Toews finished 18th for C in even strength total points (in a season where he missed 10 games and played hurt)

The handful of guys that were better in a significant way (more than just a few points)

McDavid - This kid is gifted and played with a very talented Draisaitl.
Scheifele - Played with Ehlers, Wheeler, Laine all year
Crosby - Played with Sheary, Rust, Hornqvist, Guentzel (not all top line talent, but definitely an upgrade compared to Panik, Schmatlz, Hayden, etc..)
Backstrom - played almost exclusively with Oshie and Ovie
Getzlaf - Played with Perry and Rakell mostly.

Crosby is always gonna have the offensive numbers over Toews, but all of the other C who were a clear step ahead of Toews at even strength had some real legit NHL wingers.

The PP for Toews changed a lot with AA on the scene and the clear strategy to have #72 load up a one timer.

Don't be fooled because of the weakness of the forward depth on the team. Here is another consideration...how important is the first goal of the game? Kane/Toews among the league leaders in that regard 2nd and 4th respectively with most opening goals. These guys are the leaders of this team and the key to the success up front. The tales of Toews decline are so overblown, it is ridiculous.
- breadbag

What about Eichel? 57pts in 61gms. He came back from a bad injury and who were his amazing line mates? Matthews a Centre put out 40g as a rookie. He wasn't playing with amazing wingers either.

The tales of Toews being one of the top players in the league is what is over blown

>Rainman and others have mentioned it -- #88 has gotten better every year
>Toews does not pass the eye test -- this moment -- for $10.5 million/year
>I mentioned this soon after the season ended -- Toews should be studying the offensive strengths of all top centers and incorporating what he can into his game
>I just mentioned something he can take from Crosby's game
>McDavid: his skating features the "linear crossover" -- that is -- using crossovers for straight ahead speed (not lateral movement) -- Is Toews adding this to his game?
>Bergeron: plays the high-slot distributor, tipper, screener, quick-shooter on the Bs Power Play -- When will Toews do this?
>Getzlaf: -- often beats players in the open ice 1 on 1 executing a high-speed (for him) toe-drag move -- Jonny?
>I could go on an on
>The point is a player does not improve unless he makes a concerted effort to improve
>Posters who come on here and take issue with Jonny's game do so because based on what we have seen, know he can be better
- SnapitUpstairs

Okay, but you can't expect Toews to carry guys who should be playing 3rd line (Schmaltz, Hayden, Panik,..) and compete offensively with the elite C in the league who have legitimately better wingers. The only one who is close to having the same lack of talent on his wing is Crosby, and even then I'd give the NHL experience and readiness edge to the wingers he played with over Toews.

I'm sorry, but winning in the NHL isn't about highlight reel moves, but scoring more than the other guy. Toews has been part of some great NHL lines, mostly on the success of out working the other team's best players, with guys like Sharp, Saad, Hossa, etc.. on his wing. His best seasons were with those guys forcing turnovers, applying pressure and creating goals. Some guys will make the occasional fancy deke (Toews too as seen by his 3v3 performances) but the majority of NHL goals are not scored that way.

#88 has gotten better, but still doesn't have the game to play in ever situation consistently. His role is different and carries a lot of different responsibilities. Apples to Oranges. When Kane is on the ice killing penalties, winning draws, shutting down top players, going to the net in the playoffs while Kronwall crosschecks him repeatedly, all while wearing the C on his jersey, while producing 1st line offense. On that day, I'll buy 100 Kane jerseys.

In all seriousness, the Hawks just need to fix their depth and get some chemistry in the top lines. The Russian experiment with Kane ultimately failed to produce in the playoffs and wasn't working. The Hawks made changes and look like a much more difficult team to play against. This will help #19.

https://t.co/WF0rg64LZd?amp=1

NJ still has a lot of cap space and needs offense. Maybe AA, Hossa, and someone like Forsling for John Moore and a pick?

The story refers to the Hossa situation:

Shero’s best ally right now is the cap crunch other teams are feeling. A productive forward could be sniped from Toronto on the cheap, and Chicago still needs to shed money somewhere along the line if the Marian Hossa LTIR situation goes south. He’s known primarily for his trade prowess which helped solidify the 2009 championship team in Pittsburgh, and it wouldn’t be out of character for him to again heavily work the phones. Hischier will need some sort of support, as the roster as it stands, while better than last year, is still incredibly lean.

