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Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Jul 20 @ 11:29 AM ET
By what you just said, i really wonder if you've ever even seen Frk play. Frk is not a front net guy and was never going to be one. Putting a right handed canon of a shot in that type of role would be moronic. His best shot is an Ovechkin type of setup on the PP or in a pinch as a pointman (although i'm not sure at the NHL level that would be a good option right off the bat). Frk is similar to Pulkkinen but bigger, bit more edge to his game and a better release to his shots.

Rasmussen, not a fan of this pick. To me this guy reminds me of Frederik Gauthier who the Leafs drafted 21st overall in 2013 and has yet to even do anything in the AHL let alone NHL. I'm not writing him off but lets just say i don't have high hopes for this kid. I think he tops off at 3rd or 4th line center and a front net PP guy.

- dcz28


Yes, agreed. Good points. Frk has also turned into a good skater and excellent puck handler. I've seen him skate and dangle through multiple defensemen and forwards playing this year in GR. He's definitely worked on this. His overall improvement is noticeable. It's probably the most underrated part of his game. I figured that Nosek would get taken instead of Frk... but I didn't want either one to get plucked by Vegas.

I'm sure Rasmussen will be a decent NHL player... but the Wings should have taken Vilardi who was available when they picked.. I think he will have more upside than Rasmussen. LA did well to grab him at #11.
TwoPieceFeed
Detroit Red Wings
Location: HockeyTown
Joined: 08.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:01 PM ET
Yes, agreed. Good points. Frk has also turned into a good skater and excellent puck handler. I've seen him skate and dangle through multiple defensemen and forwards playing this year in GR. He's definitely worked on this. His overall improvement is noticeable. It's probably the most underrated part of his game. I figured that Nosek would get taken instead of Frk... but I didn't want either one to get plucked by Vegas.

I'm sure Rasmussen will be a decent NHL player... but the Wings should have taken Vilardi who was available when they picked.. I think he will have more upside than Rasmussen. LA did well to grab him at #11.

- Vladdie_Kon1

Since the original poster clearly can't read, allow me to reiterate: Frk's best opportunity at becoming an NHLer was to become the next Holmstrom. His skating, defense, and hockey IQ have always been poor compared to his peers. He has, however, always been strong on his skates, a good puck handler/protector, and played well with skilled line-mates.

Frk is a good skater in the AHL. He also has good stick skills and shooting for a "professional". We've always had faster, smarter, and more skilled prospects, though. He doesn't have any skills that separate him from Pulkkinen. In fact, he's a worse amateur than Pulu had ever been.

I wasn't praising Rasmussen for being picked 9th overall, either.
What I am saying, is this:

Rasmussen is a natural center and Frk isn't.
Rasmussen is a much larger player.
Rasmussen skates better than Frk does.
Rasmussen is a much better defender.
Rasmussen has a better shot than Frk does.
Rasmussen is a much better playmaker.

All of this and is 5 years younger.
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Jul 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
Yes, agreed. Good points. Frk has also turned into a good skater and excellent puck handler. I've seen him skate and dangle through multiple defensemen and forwards playing this year in GR. He's definitely worked on this. His overall improvement is noticeable. It's probably the most underrated part of his game. I figured that Nosek would get taken instead of Frk... but I didn't want either one to get plucked by Vegas.

I'm sure Rasmussen will be a decent NHL player... but the Wings should have taken Vilardi who was available when they picked.. I think he will have more upside than Rasmussen. LA did well to grab him at #11.

- Vladdie_Kon1


Yeah i'd like to see Frk get some games with the Wings to see what he can do especially on the PP but then again, Blashill would probably use him totally wrong so he would be useless. He would probably put him on the PK with no PP time and play him on the 4th line asking him to play a grinding dump and chase style with guys who have little to no offensive skills.

As for Rasmussen well i hope i'm wrong about him but just seems like they wasted a high pick on a guy that isn't exactly the type of center they need. They need a top end center that can set up all the wingers they have and in that sense, Vilardi seemed like a better shot at becoming that than Rasmussen. The draft this summer just seems like they didn't address a single huge hole they have for a #1 playmaking center or top pair dman. They need to start getting those if they ever want to compete again.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:21 PM ET
Since the original poster clearly can't read, allow me to reiterate: Frk's best opportunity at becoming an NHLer was to become the next Holmstrom. His skating, defense, and hockey IQ have always been poor compared to his peers. He has, however, always been strong on his skates, a good puck handler/protector, and played well with skilled line-mates.

Frk is a good skater in the AHL. He also has good stick skills and shooting for a "professional". We've always had faster, smarter, and more skilled prospects, though. He doesn't have any skills that separate him from Pulkkinen. In fact, he's a worse amateur than Pulu had ever been.

I wasn't praising Rasmussen for being picked 9th overall, either.
What I am saying, is this:

Rasmussen is a natural center and Frk isn't.
Rasmussen is a much larger player.
Rasmussen skates better than Frk does.
Rasmussen is a much better defender.
Rasmussen has a better shot than Frk does.
Rasmussen is a much better playmaker.

All of this and is 5 years younger.

- TwoPieceFeed

Why are you comparing Rasbustssen to Frk?
TwoPieceFeed
Detroit Red Wings
Location: HockeyTown
Joined: 08.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM ET
Why are you comparing Rasbustssen to Frk?
- Feds91Stammer

Because considering playing Frk is being discussed, and he's not an NHLer.

