where like last year, they're stripping Kalamazoo just to manage to field a full roster, let alone a competitive one.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 23 @ 12:46 AM ET
Probably not, but if you lose them, then you're stuck for even replacement level players to play on the roster. That's not ideal when you're trying to entertain at the same time as you're expecting to lose a lot of games. Chaput, Biega and Megna might be fringe NHLers, but at least they have played games and were somewhat effective in the NHL. Lose them over waivers and now you're stripping Utica to the point where like last year, they're stripping Kalamazoo just to manage to field a full roster, let alone a competitive one.
- DariusKnight



Agree we need depth through out the organization.
Its a healthy way to be.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 23 @ 1:00 AM ET
Agree we need depth through out the organization.
Its a healthy way to be.

- Nighthawk


That's how you build a potential Cup winning team, one that can contend for years like a Chicago or Pittsburg. You stuff your ECHL and AHL teams with talent and depth so that if you get a rash of injuries, you aren't forcing your farm teams to have to rely on loans from other teams just to field a competitive roster. Ideally you want your best prospects to play 1-2 years in the AHL just to find their feet and develop their overall games so that when they step into the NHL, they're used to the travel and the grind of an 82 game (plus playoffs) schedule.

Only players who are elite or franchise level when drafted should be on the NHL team immediately. Everyone else should be sent back to junior until they're 20 and then to play at least a few months in the AHL, if close to NHL-ready, to a year or 2 if not. Any player who hasn't managed to earn a spot on the NHL roster by the end of their ELC are replacement level or AHL level and therefore should stay at that level unless they bloom later on. That's how we ended up with our 2011 core, with most of our core (save for the Sedins) having all played in Manitoba until AV brought them up with him when he took over as HC.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jul 23 @ 1:00 AM ET
Merkley has been great for the Rockets.
- thundachunk

the rockets always seem to find or get handed to them good prospects, cougars end up with average players but no stars.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 23 @ 1:17 AM ET
the rockets always seem to find or get handed to them good prospects, cougars end up with average players but no stars.
- Bettmanhatesus


The Rockets have always been well managed and have excellent ownership. It helps that they go out of their way to make sure the players are treated well. I remember talking to a parent of one of the Rockets at a game and she told me that her son had a problem with his host family. The second he complained, the team investigated, then moved him, all within 24 hours of him speaking up and blacklisted the family from hosting players ever again. Most CHL teams rarely have that luxury seeing as they usually don't have the money/good management to be able to be that proactive in making sure their players are well treated. I know the Blazers and the Giants are run the same way.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 23 @ 2:48 AM ET
23 man roster. U not I said TG does demoting.
TG does not monitor Utica. JB does his job & TG his.
Don't even suggest a coach is the boss over a GM.

- Nighthawk

I like your style
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 23 @ 7:47 AM ET
It should be about not rushing the young players either. Even if they have a good camp, they can still go down for a while. Nothing wrong with that. Van still isn't in win mode. They are in plan for the future.
- manvanfan


This all very true & only an exceptional camp & preseason should change that.
In the case of OJ its another matter IMO. If he is physically ready then fine.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 23 @ 7:52 AM ET
I like your style
- Makita


Thx i didn't know i had style 😂
Chalk it up as a fluke.😜
I don't want to be jinxed😂😂
Was just being frank & honest lol
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 23 @ 9:41 AM ET
This all very true & only an exceptional camp & preseason should change that.
In the case of OJ its another matter IMO. If he is physically ready then fine.

- Nighthawk

I saw Boeser play in WPG at the end of the year. He was a very mature, talented hockey player. With the players that currently listed on the roster. He is one of the better ones. It will be very hard for him to not win a opening night roster spot.

D does take longer but with this roster.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 9:58 AM ET
Anyone not thinking Boeser will be on Canucks is wrong. They have an old team that is destined to be bottom 5. They need to sell this to the fans and Boeser is the one bright spot this year.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 10:01 AM ET
Arvidsson signs 7 years at 4.25 per . Nice deal. 31 goals 62 points. Hear that BO?
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 23 @ 10:03 AM ET
Arvidsson signs 7 years at 4.25 per . Nice deal. 31 goals 62 points. Hear that BO?
- VANTEL

DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 23 @ 10:04 AM ET
Anyone not thinking Boeser will be on Canucks is wrong. They have an old team that is destined to be bottom 5. They need to sell this to the fans and Boeser is the one bright spot this year.
- VANTEL


The other side to that argument is, if Boeser flops spectacularily, now you have nothing to be excited about. EP, OJ, are both looked at as potential busts and Benning loses his job which throws the entire team into disarray as the new GM tries to figure out how to fix the mess. Him playing in Utica isn't going to hurt the entertainment value and might do him a lot of good getting top 3 minutes and not having to deal with all the pressure of being the next big goal scorer on the team. If you're going to lose badly anyways, why have your best prospects playing in the NHL on a old team that isn't going anywhere when they could play on a super competitive AHL team and not have to deal with the media and fan insanity constantly.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 23 @ 10:05 AM ET
Anyone not thinking Boeser will be on Canucks is wrong. They have an old team that is destined to be bottom 5. They need to sell this to the fans and Boeser is the one bright spot this year.
- VANTEL