>Rainman and others have mentioned it -- #88 has gotten better every year
>Toews does not pass the eye test -- this moment -- for $10.5 million/year
>I mentioned this soon after the season ended -- Toews should be studying the offensive strengths of all top centers and incorporating what he can into his game
>I just mentioned something he can take from Crosby's game
>McDavid: his skating features the "linear crossover" -- that is -- using crossovers for straight ahead speed (not lateral movement) -- Is Toews adding this to his game?
>Bergeron: plays the high-slot distributor, tipper, screener, quick-shooter on the Bs Power Play -- When will Toews do this?
>Getzlaf: -- often beats players in the open ice 1 on 1 executing a high-speed (for him) toe-drag move -- Jonny?
>I could go on an on
>The point is a player does not improve unless he makes a concerted effort to improve
>Posters who come on here and take issue with Jonny's game do so because based on what we have seen, know he can be better
- SnapitUpstairs

Snap, OUTSTANDING POST!
Bravo

I know SteveRain and others (me included) say Toews play doesn't pass the eye test. You just gave a great list of things that could be done and are missing from the arsenal/tool box. I've mentioned it before with Kane as have you and Rain man too. Kane seems to work every off-season on some aspect of his game to bring it to another level.

When he worked on shooting more and his shot release, the next season was a revelation (IMO) watching him. Defenders could no longer count on Kane making that trailing play pass or always looking for the open guy because just as often, he would take the defender to school and fire the puck on-net. So many times that quick release caught the G off guard and puck ended up in the back of the net.

I am hoping for (and expect to see for $10.5 large AAV) a much better Toews. I don't care as much about PPG or goals although certainly it's important overall. If we see an improved Toews, we will see better play from the other 4 guys on the ice as well. Elevating his game WILL elevate everyone else.

IMO, anything less is a fail.

Okay, but you can't expect Toews to carry guys who should be playing 3rd line (Schmaltz, Hayden, Panik,..) and compete offensively with the elite C in the league who have legitimately better wingers. The only one who is close to having the same lack of talent on his wing is Crosby, and even then I'd give the NHL experience and readiness edge to the wingers he played with over Toews.

I'm sorry, but winning in the NHL isn't about highlight reel moves, but scoring more than the other guy. Toews has been part of some great NHL lines, mostly on the success of out working the other team's best players, with guys like Sharp, Saad, Hossa, etc.. on his wing. His best seasons were with those guys forcing turnovers, applying pressure and creating goals. Some guys will make the occasional fancy deke (Toews too as seen by his 3v3 performances) but the majority of NHL goals are not scored that way.

#88 has gotten better, but still doesn't have the game to play in ever situation consistently. His role is different and carries a lot of different responsibilities. Apples to Oranges. When Kane is on the ice killing penalties, winning draws, shutting down top players, going to the net in the playoffs while Kronwall crosschecks him repeatedly, all while wearing the C on his jersey, while producing 1st line offense. On that day, I'll buy 100 Kane jerseys.

In all seriousness, the Hawks just need to fix their depth and get some chemistry in the top lines. The Russian experiment with Kane ultimately failed to produce in the playoffs and wasn't working. The Hawks made changes and look like a much more difficult team to play against. This will help #19.
- breadbag

>I just posted some very specific things Toews can and should add to his game to be a better player -- regardless of who he plays with
>Instead you change the narrative back to who Jonny plays with
>It's clear to me there is too much "confirmation bias" about #19
>I'm done with this topic for today

Snap, OUTSTANDING POST!
Bravo

I know SteveRain and others (me included) say Toews play doesn't pass the eye test. You just gave a great list of things that could be done and are missing from the arsenal/tool box. I've mentioned it before with Kane as have you and Rain man too. Kane seems to work every off-season on some aspect of his game to bring it to another level.

When he worked on shooting more and his shot release, the next season was a revelation (IMO) watching him. Defenders could no longer count on Kane making that trailing play pass or always looking for the open guy because just as often, he would take the defender to school and fire the puck on-net. So many times that quick release caught the G off guard and puck ended up in the back of the net.

I am hoping for (and expect to see for $10.5 large AAV) a much better Toews. I don't care as much about PPG or goals although certainly it's important overall. If we see an improved Toews, we will see better play from the other 4 guys on the ice as well. Elevating his game WILL elevate everyone else.

