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Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 12 @ 10:03 PM ET
Dude, Hainsey just won a Cup as the Pens #1 dman - he's AWESOME!!!!
- T-Train


Absolutely. He can play 20 minutes a night and log lots of PK time. On left or right side. Improvement.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jul 12 @ 10:06 PM ET
The Jets probably want to avoid Maatta even more than they want to keep Perreault and Little. There's no room on our blueline unless you're a righty who's willing to wait in the press box for a Myers injury.
- Rexypoo

Yeah, I think the Jets throwing a bunch of money at Kulikov ended the Maatta to WPG hopes.
rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: McKees Rocks, PA
Joined: 09.20.2014

Jul 12 @ 10:50 PM ET
Absolutely. He can play 20 minutes a night and log lots of PK time. On left or right side. Improvement.
- Blazed


Hainsey was a train wreck all playoffs and regular season besides a few key plays.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 12 @ 10:52 PM ET
Hainsey was a train wreck all playoffs and regular season besides a few key plays.
- rbaurle51


Dude went coast to coast ....shades of Mario
rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: McKees Rocks, PA
Joined: 09.20.2014

Jul 12 @ 10:59 PM ET
Dude went coast to coast ....shades of Mario
- YouMeAndDupuis9


I about lost all the marbles when he did that.

Hainsey's spirit animal is 66
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 12 @ 11:07 PM ET
Hainsey was a train wreck all playoffs and regular season besides a few key plays.
- rbaurle51


He had a couple of good games. Plus, don't discount him playing on the wrong side. Not that I wanted him back or anything.

rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: McKees Rocks, PA
Joined: 09.20.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:17 PM ET
He had a couple of good games. Plus, don't discount him playing on the wrong side. Not that I wanted him back or anything.
- madmike71


It's just his play making ability. He's so limited to what he can do. That coast to coast was amazing though lol
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 12 @ 11:30 PM ET
Hainsey was a train wreck all playoffs and regular season besides a few key plays.
- rbaurle51


I disagree, and I watched most of the Pens run. A train wreck nearly led your team in playoff ice time? His pairing did.

He also killed more penalties than any other Pen. I understand he's not the fastest guy or has the best hands, and the chip it off the glass play seems to bother people.

Coaches are hardly infallible in their decisions but it amuses me when fans are completely baffled how certain players get the ice-time they get.

I'd be much happier with Hainsey as the steady vet on his natural side on the third pair with a rookie. But he's proven he can play right side effectively getting substantial minutes. The current top 4 he's replacing wouldn't even be allowed on the ice in an ahead by 1 situation.
rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: McKees Rocks, PA
Joined: 09.20.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:44 PM ET
I disagree, and I watched most of the Pens run. A train wreck nearly led your team in playoff ice time? His pairing did.

He also killed more penalties than any other Pen. I understand he's not the fastest guy or has the best hands, and the chip it off the glass play seems to bother people.

Coaches are hardly infallible in their decisions but it amuses me when fans are completely baffled how certain players get the ice-time they get.

I'd be much happier with Hainsey as the steady vet on his natural side on the third pair with a rookie. But he's proven he can play right side effectively getting substantial minutes. The current top 4 he's replacing wouldn't even be allowed on the ice in an ahead by 1 situation.

- Blazed


You're in for a rude awakening if you're expecting hainsey to be good. Hainsey is a turnover machine, he's slow, he only throws the puck off of the wall. How hainsey got as much ice time as he did is just mind baffling and you will find out for yourself. He is a slightly better rob scuderi that doesn't lay down as much.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 12:08 AM ET
You're in for a rude awakening if you're expecting hainsey to be good. Hainsey is a turnover machine, he's slow, he only throws the puck off of the wall. How hainsey got as much ice time as he did is just mind baffling and you will find out for yourself. He is a slightly better rob scuderi that doesn't lay down as much.
- rbaurle51


I wonder what on Earth Sullivan was ever thinking putting him on the ice? I mean I know he had to put someone out there on defense but how could he be so stupid. I just don't understand.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 12:12 AM ET
You're in for a rude awakening if you're expecting hainsey to be good. Hainsey is a turnover machine, he's slow, he only throws the puck off of the wall. How hainsey got as much ice time as he did is just mind baffling and you will find out for yourself. He is a slightly better rob scuderi that doesn't lay down as much.
- rbaurle51


Would you be shocked to learn Dumoulin, Cole and Maata all had more playoff turnovers than your give away machine?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 13 @ 12:14 AM ET
Would you be shocked to learn Dumoulin, Cole and Maata all had more playoff turnovers than your give away machine?
- Blazed

The NHL has this weird tendency of not counting a turnover if it can be construed as a dump or chip off the glass.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 12:15 AM ET
The NHL has this weird tendency of not counting a turnover if it can be construed as a dump or chip off the glass.
- Victoro311


A lot of times these safe plays are why vets get the ice time they do around the league.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 13 @ 12:22 AM ET
Archie and Pouliot both signed to one way contracts... Pouliot at 800k
..isnt that more than Ruhdwel?

