The writer says Francis is next on the Penguins' Mt. Rushmore after 66 68 87 71.. I disagree. He's up there, but #29 is next. No, not Phil Bourque. Fleury is the best goalie in franchise history, tons of wins, a huge part of 3 Stanley Cups. An amazing guy and part of the community. He's next in line after those top 4.
- jtanner123

I agree with you.

I might have figured out the Pen's 3C issue!

Phil Kessel used to play ............> Center

He actually had a 48.4% faceoff win percentage when he played for Toronto in 2009-2010!

Just think if he started to really work on the FO and got some tips from Sid and the coaches, he would be perfect with Hags and Sprong on the third line!

This would releave the Pen's logjam on RW also!

Once again agreeing with your alt........shocking
- gravyboy33

Don't have an alt. Thanks though. Nice try.

Fleury was an above average to good player surrounded by great teams.

Francis is an all-time great that was a big reason why those teams were great.

Don't have an alt. Thanks though. Nice try.
- j.boyd919

Well played

Fleury was an above average to good player surrounded by great teams.

Francis is an all-time great that was a big reason why those teams were great.
- sditulli

I don't want to pick on the under 30's but Francis was light years better then MAF, and another galaxy better then P. Bourque.

Well played
- gravyboy33

Hahaha it's not even well played. I'm just being honest hahaha I really don't have an alt.

I don't want to pick on the under 30's but Francis was light years better then MAF, and another galaxy better then P. Bourque.
- Brianandr1

It's not "who was the better player" it's "who meant more to the organization." At least that's what I think of the "Mt. Rushmore" trope. Otherwise you could argue that Iginla is "better" than Fleury.

Fleury was an above average to good player surrounded by great teams.

Francis is an all-time great that was a big reason why those teams were great.
- sditulli

I don't think the Pens win the Cup in 2009 or 2017 without Fleury. It could be argued they don't win it in 2016 (or even make the playoffs) without Fleury.

I might have figured out the Pen's 3C issue!

Phil Kessel used to play ............> Center

He actually had a 48.4% faceoff win percentage when he played for Toronto in 2009-2010!

Just think if he started to really work on the FO and got some tips from Sid and the coaches, he would be perfect with Hags and Sprong on the third line!

This would releave the Pen's logjam on RW also!


- so_buzz11

Not the craziest idea at all. To me, he plays more like a center than a winger. Great passer / vision, terrible slap shot / one timer. Of course, he would need to have two good defensive wingers in this scenario.

I don't want to pick on the under 30's but Francis was light years better then MAF, and another galaxy better then P. Bourque.
- Brianandr1

Francis was brilliant MAF isn't even close. But he's more associated with the Canes. MAF maybe ring of honor one day but not number retired. I'd say Letang has the best shot of joining that group. Too many of the greatest past Pens had too short a run.

RNH would be great but Edmonton's only real need is a dman PP QB and we dont have one to spare. Vegas only has 3 RWs that are not going to be on LTIR and we just happen to have lota of those. We could get Merrill or McNabb as well for defensive depth that we have needed every year.
- Dcoms

I actually think RNH for a Maatta centric deal is more realistic than most of the "bigger name" type trades weve discussed.

Not the craziest idea at all. To me, he plays more like a center than a winger. Great passer / vision, terrible slap shot / one timer. Of course, he would need to have two good defensive wingers in this scenario.
- T-Train

Playing center is so much more than just knowing how to win face offs and facilitating. The whole semantics of your defensive assignments and how you function in transition get switched up when you go from wing to center. At age 30, Kessel will not be converting to C on a night in night out basis for an extended period of time. It would likely be disasters.

Nah my alt is Mr_Underwood and is currently serving a 3 year ban for being an alt account.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm positive almost no one here would trade Schultz for a lazy Green. I'll say it again: Letang and Schultz are better than Green.

Playing center is so much more than just knowing how to win face offs and facilitating. The whole semantics of your defensive assignments and how you function in transition get switched up when you go from wing to center. At age 30, Kessel will not be converting to C on a night in night out basis for an extended period of time. It would likely be disasters.
- Victoro311

Players switch between center and wing all the time. Not saying Kessel could pull it off now or that management and coaches would even consider it, but it's not a crazy notion. I think he plays more like a center than a winger in his style of play. And there are plenty of centers out there who suck at defense anyway. Bozak and Duchene come to mind.

I actually think RNH for a Maatta centric deal is more realistic than most of the "bigger name" type trades weve discussed.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

They would have to retain and we would have to have a deal for a dman lined up. I still think Vegas is the most likely option - Karlsson, Lindberg or Haula for picks/prospects.