IMO, anything less is a fail.
- savvyone-1

>Well, I'm "done" after this post

>Many thanks, Savvy
>Totally agree -- we all want Jonny to be the best he can be

>Rainman and others have mentioned it -- #88 has gotten better every year
>Toews does not pass the eye test -- this moment -- for $10.5 million/year
>I mentioned this soon after the season ended -- Toews should be studying the offensive strengths of all top centers and incorporating what he can into his game
>I just mentioned something he can take from Crosby's game
>McDavid: his skating features the "linear crossover" -- that is -- using crossovers for straight ahead speed (not lateral movement) -- Is Toews adding this to his game?
>Bergeron: plays the high-slot distributor, tipper, screener, quick-shooter on the Bs Power Play -- When will Toews do this?
>Getzlaf: -- often beats players in the open ice 1 on 1 executing a high-speed (for him) toe-drag move -- Jonny?
>I could go on an on
>The point is a player does not improve unless he makes a concerted effort to improve
>Posters who come on here and take issue with Jonny's game do so because based on what we have seen, know he can be better
- SnapitUpstairs

No argument.

Know he can be better because at 29, he's probably not "done," "too many hard miles," "quitter," etc

Whatever the reason for the regression, and to my eye it's been a combination of health AND Ryan Gar-Dano-Shaw-Hart-Schmaltz-Man on his left wing, it doesn't matter. He can do better. Getting Saad back and a full summer of rest for the first time in 3 years should make a huge difference.

Rest is up to him, and if we're looking at 75G/55 points a year from now, then we have another discussion.

#19 was never healthy last year. He had crap wings all of last year. He was relied upon for all three zones while bringing along his linemates. That is a heavy burden for a guy who has arguably played more hockey than any other Center in the league his age.

However, Bredbag and Steve made great points. The off season training and adding different things to the utility belt is what concerns me. These crazy diets and environmental initiatives should take a back seat to the performance of the team that pays him 10+ a year. If his back was the reason he was poop in the first round this year, why is he back packing in F ing india or wherever two weeks after the season was over? He has carried a heavy load in the past seasons, but where is the different tweaks to his overall game that are making him more dynamic? This is the real concern.

As far as points per season goes, 65-70 is fair. That's where he should be given all the situations he plays in.

>What I mean is that Toews made dynamic plays all by himself early in his career regardless of linemates
>And some happened with 4th liners during line changes
>Most remember Toews' end-to-end rush where he went through the whole Avalanche team to score -- who the other Hawks were did not matter on that play
>Open-ice, fast, dynamic puck-carrying
>Where is that guy?
- SnapitUpstairs

"That guy" has taken on a much more defensive and responsible game out of necessity because of lack of depth on the team. Toews doesn't get the open ice offensive shifts anymore, Kane and formerly Panarin got those. Yes, who the other Hawks were absolutely matter because it changes the entire make up of the team and their roles. If you start deploying Toews offensively, who lines up against the top line aside from Kruger, who is now gone? On Toews line, who is there to help him with the shutdown role? Panik, Schmaltz? Saad is back no, so I bet we see a bit more dynamic play form Toews. Everyone saying Toews play doens't pass the "eye test" are actin like it's in a vacuum of the same team around him. It's not.

What about Eichel? 57pts in 61gms. He came back from a bad injury and who were his amazing line mates? Matthews a Centre put out 40g as a rookie. He wasn't playing with amazing wingers either.

The tales of Toews being one of the top players in the league is what is over blown
- PatShart

1) You realize no one here was claiming Toews was a top 10 center anymore, correct? He was a top 15 producer last year, but still, the main discussion was simply that it's incorrect to call him a 2C. 2) Are you really trying to pretend that Eichel and Matthews didn't play with top 6 talent guys last season?

Eichel's two most common linemates were Reinhart, a former 2nd overall pick, and E.Kane, the guy like 90% of the people on the board want on the Hawks for 2LW. Is Schmaltz or Panik as good as either of those guys right now? Maybe an argument for Reinhard, but not for E.Kane.

And Matthews played with a dynamic offensive player like Nylander and a power-forward Hyman. Again, an argument could be made that Schmaltz and/or Panik are as good/better than Hyman, but come on with that not playing with amazing wingers stuff. I mean, Nylander would be the best young forward on the Hawks and a lot of teams by a country mile - he's 3rd on the Leafs because they also have Matthews and Marner.

