il have something tomorrow

good news is *if you are into it*

im going to really ramp up the fantasy this year...
- Lucas.Neilson

There was a brief piece in today's paper about Pen's intention to trade Kessel. I thought it was a bit amusing when I thought about that contract. He started out with $8 million from TO, now Leafs are stuck with a $1.2 mil per year stupid tax, next the Pens will trade him to Arizona and retain $1.5 say. It's the contract that keeps poisoning. And from the Kessel camp, he will pay taxes in two countries and two states.

There was a brief piece in today's paper about Pen's intention to trade Kessel. I thought it was a bit amusing when I thought about that contract. He started out with $8 million from TO, now Leafs are stuck with a $1.2 mil per year stupid tax, next the Pens will trade him to Arizona and retain $1.5 say. It's the contract that keeps poisoning. And from the Kessel camp, he will pay taxes in two countries and two states.



- winsix

Spreading his salary across multiple states and countries probably eases his tax burden.

(Source: I do my taxes with Turbotax)

If you get down there again this year, let us know if that Matthews kid looks any good and if he's improved from last summer...


- SofaKingBored

Had forgotten he was on the team even.....

Had forgotten he was on the team even.....
- burn

Expect Liljegrin to be in the SEL & save a contract spot.
Too young & not ready to rush into the Leafs line-up.
Needing proven top 4 D is not fixed from within.
Patience or a trade is the options available.

Expect Liljegrin to be in the SEL & save a contract spot.
Too young & not ready to rush into the Leafs line-up.
Needing proven top 4 D is not fixed from within.
Patience or a trade is the options available.
- Nighthawk

Yeah - we know, Nylander plus four first rounders for Tanev and a turd.

Yeah - we know, Nylander plus four first rounders for Tanev and a turd.
- winsix

Are you Mike Milbury? If yes send out that offer 👍👍

Are you Mike Milbury? If yes send out that offer 👍👍
- Nighthawk

No, not Jim Benning either, but the posts from Canucks fans to date seen here were for the most part starting with Nylander plus for Tanev. And the general feeling on this blog was that there wasn't a single player - anywhere in the Vancouver organization which would merit Nylander in return. I personally don't want an undrafted player that managed 10 points in a season for the Leafs. I don't care about intangibles.

No, not Jim Benning either, but the posts from Canucks fans to date seen here were for the most part starting with Nylander plus for Tanev. And the general feeling on this blog was that there wasn't a single player - anywhere in the Vancouver organization which would merit Nylander in return. I personally don't want an undrafted player that managed 10 points in a season for the Leafs. I don't care about intangibles.
- winsix

All fine with me but top D don't grow on trees either.
If u think the Leafs need offense from D u won't be getting one in a trade.
U brought up Nylander not I. Your points on Tanev make no sense either.
Tell me about late picks like Zetterberg while u r at it.
Keeping the puck outta the net should be the focus.

After Matthews Marner Reilly i'd put Nylander as 4th best on the Leafs.
If the Canucks r so destitute i can live with it while prospects develop.
When Nylander carries the team to somewhere we can chat again.
Til then u can bait me with whatever u wish.
I have no problems with patience while our rebuild takes hold.

After Matthews Marner Reilly i'd put Nylander as 4th best on the Leafs.
If the Canucks r so destitute i can live with it while prospects develop.
When Nylander carries the team to somewhere we can chat again.
Til then u can bait me with whatever u wish.
I have no problems with patience while our rebuild takes hold.
- Nighthawk

Nylander is the 2nd most valueabkw player on this team IMO.

He will be a center.

All fine with me but top D don't grow on trees either.
If u think the Leafs need offense from D u won't be getting one in a trade.
U brought up Nylander not I. Your points on Tanev make no sense either.
Tell me about late picks like Zetterberg while u r at it.
Keeping the puck outta the net should be the focus.
- Nighthawk

In general, the prices paid for middle of the road d-men like Hamonic and Larsson recently have been very high imo. Larsson was a high pick, but underperformed and still hasn't shown a great deal in the NHL. Hall on the other hand, at least offensively is a dynamic player. NJ made out like bandits. Surprisingly, Garth Snow - certainly not one of the better GM's in the league fleeced Calgary on the Hamonic trade. I understand that in a salary cap world, contract has an important role in a trade. Even if you have a great d-man, if he is paid $10 mil, not every team can fit that in, age and term can be an issue etc. The Leafs drafted Liljegren, who was much to the amazement of many still available at 17. Leafs are not ready to compete yet for the cup this year. Realistically they can aim for 100 points. They can add one or two decent d-men of the ilk of say Colin Miller or possibly Josh Manson or maybe Tyson Barrie, without moving either Nylander or Marner. This is the course for this team.

Nylander is the 2nd most valueabkw player on this team IMO.

He will be a center.
- Santo_44

Once he becomes a true C that might be the case.
As it stands now the Leafs r pretty loaded on offence.
Get the top 4 D in place & the Leads r set to be serious contenders.

