Analytics, at least in baseball, says otherwise.
- mont23

Source?

Health is not a skill lol injuries are random.
- j.boyd919

They're not totally random. Genetics plays into it. Besides that, I agree with you. Injury is not a skill.

Sullivan loves Hags and Horny, neither is going anywhere.
- Brianandr1

Sullivan loves those players so much that Hagelin was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and Hornqvist was demoted to the fourth line. I agree, trading either one of these coach's favorites is inconceivable.

I clearly stated that Letang was the better player, but if you can't stay on the ice, I don't care how good you are. Letang no doubt has the better talent, but you can't be the better player when you are spending large chunks of the season in the press box. The Pens just won the cup without him, some will say the Pens survived. I just think that you have to take everything in when talking about Letang. The Pens paid him 7.2 mil to play 41 out of the 103 games the Pens played. That has to factor in. I just think at some point, durability has to be factored in, especially when it becomes a yearly thing.
- Thorny

You are either arguing that Schultz is the better player or you're not. Pick one.

Argue Letang's durability all you want. That is a valid argument. Arguing that Schultz is a 1D, let alone better than Letang is not.

You are either arguing that Schultz is the better player or you're not. Pick one.

Argue Letang's durability all you want. That is a valid argument. Arguing that Schultz is a 1D, let alone better than Letang is not.
- Victoro311

Did everyone want to trade Sid when he was hurt 3 seasons in a row?

Did everyone want to trade Sid when he was hurt 3 seasons in a row?
- j.boyd919

We've won two Cups in a row. Its officially the Summer of Bad #Taeks.

I don't know man. It's too easy to draw comparisons between Letang and, say, Craig Adams who was the ultimate iron man. Of course, its important to play most games but I didnt hold it against Crosby or regret his contract when he had a year long concussion.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Comparing Adams and Letang is nuts lol If you want to compare Letang to Karlsson that is fine. Karlsson, outside of one season has played over 80 games 3 out of the 4 seasons....he played 77 this year, or it would have been 4 straight over 80 games. As far as Crosby, he is the best in the game he has played 75, 80,77 and 75 the last 4 years, thats pretty stable.

Sullivan loves those players so much that Hagelin was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and Hornqvist was demoted to the fourth line. I agree, trading either one of these coach's favorites is inconceivable.
- Victoro311

Hagelin was scratched because he had not recovered from a broken leg, Horny was demoted and scratched because of a bunch of different injuries (including broken ribs). How do you leave that out of your narrative?

Hagelin was scratched because he had not recovered from a broken leg, Horny was demoted and scratched because of a bunch of different injuries (including broken ribs). How do you leave that out of your narrative?
- Brianandr1

Hagelin was actually good to go. He was scratched for performance. Sullivan and Hagelin both confirmed he was healthy and available and Yohe did a piece on Hagelin's frustration at being scratched and his desire to get back on the ice.

Hornqvist has been demoted much of this past season. He's very clearly lost his top 6 spot. Its not just injury related.

You are either arguing that Schultz is the better player or you're not. Pick one.

Argue Letang's durability all you want. That is a valid argument. Arguing that Schultz is a 1D, let alone better than Letang is not.
- Victoro311

I never said Schultz was better than Letang. I was arguing that Letang is always injured and its hard to be elite, when you aren't on the ice. My argument is that Schultz is close to being as important as Letang, because Letang's injury history makes him that way, not because Schultz is better.

Did everyone want to trade Sid when he was hurt 3 seasons in a row?
- j.boyd919

Who the hell said anything about trading Letang?

Health is not a skill lol injuries are random.
- j.boyd919

Having a stroke, getting cancer, getting hit in the face with the puck is random, I agree. Getting injured because you sometimes hang onto the puck too long is not random.

Hagelin was actually good to go. He was scratched for performance. Sullivan and Hagelin both confirmed he was healthy and available and Yohe did a piece on Hagelin's frustration at being scratched and his desire to get back on the ice.

Hornqvist has been demoted much of this past season. He's very clearly lost his top 6 spot. Its not just injury related.
- Victoro311

Hagelin missed 2-3 months to injury and was demoted for performance. OK, but he still missed all that time. Horny put up 21g, 44 pts... still pretty good. Both players play 200 foot games, fore check and play d. Horny is there only real net front presence and hits everything in sight. Yes, I think Sullivan loves what both players bring to the table.

Sullivan loves those players so much that Hagelin was a healthy scratch in the playoffs and Hornqvist was demoted to the fourth line. I agree, trading either one of these coach's favorites is inconceivable.
- Victoro311

He wasnt healthy. He might of been well enough to play but it was a foot injury. Sullivan LOVES a healthy Hags.

Hagelin was actually good to go. He was scratched for performance. Sullivan and Hagelin both confirmed he was healthy and available and Yohe did a piece on Hagelin's frustration at being scratched and his desire to get back on the ice.