Let's also add: neither Matthews nor Eichel are deployed as a 1C like Toews either - they face lower QOC and/or get higher OZS. Matthews especially was deployed in a sheltered, offensive role. They are able to do that because their teams have centers that are better at tougher assignments - Kadri and O'Reilly.

>Rainman and others have mentioned it -- #88 has gotten better every year
>Toews does not pass the eye test -- this moment -- for $10.5 million/year
>I mentioned this soon after the season ended -- Toews should be studying the offensive strengths of all top centers and incorporating what he can into his game
>I just mentioned something he can take from Crosby's game
>McDavid: his skating features the "linear crossover" -- that is -- using crossovers for straight ahead speed (not lateral movement) -- Is Toews adding this to his game?
>Bergeron: plays the high-slot distributor, tipper, screener, quick-shooter on the Bs Power Play -- When will Toews do this?
>Getzlaf: -- often beats players in the open ice 1 on 1 executing a high-speed (for him) toe-drag move -- Jonny?
>I could go on an on
>The point is a player does not improve unless he makes a concerted effort to improve
>Posters who come on here and take issue with Jonny's game do so because based on what we have seen, know he can be better
- SnapitUpstairs

You're saying that Toews needs to alter his entire skating style that he's been creating since youth hockey, and you're knocking him for an offensive strategy that's not his plan to begin with? Okay. Players don't just change their skating mid career. Where Toews plays in the offensive zone on the PP and PK is on the coaches. Hopefully that changes with the rumored Dineen interview and Ulf coming in.

>I just posted some very specific things Toews can and should add to his game to be a better player -- regardless of who he plays with
>Instead you change the narrative back to who Jonny plays with
>It's clear to me there is too much "confirmation bias" about #19
>I'm done with this topic for today
- SnapitUpstairs

Sure there are things he can do to be better and he hasn't been at his best, but at some point you have to consider the whole picture. Toews is a solid offensive talent. That is well understood. He has shown time and time again that he can make the big play. He has had international tournaments where he was arguable Canada's best forward.

I don't agree that he isn't trying to improve or that he somehow doesn't work on this game. He is a professional athlete with world class coaches behind him. He didn't get a C on this jersey by being a plug. You take a season like last year, where he apparently had a back injury and played with 3rd liners a lot of the time.

You may want to see him make some more of those highlight reel moves, but honestly, I just want to see the Hawks give him some legit wingers so they can get back to winning games.

1) You realize no one here was claiming Toews was a top 10 center anymore, correct? He was a top 15 producer last year, but still, the main discussion was simply that it's incorrect to call him a 2C. 2) Are you really trying to pretend that Eichel and Matthews didn't play with top 6 talent guys last season?

Eichel's two most common linemates were Reinhart (former 2nd overall pick) and E.Kane (the guy like 90% of the people on the board want on the Hawks for 2LW). Is Schmaltz or Panik as good as either of those guys right now? No lol.

And Matthews played with a dynamic offensive player like Nylander and power-forward Hyman. There's some argument that Schmaltz and/or Panik are as good/better than Hyman, but come on with that not playing with amazing wingers bs. I mean, Nylander would be the best young forward on the Hawks and a lot of teams by a country mile - he's 3rd on the Leafs because they also have Matthews and Marner.

Let's also add: neither Matthews nor Eichel are deployed as a 1C like Toews either - they face lower QOC and/or get higher OZS. Matthews especially was deployed in a sheltered, offensive role. They are able to do that because their teams have centers that are better at tougher assignments - Kadri and O'Reilly.
- L_B_R

Eichel and Matthews aren't deployed as number 1 centers?

And I'm not saying those guys didn't play with top 6 players, but Toews has. Theybteied quite a bit to get him going the last few years. And it's always his linemates, and SOOOOOOO tired of hearing how he "must be injured" year after year after year. What kind of injury does he always have when he is sucking, but then has scoring stretches and he's magically better....then hurt again, or it's his linemates, or the sun in his eyes, or Q is screwing him, or, or, or.....

He has more excuses than a pregnant nun

Snap, OUTSTANDING POST!
Bravo

I know SteveRain and others (me included) say Toews play doesn't pass the eye test. You just gave a great list of things that could be done and are missing from the arsenal/tool box. I've mentioned it before with Kane as have you and Rain man too. Kane seems to work every off-season on some aspect of his game to bring it to another level.

