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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 13 @ 12:51 PM ET
of course.... it was just a kidney transplant
- DaveofYork



Pffft, that's an outpatient procedure.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 12:54 PM ET
seriously
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 1:09 PM ET
I share in your excitement and outlook, but lets not spike the football before any of these players step into the batter's box.
- StepfordSam


ftfy
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 1:10 PM ET
Not a Beatles/Rutles or Monty Python fan, I take it.
- bmeltzer


Beatles = they're fine
Rutles = never heard of them until your post - Googled to learn a little about them
Monty Python = nope, not a fan
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jul 13 @ 1:23 PM ET
Not a Beatles/Rutles or Monty Python fan, I take it.
- bmeltzer

I had the pleasure of seeing Monty Python live in NYC in the 70s funniest thing ever.
Special note, George Harrison was one of the Mounties in the lumberjack song.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:47 PM ET
The cap benefits of stacking the team with young drafted players should become very apparent next season when Filppula, Read and the Umberger buyout come off the books. This 22 man roster doesn't even hit $63.5m.

Giroux ~ 8.275
Voracek ~ 8.25
MacDonald ~ 5
Lehtera ~ 4.7
Ghost ~ 4.5
Couturier ~ 4.33
Simmonds ~ 3.975
Gudas ~ 3.35
Elliott ~ 2.75
Neuvirth ~ 2.5
Raffl ~ 2.35
Weise ~ 2.35
Weal ~ 1.75
Morin ~ 1.5
Hagg ~ 1.5

Laughton ~ 0.9625
Lindblom ~ 0.925
Patrick ~ 0.925
Vecchione ~ 0.9
Konecny ~ 0.894
Provorov ~ 0.894
Sanheim ~ 0.863
TOTAL ~ 63.4435

- Feanor


We'll probably end up trading Matt Read for the last two seasons of Johan Franzon's deal just for reasons...
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:02 PM ET
This has always puzzled me. How does a guy who needs that much work with skating get drafted? There aren't other guys who skate better and have equal other skills? Those are probably a rhetorical questions because if there were guys like that, guys like Strome wouldn't get drafted. Still puzzles me, though.
- Scoob


Because three-zone hockey sense is often what separates the wheat from the chaff.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 13 @ 2:04 PM ET
Because three-zone hockey sense is often what separates the wheat from the chaff.
- Tomahawk



Strome is regarded as a strong defensive forward?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
Because three-zone hockey sense is often what separates the wheat from the chaff.
- Tomahawk


This.


It seems that Strome has NHL level hands, size, and hockey sense. And even as he is, he is still a better skater than 90% of the world's population.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:07 PM ET
Strome is regarded as a strong defensive forward?
- MJL


Capable.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 13 @ 2:08 PM ET
I am wondering what was used to dig the 12 foot deep hole (and counting) they found the bodies in. I'm guessing hole was already there and filled in after.
- MBFlyerfan


Who knows, but to kidnap 4 boys, control them, murder them, and then to dispose and do whatever with the remains, as well as dig that hole, is A LOT of work for a 20 year old to do alone all within a week. Maybe even less time depending on when he was in custody and when the bodies were buried.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 13 @ 2:11 PM ET
Strome is regarded as a strong defensive forward?
- MJL


For a guy who skates like he's roller skating in the rain, yeah he does a respectable job of making reads and getting the puck out. Often would play low in his zone, almost like a center.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:12 PM ET
This.


It seems that Strome has NHL level hands, size, and hockey sense. And even as he is, he is still a better skater than 90% of the world's population.