I really like what Archibald brings every game. Super fast and for a smaller frame still effectively physical. Decent hands too. Him at 675k is all good with me.

- MattStrat

Not sure either makes the team, but they both need waivers. Think Pouliot needed to be qualified at that higher number.

Maybe Archibald can pass Kuhnhackl for 13th forward if Cullen doesn't sign, but he'd need to play LW and don't know that he kills penalties as well.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 12:54 AM ET
A lot of times these safe plays are why vets get the ice time they do around the league.
- Blazed


I don't consider it a "safe play" when you're just giving the puck right back to other team.
so_buzz11
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Home, PA
Joined: 05.14.2015

Jul 13 @ 12:58 AM ET
Not sure either makes the team, but they both need waivers. Think Pouliot needed to be qualified at that higher number.

Maybe Archibald can pass Kuhnhackl for 13th forward if Cullen doesn't sign, but he'd need to play LW and don't know that he kills penalties as well.

- Tojo.

Maybe, Pouliot will be a sign and trade. Might as well get something for him in a package deal than to lose him early in the season on waivers.

Archibald played PK in the playoffs, so I'm sure the Pens would use him in that role in the regular season if needed.
rbaurle51
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: McKees Rocks, PA
Joined: 09.20.2014

Jul 13 @ 1:05 AM ET
I don't consider it a "safe play" when you're just giving the puck right back to other team.
- j.boyd919


Hainsey is great, stop it. There's actually a video someone posted of him turning the puck over like 7 times in a row.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:08 AM ET
I don't consider it a "safe play" when you're just giving the puck right back to other team.
- j.boyd919


You're also not an NHL coach. I'm not even advocating that exact play but it is an example of a veteran play that gets these type of players trusted to so many even strength minutes.

Hunwick is much of the same.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:10 AM ET
Hainsey is great, stop it. There's actually a video someone posted of him turning the puck over like 7 times in a row.
- rbaurle51


Did you see great anywheres? The hope is he out performs Connor Carrick for the role. The expectations are hardly lofty.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 13 @ 1:25 AM ET
You're also not an NHL coach. I'm not even advocating that exact play but it is an example of a veteran play that gets these type of players trusted to so many even strength minutes.

Hunwick is much of the same.

- Blazed


Every coach, GM, player has their faults. "Veteran play" is ridiculous. It's a turnover. Plain and simple. A give away.
W_1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.10.2017

Jul 13 @ 1:25 AM ET
First of all, Pens fans, Maatta is not getting you Bozak straight up. Bozak is a pretty reliable C who can win faceoffs, chip in points, play PK and PP, and doesn't get enough credit for his defensive play. You don't get this player for Maatta. The Leafs play fast, and they play with pace, Maatta does not profile as a top 4 in our system.

With regards to Hainsey, He's still a good skater for an older player, and Babcock needs a veteran replacement for Hunwick. Basically, Hunwick got 3 years from you, and we gave 2 years to Hainsey. Simple math. I don't necessarily think one is greater than the other, just that we only wanted a 2 year term.

Congrats on the Cup, and good luck with Kessel.

Cheers.
ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rielly wouldn't, crack top 4 on the sens team -PtotheY, SK
Joined: 03.15.2014

Jul 13 @ 1:27 AM ET
Every coach, GM, player has their faults. "Veteran play" is ridiculous. It's a turnover. Plain and simple. A give away.
- j.boyd919

This is correct. I have very small expectations for Hanisey.
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jul 13 @ 1:42 AM ET
Every coach, GM, player has their faults. "Veteran play" is ridiculous. It's a turnover. Plain and simple. A give away.
- j.boyd919


Right so all the NHL coaches are wrong. Got it.
W_1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.10.2017

Jul 13 @ 1:45 AM ET
This is correct. I have very small expectations for Hanisey.
- ClarksonDavid


15 mins a night, including some PK duty.

If we don't get a top 4RD, well then, we may see Hainsey play play 20+ minutes a night with either Rielly or Gardiner...ouch...then Pens fans may tell us "I told you so".

Otherwise, I agree, it's a solid depth sign.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jul 13 @ 1:51 AM ET
I will say that sometimes a chip off the glass is the best play (and often the only play) in order to get a critical clear and hopefully a line change. How often do you see a team hemmed in for a stretch, with gassed players, and there is an opportunity to clear and they try to get cute and/or take too long and the puck ends up staying in the zone even longer? That sucks.

But, for guys like Hainsey and Scuderi, the chip off the glass is their go-to move in just about every situation. That's a problem. Canes fans warned us and he didn't fail to live up to the hype. Same thing when Flyers fans told us that Streit sucks. Sure enough.

It was a truly bizarre playoff run. I still don't know how they managed to get through it.
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