Of course GM's will pay more for a UFA when they don't have to give up serious assets. JVR is getting into rental country, you can only get so much. You guys may as well use him & move him at the TDL, chances are you will be able to get a little more for a desperate GM on the bubble. Hamonic is signed for 3 more years at an amazing cap hit. That got the extra 2nd alone.
- Kevin R

I agree with all u said. A rental this early on is hard to move. Teams r forming up & moving D is a difficult proposition. The TDL is the more likely time but at that point the Leafs will be hard pressed to trade away pieces when prolly in a PO drive. In general wingers r not as valuable a commodity & GM's wait til the offseason.


As for LL saying he is ok with his D what other choice does he have?
I don't believe for a moment that is true.

"For 99% of teams, renting a player is smarter than owning him."
- James Tanner

Of course GM's will pay more for a UFA when they don't have to give up serious assets. JVR is getting into rental country, you can only get so much. You guys may as well use him & move him at the TDL, chances are you will be able to get a little more for a desperate GM on the bubble. Hamonic is signed for 3 more years at an amazing cap hit. That got the extra 2nd alone.
- Kevin R

I think JVR has been in rental country for some time. In fact the reason Duchene is so hard to move is that in reality, he is a rental - two years rather than one, that will be looking to hit the jackpot when his current deal is up. I agree that moving him at the trade deadline will net a bigger haul, particularly if there are two or more dance partners. A late first rounder plus a mid range prospect would be reasonable. The only way to increase his value (and this would be difficult if not nearly impossible to accomplish) would be to sign him to a reasonable 4-5 year deal and trade him, or allow the team he would be traded to to negotiate a deal to get extra value.

"For 99% of teams, renting a player is smarter than owning him."
- James Tanner
- Atomic Wedgie

What a Tanner (ridiculous) thing to say.

can only have one player in your top 6 that doesn't backcheck if you want to win the cup.
leafs have three in bozak, jvr, nylander.
nylander will stay - other two have to go then.

can only have one player in your top 6 that doesn't backcheck if you want to win the cup.
leafs have three in bozak, jvr, nylander.
nylander will stay - other two have to go then.
- MaximusAurelius

Actuallly, the notion of the top six was something that Burkie coined when he was here. I'm not a real fan of the phrase, especially when discussing the current Leafs. They have three legitimate scoring lines. Who's the third line centre in your opinion? Is it Kadri or Bozak?

Actuallly, the notion of the top six was something that Burkie coined when he was here. I'm not a real fan of the phrase, especially when discussing the current Leafs. They have three legitimate scoring lines. Who's the third line centre in your opinion? Is it Kadri or Bozak?
- winsix

I view the "third line" as the checking line, so that will be Kadri. Bozak is, however, the third best centre, PLUS the Kadri line played more than the Bozak line, so....(frank) it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actuallly, the notion of the top six was something that Burkie coined when he was here. I'm not a real fan of the phrase, especially when discussing the current Leafs. They have three legitimate scoring lines. Who's the third line centre in your opinion? Is it Kadri or Bozak?
- winsix

Kadri.

Kadri.
- MaximusAurelius

But remember - you said Bozak was in the top six and did not backcheck, if Kadri is 2C - then.....

Again, top six is bullsh!t with the Leafs,

I view the "third line" as the checking line, so that will be Kadri. Bozak is, however, the third best centre, PLUS the Kadri line played more than the Bozak line, so....(frank) it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Steven_Seagull

Exactly!

But remember - you said Bozak was in the top six and did not backcheck, if Kadri is 2C - then.....

Again, top six is bullsh!t with the Leafs,
- winsix

you asked me who was 3rd line c

Duh. Anybody who is older than 26 years of age was born before the Sens existed. Many are Leaf and Canadiens fans. Some like me have made a conscious decision to support the Sens even though I grew up a Leaf fan. But you will not find many Leaf fans among the under 25 crowd. The Sens made huge progress in expanding their footprint during the recent playoff run.

