I must be missing something, can someone tell me why the cap thing is an issue right now? Aren't Lupul and Horton going to LTIR? Doesn't that free up a butt ton of space? Or is it just the timing of when they are eligible for LTIR and when the leafs have to be cap compliant?
- mgriffen

if I recall they would have to put a few waiver eligible players down to the Marlies before the season begins to open up space, then they could resign Brown and then once noon hits that day they LTIR lupul and robidas and then bring those kids back from the Marlies (I may be wrong, I cant remember exactly).

In a nutshell:

You can go 10% over the cap in the summer.

BUT

You can't put anyone on the Marlies in the summer to take money off the cap, nor can you put anyone on LTIR in the summer to take money off the cap.

So there's nowhere to hide certain salaries.

Like Horton and Lupul, as two examples.
- Atomic Wedgie

and there it is.

Far from being a poop player. Maybe you don't like young hard working grinders. Hobey Baker award finalist, second in the league in short handed goals in his rookie season, good skater, strong on the puck. Compared to Matthews, yes a poop player, compared to Alexander Steen, excellent.
- winsix

I like young, hard working grinders, but you can get them at the dollar store.

His 4 SHG are cool, but it means he only scored 6 at even strength, while playing at times with Matthews, and he had the 4th highest ESTOI of any Leafs forward.

That's simply not enough.

In a nutshell:

You can go 10% over the cap in the summer.

BUT

You can't put anyone on the Marlies in the summer to take money off the cap, nor can you put anyone on LTIR in the summer to take money off the cap.

So there's nowhere to hide certain salaries.

Like Horton and Lupul, as two examples.
- Atomic Wedgie

Much obliged

(frank) that...
Save that dough for Thornton, Iginla, Doan or Jagr!
- .HOHO.

Why is Fehr even a leaf? Everyone said he was only picked up cause he would go to vegas forsure

I must be missing something, can someone tell me why the cap thing is an issue right now? Aren't Lupul and Horton going to LTIR? Doesn't that free up a butt ton of space? Or is it just the timing of when they are eligible for LTIR and when the leafs have to be cap compliant?
- mgriffen

Their contracts count towards the cap during the summer and cant be put on ltir until the season starts. Thats why they allow the 10% overage during the summer. Have fa8th in this mngmt group. There is no salary cap for mngmt hence why leafs went out and spent the money for top guys. Deal will get done with brown, i am not worried about it. The fact that Lou keeps everything tight lipped makes it hard to anticipate any moves or believe any rumors. October can't come any quicker. Just cant wait.

Why is Fehr even a leaf?
- ClarksonDavid

help out the coaching staff?

Winnipeg is rumored to shopping defensemen, not acquiring them. They signed Kulikov, so they might be moving Myers or even Trouba out.
- mikeinbuffalo

Kulikov was a bad signing...but it was done to fill a hole on D.
Why would they create the same hole only larger???

Toronto's future doesn't depend on Connor Brown.
That being said, he's a serviceable player, and seems like a nice guy.
Too many games invisible though last season - still young so let's hope he'll improve his consistency.
He can sign for 4 years, @2.8mln per year.

I like young, hard working grinders, but you can get them at the dollar store.

His 4 SHG are cool, but it means he only scored 6 at even strength, while playing at times with Matthews, and he had the 4th highest ESTOI of any Leafs forward.

That's simply not enough.
- Atomic Wedgie

This. He's a useful bottom 6 player who can kill penalties. Nothing more, nothing less.

Kulikov was a bad signing...but it was done to fill a hole on D.
Why would they create the same hole only larger???
- stormey

Chevy likes big holes?

Their contracts count towards the cap during the summer and cant be put on ltir until the season starts. Thats why they allow the 10% overage during the summer. Have fa8th in this mngmt group. There is no salary cap for mngmt hence why leafs went out and spent the money for top guys. Deal will get done with brown, i am not worried about it. The fact that Lou keeps everything tight lipped makes it hard to anticipate any moves or believe any rumors. October can't come any quicker. Just cant wait.
- devias69

Thanks, yeah I'm not worried about Brown either. They would do something like trade Bozak away for peanuts if there was no other way to sign Brown. Don't think they will, but I think they're committed to getting it done.