When he worked on shooting more and his shot release, the next season was a revelation (IMO) watching him. Defenders could no longer count on Kane making that trailing play pass or always looking for the open guy because just as often, he would take the defender to school and fire the puck on-net. So many times that quick release caught the G off guard and puck ended up in the back of the net.

I am hoping for (and expect to see for $10.5 large AAV) a much better Toews. I don't care as much about PPG or goals although certainly it's important overall. If we see an improved Toews, we will see better play from the other 4 guys on the ice as well. Elevating his game WILL elevate everyone else.

IMO, anything less is a fail.
- savvyone-1

Welcome to the party..........

Agreed.....the eye test vs the corsi/fenwick guy argument is oil and water. Toews wasn't right last year. Injured? Crappy talent? I don't know but he needs to improve HIS game.....and keep on progressing.

I think/hope he will.

#19 was never healthy last year. He had crap wings all of last year. He was relied upon for all three zones while bringing along his linemates. That is a heavy burden for a guy who has arguably played more hockey than any other Center in the league his age.

However, Bredbag and Steve made great points. The off season training and adding different things to the utility belt is what concerns me. These crazy diets and environmental initiatives should take a back seat to the performance of the team that pays him 10+ a year. If his back was the reason he was poop in the first round this year, why is he back packing in F ing india or wherever two weeks after the season was over? He has carried a heavy load in the past seasons, but where is the different tweaks to his overall game that are making him more dynamic? This is the real concern.

As far as points per season goes, 65-70 is fair. That's where he should be given all the situations he plays in.
- nickmo2699

Honestly, there's really nothing "wrong" per se with his diet. Way too much is made out of that. Meh, based on what little I know he maybe doesn't get enough pure animal protein, but that's debatable cuz that Onnit poop is full of whey protein.

Bottom line, i don't care if he's chained to a squat rack in a basement somewhere all summer or backpacking in the Himalayas, as long as he does the work he needs to do and comes in rested, ready, healhy and explosive. he's not a guy I worry about in that regard, honestly.

No argument.

Know he can be better because at 29, he's probably not "done," "too many hard miles," "quitter," etc

Whatever the reason for the regression, and to my eye it's been a combination of health AND Ryan Gar-Dano-Shaw-Hart-Schmaltz-Man on his left wing, it doesn't matter. He can do better. Getting Saad back and a full summer of rest for the first time in 3 years should make a huge difference.

Rest is up to him, and if we're looking at 75G/55 points a year from now, then we have another discussion.
- John Jaeckel

Lets hope so.....and my last post on this whole Toews thing, which seems very touchy for some........

1. I'm still a HUGE toews fan. However, just because I point out his flaws doesn't mean I am less of a fan then others who always want to think every prospect is an A prospect, etc

2. IMO, I look at guys like toews and Keith. Keith's biggest flaw in his offensive game has been his shot. Every year we see the blue line toe drag, pump, pump, then fire into a group of players, and I have YET to see a guy drop to the ground in pain due to blocking Keith's shot. You would think a guy who with a fix to his shot could be a lock to the Norris each year, would improve on that? Especially seeing the ways guys like Burns and Karlsson jump into plays and create chances.

3. IMO, 19 also needs to improve his game......Remember when he broke in and all we heard is how he has a wrist shot like Sakic, etc? His shot is still very good, but probably can be better to help him capitalize on chances.

3. To beat the horse death once and for all.....when I look at Kane from 10 years ago to now, I saw a kid who was gifted offensively, small, never back checked and was more of pass first, shoot second kid......now he is very hard to knock off the puck, plays a very underrated 200 ft game, and can score with the best of them. he hasn't rested on his given ability. He's improved it.

can anyone here say honestly that the other core guys have as well? Maybe Crawford? F or D men?

Sure there are things he can do to be better and he hasn't been at his best, but at some point you have to consider the whole picture. Toews is a solid offensive talent. That is well understood. He has shown time and time again that he can make the big play. He has had international tournaments where he was arguable Canada's best forward.

I don't agree that he isn't trying to improve or that he somehow doesn't work on this game. He is a professional athlete with world class coaches behind him. He didn't get a C on this jersey by being a plug. You take a season like last year, where he apparently had a back injury and played with 3rd liners a lot of the time.