Rasmussen isn't an NHLer either, yet, but he is a better player.

Considering that I want the #1 overall pick next draft, I supposed playing Frk is the better option, since he gives the Wings a better opportunity to lose.
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM ET
Because considering playing Frk is being discussed, and he's not an NHLer.

Rasmussen isn't an NHLer either, yet, but he is a better player.

Considering that I want the #1 overall pick next draft, I supposed playing Frk is the better option, since he gives the Wings a better opportunity to lose.

- TwoPieceFeed



All those skills you list as better than Frks are based on what exactly? You clearly haven't watched much of Frk play based on your comments and you likely haven't even seen Rasmussen play either aside from a few highlights videos maybe.

Frk had one of the hardest shots in juniors when drafted and has one of the hardest in the AHL yet you say Rasmussen has a better shot...based on what? I've never heard or read anyone saying he had one of the hardest shots in juniors.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 20 @ 12:53 PM ET
Because considering playing Frk is being discussed, and he's not an NHLer.

Rasmussen isn't an NHLer either, yet, but he is a better player.

Considering that I want the #1 overall pick next draft, I supposed playing Frk is the better option, since he gives the Wings a better opportunity to lose.

- TwoPieceFeed

Frk should be given a legit NHL chance. He has a NHL caliber shot.

Also there is no way you can definitively say one is better than the other at this point.
TwoPieceFeed
Detroit Red Wings
Location: HockeyTown
Joined: 08.13.2009

Jul 20 @ 12:55 PM ET
All those skills you list as better than Frks are based on what exactly? You clearly haven't watched much of Frk play based on your comments and you likely haven't even seen Rasmussen play either aside from a few highlights videos maybe.

Frk had one of the hardest shots in juniors when drafted and has one of the hardest in the AHL yet you say Rasmussen has a better shot...based on what? I've never heard or read anyone saying he had one of the hardest shots in juniors.

- dcz28

I've seen Frk live in the AHL and saw a few games live (TV/PC) when he played in the Q. "Hard shot" does not equal "accurate" or "quick". As we saw with Pulu, if you can't get the release off quickly and the puck moving accurately, then your shot isn't going to make much of an impact in the NHL.

I've also seen games of Rasmussen live on TV/PC because I wanted to watch Valimaki. His shot is more useful at the NHL level. He's also a giant and can angle pucks and shooting lanes in ways that Frk is physically unable.
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Jul 20 @ 3:43 PM ET
I've seen Frk live in the AHL and saw a few games live (TV/PC) when he played in the Q. "Hard shot" does not equal "accurate" or "quick". As we saw with Pulu, if you can't get the release off quickly and the puck moving accurately, then your shot isn't going to make much of an impact in the NHL.

I've also seen games of Rasmussen live on TV/PC because I wanted to watch Valimaki. His shot is more useful at the NHL level. He's also a giant and can angle pucks and shooting lanes in ways that Frk is physically unable.

- TwoPieceFeed



I already stated that Frk has a quicker release than Pulk. This is a major problem for Pulk at the NHL level, he couldn't get enough time or space to get his shots off. He did try to get them off quicker but his accuracy went to poop when he did. If you have really watched Frk, you would know that already.

As for Rasmussen, i don't buy what you're selling. He still has a lot to prove in juniors let alone AHL or NHL. A guy his size should be dominating juniors like Mantha was and aside from PP points, he hasn't even done that yet.
datswho
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 05.25.2013

Jul 20 @ 5:17 PM ET
We already have holmstroms son, axle rose holmstrom. He will be a net front presence
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 20 @ 5:19 PM ET
We already have holmstroms son, axle rose holmstrom. He will be a net front presence
- datswho

Welcome to the Red Wings, we got no big names, if you want a long term deal you just sign your name.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 20 @ 5:37 PM ET
We already have holmstroms son, axle rose holmstrom. He will be a net front presence
- datswho

His son eh?
Hockeytown4life
Detroit Red Wings
Location: The Captain is Home!!, TN
Joined: 08.14.2009

Jul 21 @ 8:17 AM ET
We already have holmstroms son, axle rose holmstrom. He will be a net front presence
- datswho

No relation.
Vladdie_Kon1
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 04.21.2007

Jul 21 @ 8:51 AM ET
Okay.. so now that Nosek is gone which really sucks... (thanks to Holland the moron who didn't protect him)....

The 4th line I was really hoping to see (probably a fantasy with Blashill as coach) would have been: Frk - Nosek - Bertuzzi...

So now what ??

Frk - (insert center.. but not worthless Glendening ) - Bertuzzi
TwoPieceFeed
Detroit Red Wings
Location: HockeyTown
Joined: 08.13.2009

Jul 21 @ 12:15 PM ET
I already stated that Frk has a quicker release than Pulk. This is a major problem for Pulk at the NHL level, he couldn't get enough time or space to get his shots off. He did try to get them off quicker but his accuracy went to poop when he did. If you have really watched Frk, you would know that already.

As for Rasmussen, i don't buy what you're selling. He still has a lot to prove in juniors let alone AHL or NHL. A guy his size should be dominating juniors like Mantha was and aside from PP points, he hasn't even done that yet.

- dcz28

It's alright. I don't buy what you're selling on Frk. I've seen him play and he's just not good enough. Pulkkinen's release was just as good at the AHL level. It looks quick in that league. I agree to disagree.
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