The Leafs and MLSE in particular have been voted by ESPN as the worst major league sports franchise for fans. Not an insignificant conclusion.

you asked me who was 3rd line c
- MaximusAurelius

BOZAK may not back check but 7th in league last year in face off wins at 56.7%
Kadri 76th in league at faceoff wins at 48%

It doesn't really matter a real pro and a good man will sharpen up his skills in off season. Kadri has improved upon year before last and he reminds me of the rat
Kenny linseman. We will have to wait and see what leafs do with JVR BOZAK
and eventually komorav

Duh. Anybody who is older than 26 years of age was born before the Sens existed. Many are Leaf and Canadiens fans. Some like me have made a conscious decision to support the Sens even though I grew up a Leaf fan. But you will not find many Leaf fans among the under 25 crowd. The Sens made huge progress in expanding their footprint during the recent playoff run.

The Leafs and MLSE in particular have been voted by ESPN as the worst major league sports franchise for fans. Not an insignificant conclusion.
- systemtool

"For 99% of teams, renting a player is smarter than owning him."
- James Tanner
- Atomic Wedgie

This isn't true 47% of the time. When it isn't true, it is because A guy just accidentally ended up on a team out of sheer luck.

BOZAK may not back check but 7th in league last year in face off wins at 56.7%
Kadri 76th in league at faceoff wins at 48%

It doesn't really matter a real pro and a good man will sharpen up his skills in off season. Kadri has improved upon year before last and he reminds me of the rat
Kenny linseman. We will have to wait and see what leafs do with JVR BOZAK
and eventually komorav
- BreathLeafs2015

so?

Duh. Anybody who is older than 26 years of age was born before the Sens existed. Many are Leaf and Canadiens fans. Some like me have made a conscious decision to support the Sens even though I grew up a Leaf fan. But you will not find many Leaf fans among the under 25 crowd. The Sens made huge progress in expanding their footprint during the recent playoff run.

The Leafs and MLSE in particular have been voted by ESPN as the worst major league sports franchise for fans. Not an insignificant conclusion.
- systemtool

spatso is the best

Don't trade JVR
Be a powerhouse for the year

Marleau Matthews Nylander
JVR BOZAK Marner
Hyman Kadri Brown
Komarov Moore Martin

Soshnikove
(Leivo)

Reilly Zaitsev
Gardner Hainsey
Marincin Carrick
one of the swedes dman recently signed

- BreathLeafs2015

is kapanen waiver exempt?

jvr could sign at a discount. id gladly pay him 6 years x 5.5 mil

every day you guys are stressing about salary cap and contract limits when thete is no issue
- Njuice

front loaded

is kapanen waiver exempt?
- dmnted

Yes

Im guessing JvR + 1st for Hamonic (alone) was not the deal. It probably required another prospect going back to Toronto.

The Hamonic deal, imo, was a major negative move for Tavares. At least it looks that way.

I wouldn't be surprised if he does end up signing in a place like Tampa, as someone mentioned before.

As for JvR, he will have a pretty good market at the trade deadline if hes not injured or has an uncharacteristically bad season, and if Toronto cant get a defenseman they want, they'll take the picks.

I dont see JvR signing for a discount. I wouldn't. He's only got this 1 shot at a big contract for the rest of his career. Cant blame him for wanting to take top dollar.

I would think that term its more of the problem than salary. JVR is worth $6 mil a year, but do you want to pay that when he is 35 years old and beyond. I'm not so sure.
- winsix

that his cap hit but could be paid less

2mil x 3 base salary + 5mil x 3 signing bonus years 1 , 2, 3
2mil x 2 base salary + 3mil x 2 signing bonus years 4, 5
1mil x 1 base salary + 2mil x 1 signing bonus years 6

full no movement clause

jvr could sign at a discount. id gladly pay him 6 years x 5.5 mil

every day you guys are stressing about salary cap and contract limits when thete is no issue
- Njuice

I wonder about this as well. Yes cash is king but I think JVR is genuinely excited about being here after being here for the dark years. Like most of the remaining old core.

Yes he was underpaid on his last contract but he signed a 25 mil contract in his 20's. Would finishing off your career with a 39 mil vs 33 mil contract be worth playing in New Jersey?

For some absolutely, but I think he may stay.

Yes
- mikeinbuffalo

He'll start with the Marlies unless another forward is traded.

I would think that term its more of the problem than salary. JVR is worth $6 mil a year, but do you want to pay that when he is 35 years old and beyond. I'm not so sure.
-winsix

Except the fact Toronto is already doing that with Marleau since they signed him for 3 years at the age of 37..... I would rather have JVR personally but at the same time he could be traded for a Dman, hopefully not named Luke Schenn like another team I know....