- MBFlyerfan


Yeah, really liked Bill's Holmstrom comparison. I think that's the kind of player they hope Strome will become. Two-way, net front presence.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 13 @ 2:15 PM ET
Because three-zone hockey sense is often what separates the wheat from the chaff.
- Tomahawk


Finding players with NHL wheels is easy. They're dime a dozen. Finding ones with NHL skill is harder, but still not that hard. There are a lot of skilled guys. Finding ones with NHL brainzzzz is the hardest of all. Nothing is as surefire translatable as an intelligent hockey player, and lack of it is the reason most players bust. Which says something about his feet that Strome fell all the way to 106. But put me in the camp where I also don't understand how a kid playing hockey his whole life is so fundamentally poor a skater.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 13 @ 2:31 PM ET
Finding players with NHL wheels is easy. They're dime a dozen. Finding ones with NHL skill is harder, but still not that hard. There are a lot of skilled guys. Finding ones with NHL brainzzzz is the hardest of all. Nothing is as surefire translatable as an intelligent hockey player, and lack of it is the reason most players bust. Which says something about his feet that Strome fell all the way to 106. But put me in the camp where I also don't understand how a kid playing hockey his whole life is so fundamentally poor a skater.
- Mononoke

I am firmly in this camp as well. The younger brother of 2 nhl players/prospects too. Maybe it is one of those brotherly love jokes where they thought it would be funny to teach him the completely wrong way to skate and crush his dream of playing in the NHL. Oh man, that would be hilarious
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 2:40 PM ET
I am firmly in this camp as well. The younger brother of 2 nhl players/prospects too. Maybe it is one of those brotherly love jokes where they thought it would be funny to teach him the completely wrong way to skate and crush his dream of playing in the NHL. Oh man, that would be hilarious
- YuenglingJagr

Especially if he was on the Fl--
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jul 13 @ 2:42 PM ET
Because three-zone hockey sense is often what separates the wheat from the chaff.
- Tomahawk

love a nice farming reference
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 2:43 PM ET
love a nice farming reference
- YuenglingJagr

Hay, I was just about to say that!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:51 PM ET
This.


It seems that Strome has NHL level hands, size, and hockey sense. And even as he is, he is still a better skater than 90% of the world's population.

- MBFlyerfan


And apparently better than 0% of the skaters at camp.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 13 @ 2:52 PM ET
But put me in the camp where I also don't understand how a kid playing hockey his whole life is so fundamentally poor a skater.
- Mononoke


Some people have stupid feet.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:53 PM ET
Finding players with NHL wheels is easy. They're dime a dozen. Finding ones with NHL skill is harder, but still not that hard. There are a lot of skilled guys. Finding ones with NHL brainzzzz is the hardest of all. Nothing is as surefire translatable as an intelligent hockey player, and lack of it is the reason most players bust. Which says something about his feet that Strome fell all the way to 106. But put me in the camp where I also don't understand how a kid playing hockey his whole life is so fundamentally poor a skater.
- Mononoke


this
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 13 @ 2:53 PM ET
Hay, I was just about to say that!
- Giroux_Is_God


I'm just going to plow through this page
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 13 @ 2:55 PM ET
I'm just going to plow through this page
- Scoob

Till you get to page 5?
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 13 @ 2:58 PM ET
HELLO
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jul 13 @ 3:01 PM ET
I am firmly in this camp as well. The younger brother of 2 nhl players/prospects too. Maybe it is one of those brotherly love jokes where they thought it would be funny to teach him the completely wrong way to skate and crush his dream of playing in the NHL. Oh man, that would be hilarious
- YuenglingJagr


Ryan is the smallest of the brothers, maybe the best skater relative lol. Dylan is tall, but was 185lbs at draft day. His skating always was going to be average at best, but he needed mostly muscle/power skating. He's smart and skilled, and being a Couturier type skater isn't a deal breaker in being an impact player. Yet, Matthew is the biggest of them all. He's just under 6'4 and weighs ~207lbs (from the combine). I WISH he could skate like Dylan, but then he would've been a late 1st rounder probably.

But this is a kid with NHL prospect brothers, parents who have spent god knows how much $$ on his hockey career. Matthew is one of the worst skaters I can think of seeing, and there is not a single facet of his skating that isn't degrees of below average.

You see pictures of him from the Trial, shirt off, and you can tell he is not in great shape. Baby fat, zero tone. And he would look gassed on shifts in games. Guess that's a silver lining though in that he can get in good shape, if he wants (and some kids have tougher bodies to get in shape, not saying he's got poor work ethic or anything). That's the easy part.
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