Ok gotcha its Manson.
A RHD is the top need & Tanev i see no deal there tbh.
Personally the Ducks r not positioned to move him til D is healthy.
IMO the Preds r a better team to trade with.
That said Poile is stingy when moving D.
- Nighthawk

I don't think a deal is likely with either Ducks or Preds. Some of the possible matches are Colin Miller from Vegas - not sure the cost, but he is an ok 4-5 guy certainly no better. Several from Carolina - who are very thin at centre and would probably love Bozak in a package for a d-man. Asking on Hanafin might be high, but could probably get Jake Bean for a reasonable price - even though he is a LHD. Another possibility is
Ryan Murray another LHD that has not worked out in Columbus. Unfortunately that one would be risky - as you are aware, high draft pick defensmen that don't pan out, can be a waste of time and money. Examples : Virtanen and Gudbranson

Ok gotcha its Manson.
A RHD is the top need & Tanev i see no deal there tbh.
Personally the Ducks r not positioned to move him til D is healthy.
IMO the Preds r a better team to trade with.
That said Poile is stingy when moving D.
- Nighthawk

He's moved a few if it helps his team he'd look at it

He's moved a few if it helps his team he'd look at it
- MR.Hunter

He is always looking at it yes no doubt.
He is not forced to make any moves IMO.
He can afford to be patient.

I don't think a deal is likely with either Ducks or Preds. Some of the possible matches are Colin Miller from Vegas - not sure the cost, but he is an ok 4-5 guy certainly no better. Several from Carolina - who are very thin at centre and would probably love Bozak in a package for a d-man. Asking on Hanafin might be high, but could probably get Jake Bean for a reasonable price - even though he is a LHD. Another possibility is
Ryan Murray another LHD that has not worked out in Columbus. Unfortunately that one would be risky - as you are aware, high draft pick defensmen that don't pan out, can be a waste of time and money. Examples : Virtanen and Gudbranson
- winsix

So in any case of jvr or bozak their's an add! Unless possibly it's a upcoming free agent dman?,in any case I believe that they'll be patient! No firsts that was obvious from the apparent harmonic deal! And no nylander or Marner None! So if they get someone it'll be a guy like possibly demers? Their are no true number 2 dmen available from what we know! And can we please I wished that Vancouver would trade Tanev to Vegas or Arizona already! christ!

He is always looking at it yes no doubt.
He is not forced to make any moves IMO.
He can afford to be patient.
- Nighthawk

No sure and especially the top 4 group! But I'm sure he doesn't want to be caught with his Richard in his hands again with lack of scoring and depth, Especially at center

So in any case of jvr or bozak their's an add! Unless possibly it's a upcoming free agent dman?,in any case I believe that they'll be patient! No firsts that was obvious from the apparent harmonic deal! And no nylander or Marner None! So if they get someone it'll be a guy like possibly demers? Their are no true number 2 dmen available from what we know! And can we please I wished that Vancouver would trade Tanev to Vegas or Arizona already! christ!
- MR.Hunter

I don't think it is likely that Tanev gets moved. Benning over values him and he made that terrible deal with Florida for Gudbranson so either he's gun shy or wants to make up for that pooch of a deal.

I don't think it is likely that Tanev gets moved. Benning over values him and he made that terrible deal with Florida for Gudbranson so either he's gun shy or wants to make up for that pooch of a deal.
- winsix

Every GM over values their players. This is nothing new.
Explain this terrible deal for EG?
I don't see the relevance in your mind reading tangent.
He had a bad injury & was not going to make a good team by himself.
We lacked D depth & only 1 part needed to rebuild.

I don't think a deal is likely with either Ducks or Preds. Some of the possible matches are Colin Miller from Vegas - not sure the cost, but he is an ok 4-5 guy certainly no better. Several from Carolina - who are very thin at centre and would probably love Bozak in a package for a d-man. Asking on Hanafin might be high, but could probably get Jake Bean for a reasonable price - even though he is a LHD. Another possibility is
Ryan Murray another LHD that has not worked out in Columbus. Unfortunately that one would be risky - as you are aware, high draft pick defensmen that don't pan out, can be a waste of time and money. Examples : Virtanen and Gudbranson
- winsix

I think the asking price for a #4 is just out of whack, as Lou and Co. found out over the two drafts leading up to July 1st.

Hainsey isn't an ideal solution, but the difference between a 4/5 is really not that huge. Do I want to see him in our top pairing? Not at all, but him a 4/5 as a known commodity with a handful of young guys fighting for 4/5/6/7 isn't terrible either.

Particularly with Rosen, who Leino was saying is the best skater he's ever played with, has a bomb of a shot, reminds him of Lidstrom, etc. Take it for what it's worth, but that's somebody that may very well find himself on the team and moving up the depth chart by mid-season.

We had no idea if Zaitsev was even going to stick last year and he had a solid season, particularly towards the end once him and Rielly settled down.

