50 games u don't get last year either.
When u have a top 2 minute muncher facing the best in the tough minutes ok
His offence is crap but offense is the last thing the Leafs need.

Just curious....
Who out there is available or could be pried away at what cost?
- Nighthawk

Not many out there, you are correct. However, just because supply is limited, doesn't mean you made a trade for the sake if making a trade. Lou's alluded to this many times. You don't trade for a guy who can only give you 50 or 60 games a year. You need a guy, if you're trading for a perceived top pairing dman, to play on the top pair 82 + games a year.

I think they'll see how Dermott, Lillybust, Rosen and Borgman are at come camp time.

A trade for Tanev could've easily happened by now. Nothing standing in the way. I don't think management is looking at Chris as a solution

Way overpay - no deal. Marchenko, Timoshov a fifth and a turd for Tanev and he can be the 7th d and keep the mascot company.
- winsix

Tanev easily becomes leafs best d on the right side and third best dman. Doubt it would happen though

Not many out there, you are correct. However, just because supply is limited, doesn't mean you made a trade for the sake if making a trade. Lou's alluded to this many times. You don't trade for a guy who can only give you 50 or 60 games a year. You need a guy, if you're trading for a perceived top pairing dman, to play on the top pair 82 + games a year.

I think they'll see how Dermott, Lillybust, Rosen and Borgman are at come camp time.

A trade for Tanev could've easily happened by now. Nothing standing in the way. I don't think management is looking at Chris as a solution
- walshyleafsfan

No arguments here. As for prospects none r projected as top 2.
As for the TOTAL solution no but like u say supply is limited & that never changes either.
It is in the right direction though but i don't see a deal there.
LL will keep trying cuz not much choice IMO.
Its the most difficult trades to make.

Tanev easily becomes leafs best d on the right side and third best dman. Doubt it would happen though
- ClarksonDavid

Thats about right but it helps Reilly out a ton is what counts.
Develop that other top 4 D in the system & groom Liljegrin.

That IMO would make sense then LL has the cap to deal with soon on ELC's.

Come on back when u can be taken seriously. I'll be here when u do so.
Suggest u don't quit your day job cuz comedy won't pay your bills.
- Nighthawk

Keep trying to sell Tanev, no sale here. Come back with something that we need not a ten point a year guy that has never played a full season in the NHL. Would love to make a decent trade for a d-man. Unfortunately Vancouver does not have any currently.

Tanev easily becomes leafs best d on the right side and third best dman. Doubt it would happen though
- ClarksonDavid

Injuries and being injury prone is a serious consideration when talking about a players' value. Lupul was a very talented player with solid skill. Unfortunately, he was a walking injury. Tanev has never in seven years in the NHL played a full season. Pretty convincing evidence - to depend on such a player would be a giant folly.

No arguments here. As for prospects none r projected as top 2.
As for the TOTAL solution no but like u say supply is limited & that never changes either.
It is in the right direction though but i don't see a deal there.
LL will keep trying cuz not much choice IMO.
Its the most difficult trades to make.
- Nighthawk

I agree. I think it's best for now to play until the deadline as is, and if we're in a position where it looks like we can win a round or two, pick up some rental dmen. Nothing fancy, just your usual deadline fodder.

Continue to be patient and wait for situations to change. A day before the Schenn for JVR trade, no one would've said it was possible. But, for some reason, Philly soured on JVR and there you go. Gotta think Anaheim would like more scoring at some point. Can't keep going with 2 or 3 forwards every playoffs

Injuries and being injury prone is a serious consideration when talking about a players' value. Lupul was a very talented player with solid skill. Unfortunately, he was a walking injury. Tanev has never in seven years in the NHL played a full season. Pretty convincing evidence - to depend on such a player would be a giant folly.
- winsix

(frank) Tanev...with Bennings asking price no team will get him

I agree. I think it's best for now to play until the deadline as is, and if we're in a position where it looks like we can win a round or two, pick up some rental dmen. Nothing fancy, just your usual deadline fodder.

Continue to be patient and wait for situations to change. A day before the Schenn for JVR trade, no one would've said it was possible. But, for some reason, Philly soured on JVR and there you go. Gotta think Anaheim would like more scoring at some point. Can't keep going with 2 or 3 forwards every playoffs
- walshyleafsfan

I don't like going into the year with both JVR/Bozak

I don't want to lose them for nothing. I can't see either dealt at the deadline.

(frank) Tanev...with Bennings asking price no team will get him
- Santo_44

Exactly and when Benning calls Lou to talk a deal, Lou can ask : " can I speak with your boss?"

