Worth it.


Was it worth it in 1984?
- TheSabresTaco

Purely fictional.

Hey Pach, I asked on a previous page, but everything I google says that the award must be 3.5 million or higher before a team van walk away from a ruling. Do you know if that's accurate.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...ogy-arbitration-part.html

https://www.wingingitinmo...cba-arbitration-boolsheet
- markyjoe

i believe capfriendly has it at higher than $4M and change before a team can walk away from a ruling

Here’s what Sabres GM Jason Botterill had to say about Lehner, courtesy of TBN:

“Obviously, it still continues to be a feeling-out process for myself and Robin trying to get to know each other, but we’ve had a good couple conversations, and Craig Oster [Lehner’s agent] and I have a very good relationship. We’ve worked on many a deal together, and I certainly have a firm belief that we’ll get something done here over the next month or so.”

https://www.diebytheblade...n-to-file-for-arbitration

i believe capfriendly has it at higher than $4M and change before a team can walk away from a ruling
- Michael Pachla

Thanks. So that means the Sabres can not walk away from Larsson's at all?

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/07/capology-arbitration-part.html

As stated above, this list is subject to certain restrictions. The CBA prohibits parties from introducing or using the following:

any contract signed outside restricted free agency, including one signed after a team exercises a walk-away right;

From my understanding, this means that any contract signed by a UFA cannot be used to determine what a comparable contract would be, correct? If this is accurate, then I would not expect Lehner to get more than $3m. The highest RFA goalie contract currently is Mrazek at $4m. Then Murray at $3.75m, Vasilevskiy at $3.5m, Gibson at $2.3m and Domingue at $1.05m. If you average the top 5 RFA goalie contracts that would come to $2.93m. Drop the #1 and #5 and it goes up to around $3.1m. I would be ok with anything between $3-3.5m.
- adambuffalo

thing is, lehner's salary last year was 3.15m...i can't see him and his rep accepting anything less...i'd imagine that a solid year as a bona fide start has them seeing a number well above $3M

Thanks. So that means the Sabres can not walk away from Larsson's at all?
- markyjoe

as far as i know, yes...but then again, legalese is not my specialty, nor will i ever claim it is

thing is, lehner's salary last year was 3.15m...i can't see him and his rep accepting anything less...i'd imagine that a solid year as a bona fide start has them seeing a number well above $3M
- Michael Pachla

How many RFA years does he have left? 2 I think?

The Davis Payne hire is a good one.

The Davis Payne hire is a good one.
- SABRES 89

Curious, why do you feel so?
I don't know much about him other than what I read yesterday and today

Purely fictional.
- Der Kaiser

My question is not fictional

How is Larsson a going to arbitration "head scratcher"? If my qualifying offer is that low, arbitration is a no-brainer. I can only get more. I can't lose. He'd be an idiot not to go to arbitration.

Curious, why do you feel so?
I don't know much about him other than what I read yesterday and today
- IonSabres

His team was a tire fire until Hitchpig came in. And LA are the Kings of Boring. We'll see how he handles the offense. I'm cautiously optimistic.

as far as i know, yes...but then again, legalese is not my specialty, nor will i ever claim it is
- Michael Pachla

Cool. Understand. Obviously I'm in the same boat.


But if that clause is true, and they can't walk away, I think it's safe to say both he and Beaulieu will definitely be here and Lehrer is 50/50 on a one year, if he asks for two he is here for at least this season then.

How is Larsson a going to arbitration "head scratcher"? If my qualifying offer is that low, arbitration is a no-brainer. I can only get more. I can't lose. He'd be an idiot not to go to arbitration.
- buffalofan19

good point...sabres will probably come in at $1M and they'll have a good shot at winning...he'll get an extra $2,500

Cool. Understand. Obviously I'm in the same boat.


But if that clause is true, and they can't walk away, I think it's safe to say both he and Beaulieu will definitely be here and Lehrer is 50/50 on a one year, if he asks for two he is here for at least this season then.
- markyjoe

yuppers...

nearly all arb cases never make it to the arbitrator

good point...sabres will probably come in at $1M and they'll have a good shot at winning...he'll get an extra $2,500
- Michael Pachla

Maybe he's got his eyes on a 2004 Kia sportage that he really, really wants

Maybe he's got his eyes on a 2004 Kia sportage that he really, really wants
- jcragcrumple

can't believe i didn't think of that

yuppers...

nearly all arb cases never make it to the arbitrator
- Michael Pachla

Agreed. Last year one I think, 2015 was zero I believe

good point...sabres will probably come in at $1M and they'll have a good shot at winning...he'll get an extra $2,500
- Michael Pachla

Like I said, he can't lose. He either gets what he's tendered, or he gets more. If I could have a third party decide that my employer either needs to continue paying me what I am making now or more (and not less) at no cost to myself, I am doing that every time.

I guess there is a risk that my GM has an ego the size of Texas and can get butthurt rather easily (see Darcy Regier and Tim Kennedy), and can walk away, but I just don't see that being the case here, unless he gets awarded something stupid like $2.5 million.

Like I said, he can't lose. He either gets what he's tendered, or he gets more. If I could have a third party decide that my employer either needs to continue paying me what I am making now or more (and not less) at no cost to myself, I am doing that every time.

I guess there is a risk that my GM has an ego the size of Texas and can get butthurt rather easily (see Darcy Regier and Tim Kennedy), and can walk away, but I just don't see that being the case here, unless he gets awarded something stupid like $2.5 million.
- buffalofan19

sometimes the return isn't worth the hassle

How many RFA years does Lehner have left?

Is it 1 or 2?

sometimes the return isn't worth the hassle
- Michael Pachla

what else does he have to do..

Like I said, he can't lose. He either gets what he's tendered, or he gets more. If I could have a third party decide that my employer either needs to continue paying me what I am making now or more (and not less) at no cost to myself, I am doing that every time.

I guess there is a risk that my GM has an ego the size of Texas and can get butthurt rather easily (see Darcy Regier and Tim Kennedy), and can walk away, but I just don't see that being the case here, unless he gets awarded something stupid like $2.5 million.
- buffalofan19

it's a non story

can't believe it's getting so many posts


if he gets an extra 300 k, good for him


300 k means nothing to a ror, okposo, risto type player
300k is stability long and short term for a player like larsson, like an extra 30k to us "working folks"

gerbe excluded

Thanks. So that means the Sabres can not walk away from Larsson's at all?
- markyjoe

no they can't...... but they can buy him out a'la TK

what else does he have to do..
- IndianaSabresFan

i don't know...what do they do in Sweden during the summer?