I think you are over analyzing this, and I sense some needless hate towards the whole "Red Wing model" thing.

It's really a combination of both. Yes, the Wings had a lot of later picks during their years of success, so of course it takes longer to plug roster holes with young guys under those circumstances. But, yes, they also showed a lot of restraint and patience at times, which was the basis for their model of development.

It worked for a long time, in part because they achieved the perfect balance of success and development...together. Very, very tough to do.

I see us having the same patience, and hopefully the same success with later picks, and if that is the case, then we are following a model very similar.

If we get 25 years of playoff hockey, 12 100+ point seasons, and 4 Cups, will you still argue against such a methodology?
- W_1

He wants to sign Jagr, trade Nylander, and thinks Gardiner sucks. What do you think?

Detroits drafting and developing model isn't exactly a myth, but Its grossly exaggerated.

Over the past 2 decades they got got lucky ( or were good,no matter) with what? 5 or 6 picks?players? Lidstrom, FRanson,Kronwall, Zetts and Dats? Who else? More importantly, who lately? Their run of success with that model was a fairly small window, most of their titles were won by having big FRee Agency dollars to spend.
- Larsson_fan

Every dynasty begins with luck. Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk...3 HOF players in later rounds on one team? Some luck in that for sure. Crosby & Malkin, McDavid, Lemieux, Gretzky, Kane & Toews, heck, even Matthews, all "luck" of some sort or another.

I think the difference between then and now, is that the window is smaller. Where the Wings could extend their "lucky" window to 25 years, now the "lucky" window seems to be about 10. Salary cap, parity, and the increase in drafting data, have all contributed to this change.

Having a model of developmental patience is still a good thing, and the Wings were good at it, but it was never the core concept of their success. It just helped them extend it, among other things.

He wants to sign Jagr, trade Nylander, and thinks Gardiner sucks. What do you think?
- Steven_Seagull

No. No. And I actually thought Gardiner was outstanding last year, taking advantage of Rielly getting the tougher assignments.

Every dynasty begins with luck. Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk...3 HOF players in later rounds on one team? Some luck in that for sure. Crosby & Malkin, McDavid, Lemieux, Gretzky, Kane & Toews, heck, even Matthews, all "luck" of some sort or another.

I think the difference between then and now, is that the window is smaller. Where the Wings could extend their "lucky" window to 25 years, now the "lucky" window seems to be about 10. Salary cap, parity, and the increase in drafting data, have all contributed to this change.

Having a model of developmental patience is still a good thing, and the Wings were good at it, but it was never the core concept of their success. It just helped them extend it, among other things.
- W_1

The most important thing was that they introduced young players onto a good team.

There is no way to prove it, but if Nugent Hopkins stated his career as a SanJose Shark and Logan Couture as an Oiler, I bet they would be different players.

The most important thing was that they introduced young players onto a good team.

There is no way to prove it, but if Nugent Hopkins stated his career as a SanJose Shark and Logan Couture as an Oiler, I bet they would be different players.
- Larsson_fan

This is a model that the Leafs are trying to follow, "taken" from the "Wings way".

Kind of common sense really. You get lucky and get some amazing players, you then build a great team around them, consistency of success creates a winning culture and high expectations, you bring in young players that can have success in that culture.

Both the Leafs and Oilers are in the building a team around great players phase. We both need to be smart in FA, and be able to draft NHL talent in later rounds from here on in. Our windows are probably about 10 years if we do it right.

Rinse and repeat.

The most important thing was that they introduced young players onto a good team.

There is no way to prove it, but if Nugent Hopkins stated his career as a SanJose Shark and Logan Couture as an Oiler, I bet they would be different players.
- Larsson_fan

Detroits drafting and developing model isn't exactly a myth, but Its grossly exaggerated.

Over the past 2 decades they got got lucky ( or were good,no matter) with what? 5 or 6 picks?players? Lidstrom, FRanson,Kronwall, Zetts and Dats? Who else? More importantly, who lately? Their run of success with that model was a fairly small window, most of their titles were won by having big FRee Agency dollars to spend.
- Larsson_fan

I think you have to be lucky to be good

The Pens got lucky with the lockout and getting Crosby with it

The Leafs for lucky by winning the 1st overall and hitting some free jackpots(Zaitzev, Brown)


And as bad as Benning and the Nucks are if they continue to have this bad luck with the lottery it dosnt matter who will run the team they will be bad

The most important thing was that they introduced young players onto a good team.