And then there's Dermott, another kid who's going to compete hard in camp, and could stick, surprise the team, pushing Marchenko and Marincin down and out... who themselves may have better seasons, like Marincin did in 2015-16, when he was healthier.

To sum it up, let's not get carried away with loading up for a dynasty and maybe ground our expectations a little bit and see what shakes loose with our youth.

So in any case of jvr or bozak their's an add! Unless possibly it's a upcoming free agent dman?,in any case I believe that they'll be patient! No firsts that was obvious from the apparent harmonic deal! And no nylander or Marner None! So if they get someone it'll be a guy like possibly demers? Their are no true number 2 dmen available from what we know! And can we please I wished that Vancouver would trade Tanev to Vegas or Arizona already! christ!
- MR.Hunter

The funny thing right now is that Bozak is worth more than JVR because he's a center. And centers are in demand - even more so than D-man. Look at the Habs signing Holland - who wasn't good enough to be a fourth liner on the Leafs. And the Rangers signing Deharnais - who is dreadful. Sam Gagne signed by the Canucks.

I don't think it is likely that Tanev gets moved. Benning over values him and he made that terrible deal with Florida for Gudbranson so either he's gun shy or wants to make up for that pooch of a deal.
- winsix

Elliott Friedman said benning had zero intrest in him at the draft!,but I seen a Tanev video interview and Tanev was at the gym, saying that he's focused on getting his injury rehab done! so if fully recovered by the start of the season then maybe someone takes a chance on a guy who can't seem to play a full season and won't put up any points! The games changing and teams are more reliable getting production from their backend! His best bet is to trade him to Vegas!

I think the asking price for a #4 is just out of whack, as Lou and Co. found out over the two drafts leading up to July 1st.

Hainsey isn't an ideal solution, but the difference between a 4/5 is really not that huge. Do I want to see him in our top pairing? Not at all, but him a 4/5 as a known commodity with a handful of young guys fighting for 4/5/6/7 isn't terrible either.

Particularly with Rosen, who Leino was saying is the best skater he's ever played with, has a bomb of a shot, reminds him of Lidstrom, etc. Take it for what it's worth, but that's somebody that may very well find himself on the team and moving up the depth chart by mid-season.

We had no idea if Zaitsev was even going to stick last year and he had a solid season, particularly towards the end once him and Rielly settled down.

And then there's Dermott, another kid who's going to compete hard in camp, and could stick, surprise the team, pushing Marchenko and Marincin down and out... who themselves may have better seasons, like Marincin did in 2015-16, when he was healthier.

To sum it up, let's not get carried away with loading up for a dynasty and maybe ground our expectations a little bit and see what shakes loose with our youth.
- gravyface

I totally agree. Add one or two if the price is right and wait for the draft picks to develop. I think Dermott is ready, Carrick will make the team because he is RH and Hainsey, Zaitsev,Gardiner and Reilly make six and one of the Swedes is 7. No to Marancin and Marchenko though - they were bruatal. Gave me the willies every time the puck came near them.

The funny thing right now is that Bozak is worth more than JVR because he's a center. And centers are in demand - even more so than D-man. Look at the Habs signing Holland - who wasn't good enough to be a fourth liner on the Leafs. And the Rangers signing Deharnais - who is dreadful. Sam Gagne signed by the Canucks.
- winsix

Holland wasn't wanted by Arizona either! That being said centers are valued and if a team comes along and makes a offer you can't refuse, then by all means!but Luo doesn't have to trade a 25to30 goal scorer! And he doesn't have to trade a 45 to50 point center! If teams want them make them pay and if not keep them!and tell the other teams to go frank them selfs! I say keep them if they want they sure as hell have the money for Bozak! Next year 25mil year after 35mil? They'll be fine!

The funny thing right now is that Bozak is worth more than JVR because he's a center. And centers are in demand - even more so than D-man. Look at the Habs signing Holland - who wasn't good enough to be a fourth liner on the Leafs. And the Rangers signing Deharnais - who is dreadful. Sam Gagne signed by the Canucks.
- winsix

Holland was such a head-scratcher to me: had all the tools, just was the epitome of a tweener, and couldn't fit in our roster.

He'd probably be an ok center on a scoring/sheltered 3rd line, but we have Bozak for that and Holland was never better than Bozak.

Every GM over values their players. This is nothing new.
Explain this terrible deal for EG?
I don't see the relevance in your mind reading tangent.
He had a bad injury & was not going to make a good team by himself.
We lacked D depth & only 1 part needed to rebuild.
- Nighthawk

Ya maybe but he seems to get dmen with a lot of injuries they can't help you if their not on the ice

I totally agree. Add one or two if the price is right and wait for the draft picks to develop. I think Dermott is ready, Carrick will make the team because he is RH and Hainsey, Zaitsev,Gardiner and Reilly make six and one of the Swedes is 7. No to Marancin and Marchenko though - they were bruatal. Gave me the willies every time the puck came near them.
- winsix

Marincin was a lot better in 2015-16. I think he was playing hurt last year and lost confidence; also playing with Polak was a terrible idea.