I agree. I think it's best for now to play until the deadline as is, and if we're in a position where it looks like we can win a round or two, pick up some rental dmen. Nothing fancy, just your usual deadline fodder.

Continue to be patient and wait for situations to change. A day before the Schenn for JVR trade, no one would've said it was possible. But, for some reason, Philly soured on JVR and there you go. Gotta think Anaheim would like more scoring at some point. Can't keep going with 2 or 3 forwards every playoffs
- walshyleafsfan

Thats a good route to take with todays market & cap.

I don't like going into the year with both JVR/Bozak

I don't want to lose them for nothing. I can't see either dealt at the deadline.
- Santo_44

I think it's possible Bozak gets an extension. Dunno about JVR. I think he's definitely a guy they'll look to trade during the year. If they allow JVR to talk about an extension with the other team before trading him, it might suit both parties.

I don't like going into the year with both JVR/Bozak

I don't want to lose them for nothing. I can't see either dealt at the deadline.
- Santo_44

It really will depend on the situation. The Leafs may trade them for an area of need rather than prospects or keep them for a playoff run if that is the situation. There will be deals before camp almost certainly.

(frank) Tanev...with Bennings asking price no team will get him
- Santo_44

Most likely true but then again he is not being shopped.

This doesnt really mean much though..
- ClarksonDavid

True goals were easier then!

I think it's possible Bozak gets an extension. Dunno about JVR. I think he's definitely a guy they'll look to trade during the year. If they allow JVR to talk about an extension with the other team before trading him, it might suit both parties.
- walshyleafsfan

I agree.

No secret JVR is the most likely asset to trade.
Luv to hear who Winsix thinks he fetches for need?

Tanev easily becomes leafs best d on the right side and third best dman. Doubt it would happen though
- ClarksonDavid

Not sure how you rate Tanev higher than Zaitsev - I respectfully disagree.

I don't like going into the year with both JVR/Bozak

I don't want to lose them for nothing. I can't see either dealt at the deadline.
- Santo_44

You don't lose them for nothing, you get cap space back.

No secret JVR is the most likely asset to trade.
Luv to hear who Winsix thinks he fetches for need?
- Nighthawk

He's a rental at this point, a high scoring left winger, and rentals are hard to move in the offseason because of the cap. Duchene - hasn't moved because even though he has 2 years left, he is also considered a rental. JVR would get a mid range prospect and a 1st rounder at the the deadline, probably in the 20th to 30th pick range maybe a little more.

You don't lose them for nothing, you get cap space back.
- Zezel

Not great shakes with JVR, a 29 goal and 62 point LW that is a $4.25 Mil cap hit was great while it lasted.

It really will depend on the situation. The Leafs may trade them for an area of need rather than prospects or keep them for a playoff run if that is the situation. There will be deals before camp almost certainly.
- winsix

1st u post this...

He's a rental at this point, a high scoring left winger, and rentals are hard to move in the offseason because of the cap. Duchene - hasn't moved because even though he has 2 years left, he is also considered a rental. JVR would get a mid range prospect and a 1st rounder at the the deadline, probably in the 20th to 30th pick range maybe a little more.
- winsix

Then this...


So is it need or picks/prospects?
U do like to dance but going off on tangents also.

1st u post this...






Then this...


So is it need or picks/prospects?
U do like to dance but going off on tangents also.
- Nighthawk

I think Leafs would trade JVR, but the area of need is a d-man and he would not be enough to get a player like Manson for example. You asked what his value was, and I gave an honest answer. Area of need is a RHD. To get Manson it would be more like JVR, a very good prospect and a pick probably. My thinking on JVR is that he is of more value if the Leafs were to sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal - if at all possible and then trade him. His value increases significantly. As was suggested earlier by Walshy - trading and letting the other team negotiate a contract might also increase his value.

I think Leafs would trade JVR, but the area of need is a d-man and he would not be enough to get a player like Manson for example. You asked what his value was, and I gave an honest answer. Area of need is a RHD. To get Manson it would be more like JVR, a very good prospect and a pick probably. My thinking on JVR is that he is of more value if the Leafs were to sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal - if at all possible and then trade him. His value increases significantly. As was suggested earlier by Walshy - trading and letting the other team negotiate a contract might also increase his value.
- winsix

Ok gotcha its Manson.
A RHD is the top need & Tanev i see no deal there tbh.
Personally the Ducks r not positioned to move him til D is healthy.
IMO the Preds r a better team to trade with.
That said Poile is stingy when moving D.

No secret JVR is the most likely asset to trade.
Luv to hear who Winsix thinks he fetches for need?
- Nighthawk

Horvat, Boeser, and 5 1sts