Myers value is at an all-time low, Cheveldayoff has a reputation for being nearly impossible to deal with. Supposedly refused significant offers for Trouba from the Bruins. I don't see an easy opportuntiy for the Leafs to trade with the Jets.
- winsix

By the end of they year, Trouba was their number 1 Defenseman.
Unless Trouba has reiterated his trade request (no idea if he has), why would the Jets trade him? There is a reason the B's made (supposedly) made a significant offer.

I like young, hard working grinders, but you can get them at the dollar store.

His 4 SHG are cool, but it means he only scored 6 at even strength, while playing at times with Matthews, and he had the 4th highest ESTOI of any Leafs forward.

That's simply not enough.
- Atomic Wedgie

he'll get 20+ goals on Matthews line coming season, Wedgie.

he'll get 20+ goals on Matthews line coming season, Wedgie.


- MaximusAurelius

Only if Matthews banks 10 off of him. You've seen him shoot, right?

EDIT: Matthews could do it if he was feeling generous.

I like young, hard working grinders, but you can get them at the dollar store.

His 4 SHG are cool, but it means he only scored 6 at even strength, while playing at times with Matthews, and he had the 4th highest ESTOI of any Leafs forward.

That's simply not enough.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree with you. Hyman should be on the fourth line on this team. He is certainly good enough to be on a checking fourth line. This team should have 3 good scoring lines, having a grinder like Hyman is an asset for the fourth line. Look at Bob Gainey - scored 20 goals 4 times in a 16 year career, when there was much, much more scoring than today - couldn't hit the net if it was the size of a barn, yet he is revered as an all time great. And Gainey lead the Habs in ESTOI for many seasons for forwards.

Why is Fehr even a leaf? Everyone said he was only picked up cause he would go to vegas forsure
- ClarksonDavid

People got this one wrong.

The intent was never for the Knights to select him.

There were a lot of weird "ifs and buts" surrounding the rules of who you could protect and not protect.

Everyone focused on who you could protect - but what is relevant here is who you had to expose:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

Simply put, the Leafs needed to have Fehr on the roster, because it allowed them to fulfill requirement ii (above), instead of exposing someone they didn't want to lose.

All the Leafs have are dime a dozen players...surprised they won a single game.

Except the big 3 MNM

People got this one wrong.

The intent was never for the Knights to select him.

There were a lot of weird "ifs and buts" surrounding the rules of who you could protect and not protect.

Everyone focused on who you could protect - but what is relevant here is who you had to expose:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

Simply put, the Leafs needed to have Fehr on the roster, because it allowed them to fulfill requirement b (above), instead of exposing someone they didn't want to lose.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeap. There was a few other deals like this.

Only if Matthews banks 10 off of him. You've seen him shoot, right?

EDIT: Matthews could do it if he was feeling generous.
- Jeffmt

1 year in the league and zero room for improvement...plus most of the lineups i've seen have him as the 12th forward or spare.

1 year in the league and zero room for improvement...plus most of the lineups i've seen have him as the 12th forward or spare.
- annoyed

He doesn't exactly have a history of being a sniper:

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=121460

Far from being a poop player. Maybe you don't like young hard working grinders. Hobey Baker award finalist, second in the league in short handed goals in his rookie season, good skater, strong on the puck. Compared to Matthews, yes a poop player, compared to Alexander Steen, excellent.
- winsix

he's basically a league minimum type player that's now being paid over 2 mil

dime a dozen

He doesn't exactly have a history of being a sniper:

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=121460
- Atomic Wedgie

Doesn't need to be a sniper...but by the looks of it he's scored some goals.

I don't mind him...hopefully if he's slotted in beside Matthews again he has a little better year.

People got this one wrong.

The intent was never for the Knights to select him.

There were a lot of weird "ifs and buts" surrounding the rules of who you could protect and not protect.

Everyone focused on who you could protect - but what is relevant here is who you had to expose:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

Simply put, the Leafs needed to have Fehr on the roster, because it allowed them to fulfill requirement ii (above), instead of exposing someone they didn't want to lose.
- Atomic Wedgie

Fehr is only a $2 million cap hit and is only 31. There is logic in assuming that LV would have interest in him. McPhee drafted Fehr, and also later acquired him in a trade - so there would be a legitimate interest in a centre that has a low cap hit. The fact that inferior centres like Deharnais and Holland were able find work easily, makes it a reasonable expectation that he will be moved to a team needing a centre. LV makes sense because the Leafs have interest in Colin Miller.