There is no way to prove it, but if Nugent Hopkins stated his career as a SanJose Shark and Logan Couture as an Oiler, I bet they would be different players.
- Larsson_fan

Agreed.

Look at Kadri for example.

Babs obviously helped a lot but not being on a bottom 5 team does wonders to your career

Agreed.

Look at Kadri for example.

Babs obviously helped a lot but not being on a bottom 5 team does wonders to your career
- Santo_44

Matthews line taking the tough matchups by mid-season helped too. Kadri and Komarov were always buried under, got a chance to shine a bit and face 2nd and 3rd lines for a change.

No. No. And I actually thought Gardiner was outstanding last year, taking advantage of Rielly getting the tougher assignments.
- W_1

I was referring to Max.

Were including guys that aren't leaf property now?
- burn

Respective to where they will fit in the lineup:
Lillybust
Grundstrom
Johnson
Brooks

I was referring to Max.
- Steven_Seagull

Yeah I know

I was just offering my 2 cents in agreement!

Yeah I know

I was just offering my 2 cents in agreement!
- W_1

oh, okay.

Respective to where they will fit in the lineup:
Lillybust
Grundstrom
Johnson
Brooks
- walshyleafsfan

Lillygrin
Grunstrom
Woll
Bracco
Dahlin

The most important thing was that they introduced young players onto a good team.

There is no way to prove it, but if Nugent Hopkins stated his career as a SanJose Shark and Logan Couture as an Oiler, I bet they would be different players.
- Larsson_fan

Agreed. People look at Palat and Guentzel etc.

But it how they're allowed to develop more than them being amazing superstars passed by every team more the once.x

Liljegren
Dermott
Woll
Bracco
I don't know enough about Rasanen, but that's the type of player you want on your team.
- BetterCallSaul

I think Dermott will be decent, but he probably won't be anything special. I picked Rasanen because of his attitude.. dude seems a bit off lol.. the type of guy who'll wallpaper his future teammates in the exhibition scrimmages.. oh and he's 6'7 and didn't start playing hockey until he was 10.

Respective to where they will fit in the lineup:
Lillybust
Grundstrom
Johnson
Brooks
- walshyleafsfan

I prefer LOLjegren to Lillybust

I think Dermott will be decent, but he probably won't be anything special. I picked Rasanen because of his attitude.. dude seems a bit off lol.. the type of guy who'll wallpaper his future teammates in the exhibition scrimmages.. oh and he's 6'7 and didn't start playing hockey until he was 10.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I can actually see Dermott and Rasanen being the #1 pair on this team in 5 years.

Lillygrin
Grunstrom
Woll
Bracco
Dahlin
- Steven_Seagull

Lovin you some swedes eh?

I'd have to look into Dahlin some more.. but Rosen and Borgman have potential for sure too

I can actually see Dermott and Rasanen being the #1 pair on this team in 5 years.
- W_1

That Rasanen kid is a (frank)in head case lol.. And he puts up points.

That Rasanen kid is a (frank)in head case lol.. And he puts up points.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

No ones got the luv for Nielsen around here. I think he is better then Dermott but maybe thats just me lol

No ones got the luv for Nielsen around here. I think he is better then Dermott but maybe thats just me lol
- fansince72

I just think if those two were going to be good they would have already seen some icetime with the Leafs.. we've seen a bunch of other jabronis get called up tho..

No ones got the luv for Nielsen around here. I think he is better then Dermott but maybe thats just me lol
- fansince72

I would really like to see Nielsen reach his potential, which is a high ceiling considering his physical tools, but I think he's going to take a lot of work.

Dermott has the skating ability and IQ to really be an impact player. I think Dermott will tear up the AHL this year and really begin to show what he can be.

- Matthews_Auston

I just think if those two were going to be good they would have already seen some icetime with the Leafs.. we've seen a bunch of other jabronis get called up tho..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Defense is a different animal. I do think this year will be very important in the development of both players though, it's time for them to shine I think.