Hahaha it's not even well played. I'm just being honest hahaha I really don't have an alt.
- j.boyd919

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm font

You are better than this man. Don't be like the other idiots.
- Feds91Stammer

First off, I like these "other idiots". Their opinions matter (or do not matter) just as much as yours.

If it came down to 31 year old Green or 27 year old Schultz I'd take Schultz every time and especially when Schultz is cheaper. At the same price I would too.. Green had two 70+ point seasons, like what 8 or 9 years ago? and he hasnt had a season as productive as Schultz's last season since back then. Now if it came down to a mid twenties Green I might opt for him over Schultz...might. Furthermore on those two 70+ point seasons; it was when the Caps were insanely all offence under Brodeau. They were all run and gun and extremely good at it. It's no coincidence those were the two best/most productive years of Ovi and Backstrom's careers too. Backstrom by a long shot.

I'll say it again the guy comes off as a pu$$y. His demeanour is soft. He doesnt have the heart of a champion.

Players switch between center and wing all the time. Not saying Kessel could pull it off now or that management and coaches would even consider it, but it's not a crazy notion. I think he plays more like a center than a winger in his style of play. And there are plenty of centers out there who suck at defense anyway. Bozak and Duchene come to mind.
- T-Train

Most of the time it's natural centers switching to wing. It's not as often that a winger switches to center.

First off, I like these "other idiots". Their opinions matter (or do not matter) just as much as yours.

If it came down to 31 year old Green or 27 year old Schultz I'd take Schultz every time and especially when Schultz is cheaper. At the same price I would too.. Green had two 70+ point seasons, like what 8 or 9 years ago? and he hasnt had a season as productive as Schultz's last season since back then. Now if it came down to a mid twenties Green I might opt for him over Schultz...might. Furthermore on those two 70+ point seasons; it was when the Caps were insanely all offence under Brodeau. They were all run and gun and extremely good at it. It's no coincidence those were the two best/most productive years of Ovi and Backstrom's careers too. Backstrom by a long shot.

I'll say it again the guy comes off as a pu$$y. His demeanour is soft. He doesnt have the heart of a champion.
- MattStrat

I'd like to point out, again, he drives a pink vespa.

I'd like to point out, again, he drives a pink vespa.
- stowerkraut

Orange

First off, I like these "other idiots". Their opinions matter (or do not matter) just as much as yours.

If it came down to 31 year old Green or 27 year old Schultz I'd take Schultz every time and especially when Schultz is cheaper. At the same price I would too.. Green had two 70+ point seasons, like what 8 or 9 years ago? and he hasnt had a season as productive as Schultz's last season since back then. Now if it came down to a mid twenties Green I might opt for him over Schultz...might. Furthermore on those two 70+ point seasons; it was when the Caps were insanely all offence under Brodeau. They were all run and gun and extremely good at it. It's no coincidence those were the two best/most productive years of Ovi and Backstrom's careers too. Backstrom by a long shot.

I'll say it again the guy comes off as a pu$$y. His demeanour is soft. He doesnt have the heart of a champion.
- MattStrat

First off, I like these "other idiots". Their opinions matter (or do not matter) just as much as yours.

If it came down to 31 year old Green or 27 year old Schultz I'd take Schultz every time and especially when Schultz is cheaper. At the same price I would too.. Green had two 70+ point seasons, like what 8 or 9 years ago? and he hasnt had a season as productive as Schultz's last season since back then. Now if it came down to a mid twenties Green I might opt for him over Schultz...might. Furthermore on those two 70+ point seasons; it was when the Caps were insanely all offence under Brodeau. They were all run and gun and extremely good at it. It's no coincidence those were the two best/most productive years of Ovi and Backstrom's careers too. Backstrom by a long shot.

I'll say it again the guy comes off as a pu$$y. His demeanour is soft. He doesnt have the heart of a champion.
- MattStrat

The bold is where you are being an idiot.

Most of the time it's natural centers switching to wing. It's not as often that a winger switches to center.
- j.boyd919

Right, but Kessel is a natural center. It's the position he played growing up, through college, and at least a season in the NHL. Again, look at his style of play. He plays like a center.

Right, but Kessel is a natural center. It's the position he played growing up, through college, and at least a season in the NHL. Again, look at his style of play. He plays like a center.
- T-Train

While, I proposed this as a half joke, I do agree it is not the craziest idea especially if GMJR is looking to add someone more at the trade deadline and if Cullen is leaning towards coming back.

Also, GMJR said they have a solution for the 3C but are looking at other options. Maybe (I doubt it) this is what he meant.