I would assume Hextall would probably listen on anyone that's kind of a bubble guy.

The value just has to be right. A 3rd for McGinn was solid return. Especially with prospects starting to filter in.

Raffl is a curious guy for me. He is a solid player who can move around the lineup. Can kill penalties. He did have a 20 goal season so he does have a scoring tough. And his contract isn't bad either. I feel like it could come down to picking between Read and Raffl for a roster spot.
- J35Bacher

read scored over 20 twice, you think he has a scoring touch?

I move raffle before read if the opportunity was there.

I would assume Hextall would probably listen on anyone that's kind of a bubble guy.

The value just has to be right. A 3rd for McGinn was solid return. Especially with prospects starting to filter in.

Raffl is a curious guy for me. He is a solid player who can move around the lineup. Can kill penalties. He did have a 20 goal season so he does have a scoring tough. And his contract isn't bad either. I feel like it could come down to picking between Read and Raffl for a roster spot.
- J35Bacher

Raffl killed penalties. He didn't do it last year and I don't think the year before that. They don't want to use him in that role. Whether it's his funky blocking style that results in broken bones or what I don't know.

read scored over 20 twice, you think he has a scoring touch?

I move raffle before read if the opportunity was there.
- rinaldo

The thing with Read for me, just what i see, is it looks like he lost a step. And that was big thing for him. Read and Couturier used to get a good amount of scoring chances shorthanded. But now you don't see that much.

Just my view. He doesn't seem to be able to use his speed as much anymore. You see some flashes but not enough.

The thing with Read for me, just what i see, is it looks like he lost a step. And that was big thing for him. Read and Couturier used to get a good amount of scoring chances shorthanded. But now you don't see that much.

Just my view. He doesn't seem to be able to use his speed as much anymore. You see some flashes but not enough.
- J35Bacher

read is kind of shot I agree. though only has 1 more year left as opposed to 2 for raffle. could live with him for 1 more season.

read is kind of shot I agree. though only has 1 more year left as opposed to 2 for raffle. could live with him for 1 more season.
- rinaldo

I kind of a agree.

Going to be some nice battles in in training camp.

you are not going to get a pick for him imo. just because a stiff in the past got one doesn't equate to him getting one.

every team has multiple leiers in their system
- rinaldo

That's why I said try. If a team comes with an offer just take it. I don't see him as a key piece moving forward.

That's why I said try. If a team comes with an offer just take it. I don't see him as a key piece moving forward.
- Streit2ThePoint

no team is coming with an offer imo. conditional 7th maybe.

I don't see him as any piece moving forward.

no team is coming with an offer imo. conditional 7th maybe.

I don't see him as any piece moving forward.
- rinaldo

IF

I don't see it either

That's why I said try. If a team comes with an offer just take it. I don't see him as a key piece moving forward.
- Streit2ThePoint

No but at this time he is still a solid AHL veteran for your young guys you have coming in. Is a conditional 7th rounder really worth it? Maybe he is your future Colin McDonald moving forward as time moves on.

Solid AHL guy but also a possible call up when needed on the 4th line.

No but at this time he is still a solid AHL veteran for your young guys you have coming in. Is a conditional 7th rounder really worth it? Maybe he is your future Colin McDonald moving forward as time moves on.

Solid AHL guy but also a possible call up when needed on the 4th line.
- J35Bacher

you mean a guy that is available every summer?

Somehow I don't see a 175 pound guy with 2 points in 16 career games and sub 45% Corsi numbers beating out the likes of Laughton, Raffl, Weise, etc. for a final roster spot.

I'm just going to leave this here

http://gizmodo.com/scient...t-animals-on-e-1796895652

you mean a guy that is available every summer?
- rinaldo

You mean a guy i already have on the roster?

As long as he isn't costing much why do I have to go look for a guy when he is already there.

No but at this time he is still a solid AHL veteran for your young guys you have coming in. Is a conditional 7th rounder really worth it? Maybe he is your future Colin McDonald moving forward as time moves on.

Solid AHL guy but also a possible call up when needed on the 4th line.
- J35Bacher

I'm just saying I do not see the Flyers, nor do I think they should, trade another player to make room for Leier on the roster.

Either keep him in the AHL, or if a reasonable trade is offered, take it.

The thing with Read for me, just what i see, is it looks like he lost a step. And that was big thing for him. Read and Couturier used to get a good amount of scoring chances shorthanded. But now you don't see that much.