Kid has a very mature game, and, he scores goals.....providing he has a good camp he's as good as on the team. One area for improvement is his skating though!
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 23 @ 10:06 AM ET
The other side to that argument is, if Boeser flops spectacularily, now you have nothing to be excited about. EP, OJ, are both looked at as potential busts and Benning loses his job which throws the entire team into disarray as the new GM tries to figure out how to fix the mess. Him playing in Utica isn't going to hurt the entertainment value and might do him a lot of good getting top 3 minutes and not having to deal with all the pressure of being the next big goal scorer on the team. If you're going to lose badly anyways, why have your best prospects playing in the NHL on a old team that isn't going anywhere when they could play on a super competitive AHL team and not have to deal with the media and fan insanity constantly.
- DariusKnight

As Vantel mentioned, fan base won't allow it. Exactly why Van has the worst fans.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 10:08 AM ET
Kid has a very mature game, and, he scores goals.....providing he has a good camp he's as good as on the team. One area for improvement is his skating though!
- LeftCoaster

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 10:12 AM ET
The other side to that argument is, if Boeser flops spectacularily, now you have nothing to be excited about. EP, OJ, are both looked at as potential busts and Benning loses his job which throws the entire team into disarray as the new GM tries to figure out how to fix the mess. Him playing in Utica isn't going to hurt the entertainment value and might do him a lot of good getting top 3 minutes and not having to deal with all the pressure of being the next big goal scorer on the team. If you're going to lose badly anyways, why have your best prospects playing in the NHL on a old team that isn't going anywhere when they could play on a super competitive AHL team and not have to deal with the media and fan insanity constantly.
- DariusKnight


I think there is plenty to get excited about . I think we are building one of the stronger prospect pools in the league. You got to let some of them play when they are ready.

I agree with Botchford last year about Stecher . The kid was one of the best at camp and they gave the job to Nilsson. HUGE mistake .
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 23 @ 10:32 AM ET
I think there is plenty to get excited about . I think we are building one of the stronger prospect pools in the league. You got to let some of them play when they are ready.

I agree with Botchford last year about Stecher . The kid was one of the best at camp and they gave the job to Nilsson. HUGE mistake .

- VANTEL


There's ready, and then there's NHL-ready, again I think Boeser makes it because he's just too talented not to. I just think with how bad we're going to be, having him play up here just to entertain is the wrong way to go. Was it a huge mistake? It didn't hurt Stetcher in the least did it? There's a reason you have a farm team, so that you can protect your best prospects from having to learn the game in the NHL where making mistakes or lower than expected production (due to having no real playmakers save for Old Man Henrik or Limp Wristed Daniel) could hurt their confidence going forwards.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jul 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
Anyone not thinking Boeser will be on Canucks is wrong. They have an old team that is destined to be bottom 5. They need to sell this to the fans and Boeser is the one bright spot this year.
- VANTEL


This can't be argued.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jul 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
This can't be argued.
- VanHockeyGuy

24th.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 10:45 AM ET
There's ready, and then there's NHL-ready, again I think Boeser makes it because he's just too talented not to. I just think with how bad we're going to be, having him play up here just to entertain is the wrong way to go. Was it a huge mistake? It didn't hurt Stetcher in the least did it? There's a reason you have a farm team, so that you can protect your best prospects from having to learn the game in the NHL where making mistakes or lower than expected production (due to having no real playmakers save for Old Man Henrik or Limp Wristed Daniel) could hurt their confidence going forwards.
- DariusKnight



It is all about entertain . If you have a crap product no one comes. Look at the CFL . The fact that they still have Old Man Henrik an Limp Wristed Daniel is a problem they themselves created. They have had years to change things up but hung on and hung on. That is why extending those two shows the lack of creativity on this club. Taking on Eriksson to help the twins stay relevant was so dumb.

If you don't entertain you become the USFL. Your product will die. I really have zero interest in watching Rodin Megna Chaput Gaunce Dorsett Daniel Henrik or Loui this year , Absolute zero interest. They will lose fans if they address their issues.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jul 23 @ 10:51 AM ET
It is all about entertain . If you have a crap product no one comes. Look at the CFL . The fact that they still have Old Man Henrik an Limp Wristed Daniel is a problem they themselves created. They have had years to change things up but hung on and hung on. That is why extending those two shows the lack of creativity on this club. Taking on Eriksson to help the twins stay relevant was so dumb.

If you don't entertain you become the USFL. Your product will die. I really have zero interest in watching Rodin Megna Chaput Gaunce Dorsett Daniel Henrik or Loui this year , Absolute zero interest. They will lose fans if they address their issues.

- VANTEL


I'm not looking for results this season, for the games I do watch i'll focus on the youth.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 10:54 AM ET
I'm not looking for results this season, for the games I do watch i'll focus on the youth.
- VanHockeyGuy


As will I
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