throw in a 5.5 mil arbitration award on top of it
- homiedclown

Well so far, Lehner is the only asset in that trade that's currently an impact NHL player. Until that changes, we won the trade. I'm not tied to him for the long term, but he stabilizes the goalie situation for the short to medium term

Nothing that hurt us so far. KHLer's and AHLers be damned.
- Der Kaiser

aside from eichel, which stevie wonder knew to draft


what did he do?
yeah he had an ok draft class in 2016, but the other 2 draft classes were blah blah blah

I tried to bang Don Stevens
- Der Kaiser

strange comment

neither was I, f@cking arrogant drunk
- homiedclown

us grant liked his liquor too

Well, due to years of lackluster drafting, 2012 I guess was the first useful year we actually got guys from. 2014 is TBD but doesn't look promising. So that gives us 12, 13, 15.. (16/17 exempt from this example).

Sam and Jack skipped the farm essentially. Grigorenko was a bust/trade chip, Girgensons was not drafted for his elite skills or lack thereof, Compher/Zadorov traded. So really the best talent didn't marinate in the AHL. That, combined with the inability to find more quality late rounders has burned the system. Truth be told it looks a lot better today than it did before the 2016 draft.
- TheSabresTaco

^this^

us grant liked his liquor too
- Michael Pachla

He was a bottom 10 president, but probably a damn good time

Well so far, Lehner is the only asset in that trade that's currently an impact NHL player. Until that changes, we won the trade. I'm not tied to him for the long term, but he stabilizes the goalie situation for the short to medium term
- jcragcrumple

Travis Konecny, Colin White,
Ilya Samsonov, Noah Juulsen
Jeremy Roy, Sebastian Aho


one of those would have served us better IMO long term

Travis Konecny, Colin White,
Ilya Samsonov, Noah Juulsen
Jeremy Roy, Sebastian Aho


one of those would have served us better IMO long term
- homiedclown

Yeah, who knows who we would have picked so it's mostly a speculative exercise, but if you look at it as drafting a goalie with a .920 save percentage, it's not a bad use of murrancy

no, he was handed a wet dream with picks, prospects


the only d man, developed that is fringe ready under him is guhle
really no other blue chip d prospects, cept for maybe borgen

overpaid for fasching in a trade, has done nothing
overpaid for lehner
gave away a lot of picks with nothing to show cept kane and ror

missed the boat on kulikov, maybe asplund can salvage that trade

moulson and bogo contracts hurt us
okposo may long term

after 3 and a half seasons, we were not close to sniffing the playoffs and got worse this past season




the good, he locked ror up for 7 years
of course the first year of that deal was a waste
- homiedclown

two things:

--Brayden mcnabb is barreling towards fringe nhl status and is now with an expansion team
--kane and o'reilly are top six players


and...

just an fyi...

randy sexton drafted and signed Dmitry Kulikov....

oh, and btw, he was selected on pick behind zack kassian

Yeah. The Gorges trade and the Moulson deal is what hurts us most at the moment imo
- jcragcrumple

gorges and Moulson were brought on board for veteran leadership with thoughts they'd contribute after the tank...unfortunately, the latter half never came to fruition

He was a bottom 10 president, but probably a damn good time
- jcragcrumple

helped save the union

two things:

--Brayden mcnabb is barreling towards fringe nhl status and is now with an expansion team
--kane and o'reilly are top six players


and...

just an fyi...

randy sexton drafted and signed Dmitry Kulikov....

oh, and btw, he was selected on pick behind zack kassian
- Michael Pachla

And Hudson Fasching has proven exactly zilch three years later.

So that sounds like it would have been a fair 1 for 1 swap to me. Instead of, you know giving them 2 2nd rounders on top of that.

Anyone here excited about Cliff Pu or Brendan Guhle, cannot in their right mind defend the multiple 1sts, 2nd's and 3rd's moved by Murray

Travis Konecny, Colin White,
Ilya Samsonov, Noah Juulsen
Jeremy Roy, Sebastian Aho


one of those would have served us better IMO long term
- homiedclown

time will tell...

lehner's an nhl starter, for a comparable we're looking for one of those to at least become a top-six forward or top-four d-man

helped save the union
- Michael Pachla

I'm more of a TR man. The trust busting, park making rogue

And Hudson Fasching has proven exactly zilch three years later.

So that sounds like it would have been a fair 1 for 1 swap to me. Instead of, you know giving them 2 2nd rounders on top of that.

Anyone here excited about Cliff Pu or Brendan Guhle, cannot in their right mind defend the multiple 1sts, 2nd's and 3rd's moved by Murray
- sbroads24

mcnabb is five years older than Fasching, and those two second rounders were la's picks we received in the robyn regehr trade...

as for the last comment, the old saying goes, a bird in the hand (o'reilly, kane, Lehner) is worth two in the bush (all those draft picks)

I'm more of a TR man. The trust busting, park making rogue


- jcragcrumple

he was a bad man, but his rough riders woulda had a tough time against Robert e lee

mcnabb is five years older than Fasching, and those two second rounders were la's picks we received in the robyn regehr trade...

as for the last comment, the old saying goes, a bird in the hand (o'reilly, kane, Lehner) is worth two in the bush (all those draft picks)
- Michael Pachla

O'Reilly yes, other two no

he was a bad man, but his rough riders woulda had a tough time against Robert e lee
- Michael Pachla

US Grant was the Derek Grant of that war. You don't want to keep putting him back in, you just have no better option

he was a bad man, but his rough riders woulda had a tough time against Robert e lee
- Michael Pachla

Lee was a superior executive officer to any Union general, but he was not provided sufficient resources to sustain the war. He has a smaller population to draw an army from, and once the naval blockade impaired the south's ability to export raw materials, its economy began to wither. Add to that the reality that the battles occurred on southern soil and largely decimated the agriculture that might have otherwise sustained the rebel forces, and it was just a pure battle of attrition.

**frequent Gettysburg visitor and avid Civil War reader

O'Reilly yes, other two no
- sbroads24

I get it...but i'm in more of a wait and see mode...again, if one of the picks traded away ends up being as good as or better than the player murray traded for, i'm with ya...

just too early to tell

Lee was a superior executive officer to any Union general, but he was not provided sufficient resources to sustain the war. He has a smaller population to draw an army from, and once the naval blockade impaired the south's ability to export raw materials, its economy began to wither. Add to that the reality that the battles occurred on southern soil and largely decimated the agriculture that might have otherwise sustained the rebel forces, and it was just a pure battle of attrition.

**frequent Gettysburg visitor and avid Civil War reader
- Der Kaiser

but I don't think lee ever carried a big stick...did he?

two things:

--Brayden mcnabb is barreling towards fringe nhl status and is now with an expansion team
--kane and o'reilly are top six players


and...

just an fyi...

randy sexton drafted and signed Dmitry Kulikov....

oh, and btw, he was selected on pick behind zack kassian
- Michael Pachla

you gave up 2 second rd picks as well for fasching, he should be already a fixture on the 3rd line by now

time will tell...

lehner's an nhl starter, for a comparable we're looking for one of those to at least become a top-six forward or top-four d-man
- Michael Pachla

I would not be shocked if lehner gets 6 mil in arbitration

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Yeah, who knows who we would have picked so it's mostly a speculative exercise, but if you look at it as drafting a goalie with a .920 save percentage, it's not a bad use of murrancy
- jcragcrumple

Agree If we drafted a goalie in spot that had a 920 sv% and played like Lehner has no one, would be complaining, Lehner trade does not bother me in least.