Just my view. He doesn't seem to be able to use his speed as much anymore. You see some flashes but not enough.
- J35Bacher

He has lot some speed, but I think a larger reason for him and Couturier not getting as many SH scoring chances is VdV soaking up 505 SH minutes in the past three years, while producing a single SH point.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...Played,gte,&sort=shPoints

I think I would rather trade Leier for a 3rd than put him on waivers. That's what Hextall did with McGinn.

https://www.broadstreetho...cginn-trade-flyers-sharks
- Feanor

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I'd move any from the list below for a 3rd rounder if a team wants to pay that price:
Weise
Raffl
Read
Leier

It's all about asset management. If you can move Read for a 4th to a team like Arizona by retaining 50%, then replace him with Leier then that's better for the team going forward than possibly losing Leier for nothing.
- Feanor

As much as I hate pointing this out, Matt Read isn't a 14th forward. He plays nightly. I would love to see Matt Read moved but it has to be a move that sees Laughton or Leier play, not sit. These kids also have to earn it regardless of who is here.

I would assume Hextall would probably listen on anyone that's kind of a bubble guy.

The value just has to be right. A 3rd for McGinn was solid return. Especially with prospects starting to filter in.

Raffl is a curious guy for me. He is a solid player who can move around the lineup. Can kill penalties. He did have a 20 goal season so he does have a scoring tough. And his contract isn't bad either. I feel like it could come down to picking between Read and Raffl for a roster spot.
- J35Bacher

It's a sad thought when Michael Raffl is our best natural LW on the team. I guess I take it extra personal growing up a LeClair and Gagne fan. It also didn't help watching Hartnell and JvR given away for air.

I don't hold Raffl up on the same level as others do. I think he should kill penalties but we haven't seen it in along time. In fact Simmonds was bumped ahead of him. We all know he once scored 20 once upon a time but so has Matt Read and this was along time ago.

I would trade Read an Raffl if I thought it were possible.

Somehow I don't see a 175 pound guy with 2 points in 16 career games and sub 45% Corsi numbers beating out the likes of Laughton, Raffl, Weise, etc. for a final roster spot.
- ChoclitLeClair

Me either, although he's a brilliant skater.

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I'd move any from the list below for a 3rd rounder if a team wants to pay that price:
Weise
Raffl
Read
Leier
- Baxter27

I would move any for a 7th

It's a sad thought when Michael Raffl is our best natural LW on the team. I guess I take it extra personal growing up a LeClair and Gagne fan. It also didn't help watching Hartnell and JvR given away for air.

I don't hold Raffl up on the same level as others do. I think he should kill penalties but we haven't seen it in along time. In fact Simmonds was bumped ahead of him. We all know he once scored 20 once upon a time but so has Matt Read an Da this was along time ago.

I would trade Read an Raffl if I thought it were possible.
- SuperSchennBros

Getting tired of the "he can play up and down the lineup." And do what exactly? 11 points? He's got good possession, I'll give him that but Raffl shouldn't be anywhere near the top line.

I would move any for a 7th
- rinaldo

In what scenario is a 7th a worthy return for Read? There is no need for the 17-18 Flyers to shed salary. Read has 1 year left. He has shown the potential to score in the past. He could be a valuable TDL asset. Again, I see no reason to move Read. He's not keeping anyone out of the lineuup.

In what scenario is a 7th a worthy return for Read? There is no need for the 17-18 Flyers to shed salary. Read has 1 year left. He has shown the potential to score in the past. He could be a valuable TDL asset. Again, I see no reason to move Read. He's not keeping anyone out of the lineuup.
- steelydan

well here is one. you get a pick back who maybe turns into something. you get something for nothing. valuable tdl asset, that's funny.

then you go sign a free agent to 1 year 1mm deal who will give you everything read does and maybe more.

as far as shedding $$$. you never know when a deal could pop up where you may need that space.

Getting tired of the "he can play up and down the lineup." And do what exactly? 11 points? He's got good possession, I'll give him that but Raffl shouldn't be anywhere near the top line.
- SimmerDown17

Need to look at that 11 points properly. All of Raffl's points came in 5 on 5 play. He doesn't play on the PP. Raffl only played 52 games. Simmonds had 20 5 on 5 points in 82 games. Giroux had 18 in 82 games. Brayden Schenn had 21 in 79 games.

Need to look at that 11 points properly. All of Raffl's points came in 5 on 5 play. He doesn't play on the PP. Raffl only played 52 games. Simmonds had 20 5 on 5 points in 82 games. Giroux had 18 in 82 games. Brayden Schenn had 21 in 79 games.
- MJL

"Playing up and down the lineup" isn't saying i want him on the top line. But he is someone you can move around if needed.

Also the lineup is looking to have more depth. Depending on the 4th line i even think they could provide some timely scoring this year.