You may want to see him make some more of those highlight reel moves, but honestly, I just want to see the Hawks give him some legit wingers so they can get back to winning games.
- breadbag

I get the lesser skilled guy argument, but that's on hockey ops. Not coaches. Not Toews.

Those same guys, lesser tiered skill guys, most are still on this team.......in fact they have added a few more........

I would just love to hear the incontrovertible proof that the latest batch of rumors (that I can't honestly weigh in on one way or the other at this point in time), AREN'T happening.

Beyond someone's opinion that it "doesn't make sense."
- John Jaeckel

and my opinion is just THAT, JJ, an opinion, no proof, no anything.


ALL those ideas makes little sense ... to me.

and my opinion is just THAT, JJ, an opinion, no proof, no anything.


ALL those ideas makes little sense ... to me.
- wiz1901

Trading AA I understand, but right now....would be hard to replace. A month ago at the draft? Ok......however, foley went out of his way to rip that guy to death in game 4 vs Nashville. Obviously Foley still thinks it's 1980.

As far as Duchene. I just dont' see how the Hawks out bid a Pittsburgh, Nashville or Montreal for him. Sakic has to get that trade return RIGHT based on what has been written about it.....so I can understand why he's gun shy.

I get the lesser skilled guy argument, but that's on hockey ops. Not coaches. Not Toews.

Those same guys, lesser tiered skill guys, most are still on this team.......in fact they have added a few more........
- SteveRain

I think we'll agree the Hawks don't have the flexibility to add all the skill they want. I think the hope is that some of those guys take the next step. Losing Hossa will be the big hole that worries me.

I think we'll agree the Hawks don't have the flexibility to add all the skill they want. I think the hope is that some of those guys take the next step. Losing Hossa will be the big hole that worries me.
- breadbag

100% agree.

I stated a few blogs back, while I don't think this team as it stands right now is a legit cup contender, I am excited to hopefully see the development of a lot of the new kids to hopefully fulfill roles that guys like Shaw, Bolland, Kruger, etc excelled in.

Been watching prospect videos on twitter......some of those 1 on 1 drills were impressive.

If 2/7/19/88/50 all play how they can......and 20 jumps right in, and 10 or 8 give Sharp a decent player on his left wing.....they could be a good.

Just very concerned about depth on the blue line........

Eichel and Matthews aren't deployed as number 1 centers?

And I'm not saying those guys didn't play with top 6 players, but Toews has. Theybteied quite a bit to get him going the last few years. And it's always his linemates, and SOOOOOOO tired of hearing how he "must be injured" year after year after year. What kind of injury does he always have when he is sucking, but then has scoring stretches and he's magically better....then hurt again, or it's his linemates, or the sun in his eyes, or Q is screwing him, or, or, or.....

He has more excuses than a pregnant nun
- PatShart

Not in terms of usage/deployment, no. Kadri and O'Reilly respectfully take the highest QOC by a good deal, and in Toronto's case, most of the DZS. Neither of Eichel nor Matthews got as high QOC as anyone in the top 6 on the Hawks, for example - Eichel was closer. That will definitely change as they get older and they're still playing a lot, but for now, both of them have the luxury of having another center take some of the heavy load as they develop a bit more.

Also, it's been two years of inconsistency (though the second reg season ended strong for him personally), so it's not "year after year after year" but okay.

Debrincat on making the big club:

https://twitter.com/BySco...status/887041136505892864

Some good video from prospects camp on Powers' Twitter feed ....

100% agree.

I stated a few blogs back, while I don't think this team as it stands right now is a legit cup contender, I am excited to hopefully see the development of a lot of the new kids to hopefully fulfill roles that guys like Shaw, Bolland, Kruger, etc excelled in.

Been watching prospect videos on twitter......some of those 1 on 1 drills were impressive.

If 2/7/19/88/50 all play how they can......and 20 jumps right in, and 10 or 8 give Sharp a decent player on his left wing.....they could be a good.

Just very concerned about depth on the blue line........
- SteveRain

Seabrook's defensive play last year was awful. His drop has been precipitous and that began the year before. And he's our number 2! Whatever Hossa money eventually gets recouped must go towards defense.

Looks like Cro, Keith and Seebs are missing the fan fest.