Stay on your own site Jhawk59 Your one reason I stopped following the Hawks as there are so many misinformed people like you

Sheary is much better than Spooner. Gets most of his points from 5v5 play and isn't a possession anchor. If we trade Sheary it better be for a hell of a lot more than Ryan (frank)ing Spooner.
- Victoro311

Hang on to Sheary, to me he is like a young Kunitz whereas Spooner is kinda soft and reminds me of Ryan Strome with offensive talent but too soft to get it done.

Fair enough. I just don't see any way Vegas takes a pick and retained salary for a player that they just picked up in the expansion draft. I think they'd rather take the shot at "rehabilitating" him instead. I think he CAN put up double digit goals, but I don't think he will in Vegas.
- jmatchett383

Vegas needs to take be above cap floor. He's a fine rehabilitation job for them. If he puts up 12 goals and 25 assists next year they can trade him for a 2nd round pick.

In our situation it would be idiotic to take on a declining player at that price point.

Basically I think we just established eakin makes no sense for either team to do a deal.

Right team, wrong center. I think Karlsson, Lindberg, or Haula would be of much more interest than Eakin. Of course, they would probably cost more to acquire, but so be it.

Vegas needs to take be above cap floor. He's a fine rehabilitation job for them. If he puts up 12 goals and 25 assists next year they can trade him for a 2nd round pick.

In our situation it would be idiotic to take on a declining player at that price point.

Basically I think we just established eakin makes no sense for either team to do a deal.
- sditulli

Yeah, I don't see a deal. LV won't trade him for dead money and low picks, and Pittsburgh doesn't want to take a gamble while they're still a contender. I think 12/25/37 is attainable, but not with that LV roster. He'll probably be their 3C and have to take a one-year "prove it" deal when his contract expires.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again....I'd like Cody Eakin as a Penguin. Im going strictly from eye tests. I think he'd be a good fit. I take those advanced stats with grain of salt, especially the defensive ones, because of just how poorly the Stars were defensively the past few years, especially last year.

What were his quality of wingers throughout last year?

Ive always liked his game when I've watched him and numerous times watching him I thought to myself I'd like to have him on the Pens.

His cap hit is a little high though.

EDIT: He's only 26 as well...he could get better.

Vegas needs to take be above cap floor. He's a fine rehabilitation job for them. If he puts up 12 goals and 25 assists next year they can trade him for a 2nd round pick.

In our situation it would be idiotic to take on a declining player at that price point.

Basically I think we just established eakin makes no sense for either team to do a deal.
- sditulli

That whole team declined in a matter of two years. They were expected to be much more of a force last year.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again....I'd like Cody Eakin as a Penguin. Im going strictly from eye tests. I think he'd be a good fit. I take those advanced stats with grain of salt, especially the defensive ones, because of just how poorly the Stars were defensively the past few years, especially last year.

What were his quality of wingers throughout last year?

Ive always liked his game when I've watched him and numerous times watching him I thought to myself I'd like to have him on the Pens.

His cap hit is a little high though.

EDIT: He's only 26 as well...he could get better.
- MattStrat

Hey, if you can't provide charts and graphs to prove your point, you're in the wrong blog. Don't you know that hockey games are played on Excel spreadsheets?

Hey, if you can't provide charts and graphs to prove your point, you're in the wrong blog. Don't you know that hockey games are played on Excel spreadsheets?
- jmatchett383

Im familiar with this place...whatever. He's young and plays hungry. I like him.

That whole team declined in a matter of two years. They were expected to be much more of a force last year.
- MattStrat

I get you like him as a player.....but he has a 3 year contract at 3.875 per year. Maybe your right and he will bounce back....but then he is only fairly paid. If he doesn't bounce back he's overpaid by 2.5 million for the next 3 years.

The contract just isn't something we can take on. And as we talked about above vegas isn't a team looking to take on dead money.

FWIW a lot of guys are talking about walking away from sheary if his contract comes in over 4/year...so any talk of taking on a guy with 3 years remaining at that price coming off an awful year makes no sense.

I get you like him as a player.....but he has a 3 year contract at 3.875 per year. Maybe your right and he will bounce back....but then he is only fairly paid. If he doesn't bounce back he's overpaid by 2.5 million for the next 3 years.

The contract just isn't something we can take on. And as we talked about above vegas isn't a team looking to take on dead money.

FWIW a lot of guys are talking about walking away from sheary if his contract comes in over 4/year...so any talk of taking on a guy with 3 years remaining at that price coming off an awful year makes no sense.
- sditulli

Yes...this is why I said his cap hit is too high.

