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winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 19 @ 7:41 PM ET
seems perfect for vegas
- Tumbleweed



Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Jul 19 @ 7:43 PM ET
Jagr is still better than:

Martin - Brown - Bozak - JVR - Marleau - Moore - Kapanen - Leivo - Komarov

- MaximusAurelius

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 19 @ 7:44 PM ET

- MaximusAurelius

He's even trying to disguise himeself as Polak in hopes of fooling a team into signing him
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 19 @ 7:46 PM ET

- Bonerfide69

MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 19 @ 7:46 PM ET
He's even trying to disguise himeself as Polak in hopes of fooling a team into signing him
- Arctic_AARDVARK


now wouldn't it be fun if Leafs actually signed Jagr on a 1-year deal
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 19 @ 7:49 PM ET
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Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 19 @ 7:50 PM ET

- winsix



justmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Jul 19 @ 7:58 PM ET
Thought you might want Corrado back in your lineup!
- so_buzz11



Press box?
pens4life-66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: BC
Joined: 10.01.2013

Jul 19 @ 8:00 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:03 PM ET
now wouldn't it be fun if Leafs actually signed Jagr on a 1-year deal
- MaximusAurelius

Yeah.. a real barrel of monkeys...
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:06 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
- pens4life-66

(frank) off!

You guys won back to back cups without your best defenseman. Just be happy with what you have.

Want Kadri??? Fine, give us Crosby, Malkin, Letang, 2 1sts, Murray, and Kessel..
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 19 @ 8:08 PM ET

- winsix



Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jul 19 @ 8:15 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
- pens4life-66



Malkin for Martin
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jul 19 @ 8:20 PM ET
There is no stress or need to upgrade the D immediately. I do agree that the Leafs are a contender(not favorite, but they could get out of the Atlantic and face WAS/PIT in the conference finals). There is no need to hurry or make rash decisions.

Rielly(who I love) had an objectively bad year. I expect better and so does everyone else including Babs and Rielly. Will he be Bobby? Will he be Niklas? Will he be Karlsson? No (frank)ing way. But he can be a legit top pairing.

Gardiner is fantastic and has seriously limited his "disgraceful goal costing errors" and he'll probably continue to get better on that decision making front. Zaitsev is legit.

If the Leafs enter this season with their current roster nobody will be bragging about their blueline, but people need to stop talking like they have a garbage blue line. They don't. Let's see what happens.

Also, Carrick. He was actually quite good last year for a rookie and I believe he could eventually be a top 4. Or an Ian White type who was very good and could play up and down the lineup and in all situations if necessary. If Carrick is on our bottom pair and can play the PP/PK minutes when the others are tired/in the box I'd be more than happy with that.

I liked this blog. The options are reasonable and don't count us trading futures for today's version of Bobby Orr(he doesn't exist and he's not available).
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jul 19 @ 8:23 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
- pens4life-66


You have given high value to Kadri which is fair because he does have high value. I doubt the Leafs move him. He is on a ridiculous bargain of a contract and he is much younger than the centers and winger/centers you've mentioned. I'm a huge Bozak fan and believe he can be a 2nd line center for another 3-5 years but Leafs are set up the middle with 19 year old Matthews 25(?) year old Kadri and 30(?) year old Bozak. Good mix of ages and specialties.
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:24 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
- pens4life-66



Sheary:
- Inflated value while playing with Crosby
- Need larger sample size without benefit of Crosby is see if he's legit
- Small forward 5'9" 175lbs... 25yrs old

Summary: Not convinced

Maatta:
- Missed 104 games over last three season due to injury and health issues
- Hasn't come close to living up to expectations
- Needs to prove he can stay healthy
- Missed significant time in junior as well

Summary: Injuries + poopty health + 5 yrs remaining = RISK

PIT 1st:
- Likely in the 24-31 range

Summary: Meh.

vs.

Kadri:
- GREAT contract
- Perfect 2C/3C
- Has physical game, while defensive game is developing nicely
- 32G / 95 PIM last season... Only Wayne Simmonds has potted 30G with 100 PIM in last 5 yrs (by no means am I saying Kadri = Simmonds, but you see my point)
- Appears to be just hitting his stride and taking the next steps

Summary: Still has more upside entering his prime years and fits nicely into Leafs' future, while on a SWEET contract



Do better. Sorry.
Bleedz_Blue
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:24 PM ET
Got a feelin that Dermott makes the team out of camp and surprises a lot.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 19 @ 8:25 PM ET
There is no stress or need to upgrade the D immediately. I do agree that the Leafs are a contender(not favorite, but they could get out of the Atlantic and face WAS/PIT in the conference finals). There is no need to hurry or make rash decisions.