Hornqvist has been demoted much of this past season. He's very clearly lost his top 6 spot. Its not just injury related.
- Victoro311

I dont believe that to be true, but if so, his performance was hindered due to the foot injury. Directly related.

Hagelin was actually good to go. He was scratched for performance. Sullivan and Hagelin both confirmed he was healthy and available and Yohe did a piece on Hagelin's frustration at being scratched and his desire to get back on the ice.

Hornqvist has been demoted much of this past season. He's very clearly lost his top 6 spot. Its not just injury related.
- Victoro311

Yes because of how well Guentz fit in on the top line with Crosby and Sheary....not because he played poorly.

Source?
- j.boyd919

Ron Shandler and his former group at Baseball HQ.

Staal for the next 2 years at his current cap hit would maximize the Pens chances of winning another cup without committing long term to someone who may not be a 3C. With Staal you're getting a 2C to slot behind Sid/Geno with a 70 point Kessel on his wing (possibly.) And then in 2 years you re-evaluate the options and go from there. Pens shouldn't be too worried about 4-5 years down the road. Focus on next season and putting forth the best roster possible next year. They have a chance to go back-to-back-to-back. (frank)in go for it. On paper they are still the best team in the NHL, and if not the best they are top 5. Go for it while you can.
- j.boyd919

Sure Gay Boyd, 6 points in 20 games for the Rags, superstar numbers. All for 3.5 million for a guy that will be 33 when the season starts. Pu$$y.

They're not totally random. Genetics plays into it. Besides that, I agree with you. Injury is not a skill.
- Victoro311

Lupul is pretty skilled at being injured.. Just sayin.

Yes because of how well Guentz fit in on the top line with Crosby and Sheary....not because he played poorly.
- MattStrat

I didn't say he played poorly, but guys who coaches have an irrational love for don't get demoted. I simply don't think these two players are untouchable.

Hornqvist was still on the top PP, so I wouldn't say he fell out of favor. Pens are just stacked at RW. He's not better than Kessel. He doesn't really play their speed game with Crosby. But if you believe net front presence is important on the PP, and I know opinions clash there, he still has value for this year's team even if he's not on one of the top 2 lines.

They're not totally random. Genetics plays into it. Besides that, I agree with you. Injury is not a skill.
- Victoro311

Yes, they're not totally random. You can prepare/workout to reduce the chances of certain injuries (obviously not Letangs issue). Letangs injuries are mostly random, however he does take some avoidable punishment from time to time. I believe he holds the puck too long at times setting himself up to get crushed.

I think Vegas is the obvious trade partner since they have so many extra players and a ton of centers. They would also be willing to take back picks/prospects instead of roster players as they have too many roster players and they are building for the future anyway. This means we don't have to agonize over losing Sheary, Maatta, Horny, or whoever. Many of their centers would also fit under the cap even after giving new contracts to Dumo and Sheary.

Minnesota might also be ripe for the picking as their GM appears to have no idea what he's doing, but I can't figure out a trade, especially since Granlund moved to wing. But then, they just traded two good players for two crap players, so maybe they're willing to trade another good player for something lesser in return.

I'm sure Edmonton would like to move RNH and his overpriced contract since Draisaitl and Nurse will get paid this year and next respectively. Chiarelli is another GM who seems to lose trades on a regular basis.

I would say Little is a target since he is a pending UFA, but Winnipeg wasn't far out of the playoffs last year so he is probably a TDL player if they are not looking good then but not sooner.
- T-Train

RNH would be great but Edmonton's only real need is a dman PP QB and we dont have one to spare. Vegas only has 3 RWs that are not going to be on LTIR and we just happen to have lota of those. We could get Merrill or McNabb as well for defensive depth that we have needed every year. Right now Vegas looks like this at centre.
Shipchayov
Marchessault
Haula, Lindberg, Karlson, Glass
Bellemar, Suzuki
Suzuki is going back to the minors but Glass could easily make the team. They arn't winning anything any time soon and might be happy with a Kuhnhackle, a 2nd and a far off prospect like a Ryan Jones. It will cost more if they attach a dman but the cost will be insignificant. When you trade for Eric Staal you don't know which player you are getting. Did he train all summer or did he party at his cottage? Trading for older declining players has not worked for this team in the past and there is no reason to think it will again now. If you're a younger player and you have a chance from going from the worst team in the league to the best I think said player would break his back for the team. Our success the last 2 years has been as much young hungry guys looking to make a name for themselves as much as anything else.

Mike Green.
- j.boyd919

Letang and Schultz are better. I wouldn't trade Dumoulin for him.

Listen buddy your best d-man is DeKeyser so F off

sorry
- Barnaby36

Wrong he is maybe DETs 4th best D man and also what the (frank) does this have to do with you having a poopty opinion?