He could totally work out...thats always a possibility too...

Seems to me lots of these options are not good ones or some players aren't "available".

My list of 5 options stays the same...
1) Nazem Kadri (talked about last post)
2) Eric Staal (been talked about but apparently isnt available, not sure who knows that but im 90% sure if you offered sheary and guentzel youd find out he is available!) Obviously massive overpayment but I think you get the point... hes available for the right deal.
3) Sam Bennett
4) Tomas Hertl
5) Tyler Bozak (not sure who knows if hes 100% available either? Maybe the leafs want an overpayment for him to? Not my favorite option as age, contract, and new contact length and amount would push me away from this.

Id rather overpay a little to pry someone away who fits the system and is a quality player then pay market value for someone who doesnt fit for whatever reason. Be it age, contract, declining abilities , cap hit, etc... I DO NOT think overpaying a little is a bad thing like I said before because at some time you will need to give Sprong and Aston-Reece a chance and not on the 4th line as that usually ends badly especially with a player with the skills of Sprong. (shooter/scorer)

Seems to me lots of these options are not good ones or some players aren't "available".

My list of 5 options stays the same...
1) Nazem Kadri (talked about last post)
2) Eric Staal (been talked about but apparently isnt available, not sure who knows that but im 90% sure if you offered sheary and guentzel youd find out he is available!) Obviously massive overpayment but I think you get the point... hes available for the right deal.
3) Sam Bennett
4) Tomas Hertl
5) Tyler Bozak (not sure who knows if hes 100% available either? Maybe the leafs want an overpayment for him to? Not my favorite option as age, contract, and new contact length and amount would push me away from this.

Id rather overpay a little to pry someone away who fits the system and is a quality player then pay market value for someone who doesnt fit for whatever reason. Be it age, contract, declining abilities , cap hit, etc... I DO NOT think overpaying a little is a bad thing like I said before because at some time you will need to give Sprong and Aston-Reece a chance and not on the 4th line as that usually ends badly especially with a player with the skills of Sprong. (shooter/scorer)
- pens4life-66

1) Kadri not available
2)Staal probably not available. Best option. But cost would be ridiculous to pry him away from a contender who needs him. Think sprong + maatta + 1st
3) Bennett would be nice but pricey probably sprong + maatta except they don't need defenseman. Another team trying to make playoffs/contend
4) Hertl - would be nice, but he's a guy I would think san jose wants to build around long term
5) bozak would be only realistic option on this list. Not sure what we have to offer to make it worth. They don't need wings and he's not worth maatta.

Honestly two perfect centers were trading this year at reasonable prices. Brayden schenn and johannson were perfect for our 3c. But the Flyers and the capitals (capitals certainly) wouldn't do a deal with us.

Yes...this is why I said his cap hit is too high.

He could totally work out...thats always a possibility too...
- MattStrat

Theres no way to make the cap work. Vegas doesn't want dead cap unless we would give them a 1st and I don't think eakin is worth a 1st.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again....I'd like Cody Eakin as a Penguin. Im going strictly from eye tests. I think he'd be a good fit. I take those advanced stats with grain of salt, especially the defensive ones, because of just how poorly the Stars were defensively the past few years, especially last year.

What were his quality of wingers throughout last year?

Ive always liked his game when I've watched him and numerous times watching him I thought to myself I'd like to have him on the Pens.

His cap hit is a little high though.

EDIT: He's only 26 as well...he could get better.
- MattStrat

I can't speak for last year, but I'm pretty sure the year before he got a fair amount of time with Seguin and Benn. That would be something good to know. If those are his numbers with time between those two, you can't expect him to put up good numbers on a 3rd line where he might have Kessel.

I think the Lidstrom shot was going wide.

Yeah, I said it.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again....I'd like Cody Eakin as a Penguin. Im going strictly from eye tests. I think he'd be a good fit. I take those advanced stats with grain of salt, especially the defensive ones, because of just how poorly the Stars were defensively the past few years, especially last year.

What were his quality of wingers throughout last year?

Ive always liked his game when I've watched him and numerous times watching him I thought to myself I'd like to have him on the Pens.

His cap hit is a little high though.

EDIT: He's only 26 as well...he could get better.
- MattStrat

Top 3 linemates are Jamie Benn, Patrick Eaves, and Tyler Seguin

He was solid with Benn and Eaves, REALLY good with Benn and Seguin (who wouldn't be.) When his QoT was good, he had solid numbers. They went down playing with Hemksy, Shore, Korpikoski, etc.