Rielly(who I love) had an objectively bad year. I expect better and so does everyone else including Babs and Rielly. Will he be Bobby? Will he be Niklas? Will he be Karlsson? No (frank)ing way. But he can be a legit top pairing.

Gardiner is fantastic and has seriously limited his "disgraceful goal costing errors" and he'll probably continue to get better on that decision making front. Zaitsev is legit.

If the Leafs enter this season with their current roster nobody will be bragging about their blueline, but people need to stop talking like they have a garbage blue line. They don't. Let's see what happens.

Also, Carrick. He was actually quite good last year for a rookie and I believe he could eventually be a top 4. Or an Ian White type who was very good and could play up and down the lineup and in all situations if necessary. If Carrick is on our bottom pair and can play the PP/PK minutes when the others are tired/in the box I'd be more than happy with that.

I liked this blog. The options are reasonable and don't count us trading futures for today's version of Bobby Orr(he doesn't exist and he's not available).

- Njuice


and Jagr
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 19 @ 8:27 PM ET


Sheary:
- Inflated value while playing with Crosby
- Need larger sample size without benefit of Crosby is see if he's legit
- Small forward 5'9" 175lbs... 25yrs old

Summary: Not convinced

Maatta:
- Missed 104 games over last three season due to injury and health issues
- Hasn't come close to living up to expectations
- Needs to prove he can stay healthy
- Missed significant time in junior as well

Summary: Injuries + poopty health + 5 yrs remaining = RISK

PIT 1st:
- Likely in the 24-31 range

Summary: Meh.

vs.

Kadri:
- GREAT contract
- Perfect 2C/3C
- Has physical game, while defensive game is developing nicely
- 32G / 95 PIM... Only Wayne Simmonds has potted 30G with 100 PIM in last 5 yrs
- Appears to be just hitting his stride and taking the next steps

Summary: Still has more upside entering his prime years and fits nicely into Leafs' future



Do better. Sorry.

- As_I_See_It



Never stops to amaze me that people bring up high penalty minutes as an 'asset' for a player.

(nothing to do with the Kadri discussion btw)
BreathLeafs2015
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 19 @ 8:28 PM ET
Leafs trade Kadri to the Penguins! Hear me out... Kadri for Maatta 22y/o, Sheary 25y/o, and 1st round pick. The leafs have Mathews, Bozak, Marner, Nylander, Marleau, Fehr, Moore, Komarov all with experience playing center. That hole easily gets filled by 1 of those players. Maatta fills in nicely with a young group with tons of room to grow, Sheary has shown he can rack up the points with a playmaker and can skate with anyone on LW or RW and a 1st can be used in a trade. (JVR or Bozak) Ive heard a couple leafs fans say Mathews, Marner and Nylander would all be better fits playing center for the team and to make them all reach there top potentials. 3 scoring centers for years to come? Lets hear some responces leafs fans!
- pens4life-66


RESPONSE:

"NO"!!'

Gas after beans
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:32 PM ET
Never stops to amaze me that people bring up high penalty minutes as an 'asset' for a player.

(nothing to do with the Kadri discussion btw)

- MaximusAurelius


It shows an aggressive and physical game. Definitely some bad penalties in there, but it also highlights grit, can play a rough game and will scrap.

It's not the best stat, but I think it tells a lot about the type of game a player plays and in Kadri's case I think it shows that he can either play a skilled game or a chippy game when needed.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 19 @ 8:37 PM ET
It shows an aggressive and physical game. Definitely some bad penalties in there, but it also highlights grit, can play a rough game and with scrap if needed.

It's not the best stat, but I think it tells a lot about the type of game a player plays and in Kadri's case I think it shows that he can either play a skilled game or a chippy game when needed.

- As_I_See_It


oh i agree and understand.
but the 95-100pims as well mean about 7-8 goals against per season directly related to these pims..
1993_Cup_Champs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Heart of Mid-western Ontario
Joined: 07.17.2006

Jul 19 @ 8:40 PM ET
Why would you even mention markov? You say he would be an option but for much less than the 6m he is asking. If he was taking less than his demand he would be a hab.
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 19 @ 8:42 PM ET
oh i agree and understand.
but the 95-100pims as well mean about 7-8 goals against per season directly related to these pims..

- MaximusAurelius


And how many goals where scored against Jagr last season because he didn't hit his man and only threw 21 HITS ALL SEASON?
BreathLeafs2015
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Oshawa, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 19 @ 8:43 PM ET
oh i agree and understand.
but the 95-100pims as well mean about 7-8 goals against per season directly related to these pims..

- MaximusAurelius



WE ARE KEEPIN KADRI!!!


Hilarious!!!! Go suck on this:
The more pim he has the more points he produces even in junior!!!

Google it!!!

We r keeping Kenny the rat linsman
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