After Matthews Marner Reilly i'd put Nylander as 4th best on the Leafs.
If the Canucks r so destitute i can live with it while prospects develop.
When Nylander carries the team to somewhere we can chat again.
Til then u can bait me with whatever u wish.
I have no problems with patience while our rebuild takes hold.
- Nighthawk

as of right now, i'm not sure. both jvr and kadri had more goals. kadri is clearly the better 2-way player.

so many good forwards, it's actually hard to rank.

thanks. you just made my day.

In general, the prices paid for middle of the road d-men like Hamonic and Larsson recently have been very high imo. Larsson was a high pick, but underperformed and still hasn't shown a great deal in the NHL. Hall on the other hand, at least offensively is a dynamic player. NJ made out like bandits. Surprisingly, Garth Snow - certainly not one of the better GM's in the league fleeced Calgary on the Hamonic trade. I understand that in a salary cap world, contract has an important role in a trade. Even if you have a great d-man, if he is paid $10 mil, not every team can fit that in, age and term can be an issue etc. The Leafs drafted Liljegren, who was much to the amazement of many still available at 17. Leafs are not ready to compete yet for the cup this year. Realistically they can aim for 100 points. They can add one or two decent d-men of the ilk of say Colin Miller or possibly Josh Manson or maybe Tyson Barrie, without moving either Nylander or Marner. This is the course for this team.
- winsix

What u so loosely refer to as middle of the D still ignores the fact thats what D fetches in trades. Why? Cuz there is not enough of them to go around.

Manson or Barrie prolly not going anywhere & if they do it won't be cheap.
Do u honestly think the Leafs will get either for nothing?

anyone see Howard Berger's most recent tweet?

Strong hint that leaf will be making a move soon for a dman.
- cracka

Keep saying it and eventually something will happen.

as of right now, i'm not sure. both jvr and kadri had more goals. kadri is clearly the better 2-way player.

so many good forwards, it's actually hard to rank.

thanks. you just made my day.
- Tumbleweed

Placing Nylander as 4th best is not a knock by any means.
It says how well the team has drafted & finally on a course for years of success. Kadri is a key piece IMO.

Once he becomes a true C that might be the case.
As it stands now the Leafs r pretty loaded on offence.
Get the top 4 D in place & the Leads r set to be serious contenders.
- Nighthawk

Who on Vancouver is a top four d-man right now?

Who on Vancouver is a top four d-man right now?
- winsix

Considering age & quality only Tanev.
The rest r aging or yet to prove otherwise.
Do u wanna continuing sparring?

What u so loosely refer to as middle of the D still ignores the fact thats what D fetches in trades. Why? Cuz there is not enough of them to go around.

Manson or Barrie prolly not going anywhere & if they do it won't be cheap.
Do u honestly think the Leafs will get either for nothing?
- Nighthawk

Barrie should be very cheap - he did not earn his sizeable contract last year. He is seriously overpaid was a -34 on a team that is going nowhere. Manson is a fourth d-man on an excellent team that has older forwards and needs some youth up front.

Once he becomes a true C that might be the case.
As it stands now the Leafs r pretty loaded on offence.
Get the top 4 D in place & the Leads r set to be serious contenders.
- Nighthawk

I have a hard time calling Marner better then Nylander and Nylander better then Marner. I perfer Nylander right now though personally.

Who on Vancouver is a top four d-man right now?
- winsix

Tanev is easily a top 4 Dman in the 50 games he plays if he was healthy more often hed be a great fit for the leafs assumimg the price isnt so high. Rather pass though i think

Considering age & quality only Tanev.
The rest r aging or yet to prove otherwise.
Do u wanna continuing sparring?
- Nighthawk

No sparring, just looking at stats. Nylander scored slightly lower than an excellent Canuck player in his rookie year. 61 points in 81 games, Bure scored 60 in 65 games. What is a footnote to this is that Bure scored his rookie points when there was much more scoring in the NHL. To me Tanev can be compared to a player also from Vancouver - Harold Snepts. Now ask yourself - would you trade Bure for Snepts straight up?

Barrie should be very cheap - he did not earn his sizeable contract last year. He is seriously overpaid was a -34 on a team that is going nowhere. Manson is a fourth d-man on an excellent team that has older forwards and needs some youth up front.
- winsix

Cuz the AV's r in rebuild mode u cite poor reasons he will be traded for cheap.
+- on a lousy team doesn't mean players fetch nothing.
No motivation is there to give him away.
What Anaheim needs doesn't mean they move Manson cuz of depth.
Deep D depth is a strength few teams have eg Preds CBJ & the Ducks.
Prices for D r traditionally high & it will continue.

Yeah - we know, Nylander plus four first rounders for Tanev and a turd.
- winsix

Would you be willing to do Bozak for Marc Staal and two 2nds? We'll even eat $2M of his salary.

...please??

I have the papers right here.