Top 3 linemates are Jamie Benn, Patrick Eaves, and Tyler Seguin

He was solid with Benn and Eaves, REALLY good with Benn and Seguin (who wouldn't be.) When his QoT was good, he had solid numbers. They went down playing with Hemksy, Shore, Korpikoski, etc.
- j.boyd919

But with those linemates, I assume he's facing the opposition's best D. As a 3C, he'd see much more favorable match-ups.

1) Kadri not available
2)Staal probably not available. Best option. But cost would be ridiculous to pry him away from a contender who needs him. Think sprong + maatta + 1st
3) Bennett would be nice but pricey probably sprong + maatta except they don't need defenseman. Another team trying to make playoffs/contend
4) Hertl - would be nice, but he's a guy I would think san jose wants to build around long term
5) bozak would be only realistic option on this list. Not sure what we have to offer to make it worth. They don't need wings and he's not worth maatta.

Honestly two perfect centers were trading this year at reasonable prices. Brayden schenn and johannson were perfect for our 3c. But the Flyers and the capitals (capitals certainly) wouldn't do a deal with us.
- sditulli

Im pretty sure before Schenn got traded you would have said he wasnt available either... Because the "insiders" sure didnt sound like they seen it coming or knew about it and nobody reported about it early until it was almost confirmed... He also didnt go for much at all considering it was Lehtera and a 1st... and Sprong, Maatta and a 1st for a 32year old eric Staal but it only takes a very bad year from Lehtera and a 1st to get a 25 year old 55-60 point scorer in Brayden Schenn??? That doesnt near add up....

1) Kadri not available
2)Staal probably not available. Best option. But cost would be ridiculous to pry him away from a contender who needs him. Think sprong + maatta + 1st
3) Bennett would be nice but pricey probably sprong + maatta except they don't need defenseman. Another team trying to make playoffs/contend
4) Hertl - would be nice, but he's a guy I would think san jose wants to build around long term
5) bozak would be only realistic option on this list. Not sure what we have to offer to make it worth. They don't need wings and he's not worth maatta.

Honestly two perfect centers were trading this year at reasonable prices. Brayden schenn and johannson were perfect for our 3c. But the Flyers and the capitals (capitals certainly) wouldn't do a deal with us.
- sditulli

Jersey might, though. They will be cellar dwellers with or without Johansson the next two seasons, and they have an immense need for defense. And...Shero drafted Maatta.

But with those linemates, I assume he's facing the opposition's best D. As a 3C, he'd see much more favorable match-ups.
- jmatchett383

If we are going to pay eakin 3 years at 3.9 per then why didn't we just sign bonino who also fills the pk role 4 years 16.4. Maybe we could have even of gotten him to sign at a discount to that.

blazing onto the scene with an awesome 2012-13

I'd say he had an average season in 2012-2013 at best, on par with what he has done over the next few years. More assists if you translate that over an 82 game season but keep in mind that a lot of players had a great lockout shortened season (more than 1p/g) and that very few of those could keep that up over an 82 game season.

If we are going to pay eakin 3 years at 3.9 per then why didn't we just sign bonino who also fills the pk role 4 years 16.4. Maybe we could have even of gotten him to sign at a discount to that.
- sditulli

I can't answer this, because it's what I would have done.

Jersey might, though. They will be cellar dwellers with or without Johansson the next two seasons, and they have an immense need for defense. And...Shero drafted Maatta.
- T-Train

That is true. Though I think they want to make a run at the playoffs this year. They gave up a 2nd and 3rd. I'd assume we would have to offer up a 1st and 2nd which wouldn't be a terrible price to pay. But we should have made that move at this years draft instead of getting reeves. Offered up a 1st and next years 3rd. Then found another way to add grit.

1) Kadri not available
2)Staal probably not available. Best option. But cost would be ridiculous to pry him away from a contender who needs him. Think sprong + maatta + 1st
3) Bennett would be nice but pricey probably sprong + maatta except they don't need defenseman. Another team trying to make playoffs/contend
4) Hertl - would be nice, but he's a guy I would think san jose wants to build around long term
5) bozak would be only realistic option on this list. Not sure what we have to offer to make it worth. They don't need wings and he's not worth maatta.

Honestly two perfect centers were trading this year at reasonable prices. Brayden schenn and johannson were perfect for our 3c. But the Flyers and the capitals (capitals certainly) wouldn't do a deal with us.
- sditulli

Trust me, you wouldn't want Braydon Schenn as your 3C.