Good PKer, great reach, would be an ok 6/7 with somebody mobile.

Marchenko, another depth guy you put on waivers and hope somebody takes.

Every GM over values their players. This is nothing new.
Explain this terrible deal for EG?
I don't see the relevance in your mind reading tangent.
He had a bad injury & was not going to make a good team by himself.
We lacked D depth & only 1 part needed to rebuild.
- Nighthawk

Not unrelated - or as you put it a tangent. Completely on point on my suggestion with respect to risks in trades for d-men that were high draft picks

read for yourself - Benning thought he was getting a top pairing guy, got an extremely slow d-man that is not looking too good.

http://www.tsn.ca/panther...n-lopsided-trade-1.496247

Marincin was a lot better in 2015-16. I think he was playing hurt last year and lost confidence; also playing with Polak was a terrible idea.

Good PKer, great reach, would be an ok 6/7 with somebody mobile.

Marchenko, another depth guy you put on waivers and hope somebody takes.
- gravyface

Rather make a trade and unload both those salaries. Colin Miller makes one million, unload Marchenko and Marancin to a good home and get 2.7 Million of cap relief.

I think the asking price for a #4 is just out of whack, as Lou and Co. found out over the two drafts leading up to July 1st.

Hainsey isn't an ideal solution, but the difference between a 4/5 is really not that huge. Do I want to see him in our top pairing? Not at all, but him a 4/5 as a known commodity with a handful of young guys fighting for 4/5/6/7 isn't terrible either.

Particularly with Rosen, who Leino was saying is the best skater he's ever played with, has a bomb of a shot, reminds him of Lidstrom, etc. Take it for what it's worth, but that's somebody that may very well find himself on the team and moving up the depth chart by mid-season.

We had no idea if Zaitsev was even going to stick last year and he had a solid season, particularly towards the end once him and Rielly settled down.

And then there's Dermott, another kid who's going to compete hard in camp, and could stick, surprise the team, pushing Marchenko and Marincin down and out... who themselves may have better seasons, like Marincin did in 2015-16, when he was healthier.

To sum it up, let's not get carried away with loading up for a dynasty and maybe ground our expectations a little bit and see what shakes loose with our youth.
- gravyface

Hainsey wasn't! brought in for top 4 dman, but Rosen has elite skating, but Borgman! He's the guy to keep an eye on! Get out Rosen/Borgman highlight videos! The scouting reports coaches fans in Sweden! Borgman just won best rookie of the year award! What a score to grab these two!

Holland was such a head-scratcher to me: had all the tools, just was the epitome of a tweener, and couldn't fit in our roster.

He'd probably be an ok center on a scoring/sheltered 3rd line, but we have Bozak for that and Holland was never better than Bozak.
- gravyface

He wasn't even close! To bad he had the size but not the I. Q. and speed

NHL head office is on alert about the big deal

Hainsey wasn't! brought in for top 4 dman, but Rosen has elite skating, but Borgman! He's the guy to keep an eye on! Get out Rosen/Borgman highlight videos! The scouting reports coaches fans in Sweden! Borgman just won best rookie of the year award! What a score to grab these two!
- MR.Hunter

Don't kid yourself: Hainsey will start the season in the top 4 with Gardiner, Rielly, Zaitsev and him for minute leaders.

Wouldn't be surprised if we see him and Rielly together, with Rielly playing the right side.

It's obviously not ideal, but he'll be in the top 4 until (hopefully) somebody pushes him down to 5 (Carrick, Dermott, or Rosen).

I hope I'm not interrupting, been reading the dialogue about state of leafs D you guys have been having. I have to agree that LL is in no hurry here. After training camp someone already here could turn out to be the next Zaitsev...and then the D doesn't seem to be as big an issue. They're not expecting a Lidstrom/Pronger type Dman out of the bunch but what if a guy turns out to be a Manson clone? And if no one does then look at making a move.

I really hope the patient path is what they take...worked out so far.

He wasn't even close! To bad he had the size but not the I. Q. and speed
- MR.Hunter

Habs top 9 looks awful, so maybe he'll stick.

NHL head office is on alert about the big deal
- Cfser

Oh

I hope I'm not interrupting, been reading the dialogue about state of leafs D you guys have been having. I have to agree that LL is in no hurry here. After training camp someone already here could turn out to be the next Zaitsev...and then the D doesn't seem to be as big an issue. They're not expecting a Lidstrom/Pronger type Dman out of the bunch but what if a guy turns out to be a Manson clone? And if no one does then look at making a move.

I really hope the patient path is what they take...worked out so far.
- reefguy69

That's what I'm saying: Rielly and Gardiner were horses in the playoffs, with Zaitsev right behind them once he started feeling better.

A 2nd pairing guy is really not out of the realm of possibility with Rosen, Carrick or Dermott (not to mention Liljegren year after next potentially), so why lose a Brown or Kapanen and picks for a Manson or Vatanen right now?