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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 6 @ 10:17 AM ET
The last time a Markov was on the Flyers blueline it worked out tremendously. That fleecing of the Canes back in 2004.
- PLindbergh31


HOMER TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS AGAIN!
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 6 @ 10:18 AM ET
HOMER TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS AGAIN!
- PhillySportsGuy

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 6 @ 10:18 AM ET
As much as I'd like Markov in place of Amac, I feel if Hexy really wanted to trade Amac that it would have already happened by now. Not to say he doesn't want to, but I feel he's tried and just hasn't found success. I mean if Hexy really wanted a "veteran" to fill for a 1 or 2 year deal, we could have just kept MDZ, who'd be cheaper than Markov.
- arichardson22


Maybe he wants to, but doesn't want to retain 3 years worth of salary. I don't think Markov is coming here unless someone takes AMac without salary retention.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:20 AM ET
Maybe he wants to, but doesn't want to retain 3 years worth of salary.
- jmatchett383


I should have included he doesn't want to retain x% of salary with hasn't found success. But that's my point, if Hexy was comfortable with retaining I feel he'd be shipped out already
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 6 @ 10:25 AM ET
I should have included he doesn't want to retain x% of salary with hasn't found success. But that's my point, if Hexy was comfortable with retaining I feel he'd be shipped out already
- arichardson22


Agreed. However, I don't think MDZ was a viable option. He's a bottom-pair guy who doesn't really excel at anything.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 6 @ 10:26 AM ET
I wonder if Hexy breaks Holmgrens balls about that AMac contract when they are drinking Mooseheads at the Skatezone.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 6 @ 10:33 AM ET
I wonder if Hexy breaks Holmgrens balls about that AMac contract when they are drinking Mooseheads at the Skatezone.
- MBFlyerfan


It's probably the other way around.

Hextall: I'd love to sign a vet D man to supplement the kids

Homer: What's wrong can't find a way to deal with the parting gift I left for you?

Hextall: *grabs goalie stick* come here Paul.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 6 @ 10:34 AM ET
The last time a Markov was on the Flyers blueline it worked out tremendously. That fleecing of the Canes back in 2004.
- PLindbergh31


Without Danny Markov, the Flyers don't get to within a game of the Cup Final in 2004. He was an absolute warrior -- on a banged-up blueline down the stretch and throughout the playoff run. The additions of Markov and Malakhov were huge for the Flyers at the time.

Conversely, they were very deep at forward and the injury-prone (set back two major injuries at that point in his career) Williams was expendable. Also keep in mind that the Flyers had Jeff Carter and Mike Richards in the system from the 2003 draft and also added R.J. Umberger's rights in that general time frame.

Obviously, in the long term, the Flyers missed Williams, who has gone on to be a valuable piece on Cup teams and Cup contenders. Markov was only here for a short time because of the implementation of the salary cap after the lockout plus some off-ice concerns with Danny that got worse during the year of no NHL hockey.

At the time it was made, though, it was a helpful trade for the Flyers. You have to look at the whole context of a trade.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:35 AM ET
HOMER TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS AGAIN!
- PhillySportsGuy


Clarke made that trade.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 6 @ 10:37 AM ET
I wonder if Hexy breaks Holmgrens balls about that AMac contract when they are drinking Mooseheads at the Skatezone.
- MBFlyerfan


Nope, because it was actually the first big-club contract that Hexy was involved in directly negotiating in the weeks leading up to him being named the new GM to replace Homer. Hexy was fully on board with the deal.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:40 AM ET
Nope, because it was actually the first big-club contract that Hexy was involved in directly negotiating in the weeks leading up to him being named the new GM to replace Homer. Hexy was fully on board with the deal.
- bmeltzer



This makes me shudder!

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:40 AM ET
Nope, because it was actually the first big-club contract that Hexy was involved in directly negotiating in the weeks leading up to him being named the new GM to replace Homer. Hexy was fully on board with the deal.
- bmeltzer


Beginners luck
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 6 @ 10:40 AM ET
Nope, because it was actually the first big-club contract that Hexy was involved in directly negotiating in the weeks leading up to him being named the new GM to replace Homer. Hexy was fully on board with the deal.
- bmeltzer




So its up to us to break their balls then!
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 6 @ 10:40 AM ET
Clarke made that trade.
- PLindbergh31


Thank you. Only thing I remember about Clarke was that trade.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:42 AM ET
Beginners luck
- Just5


StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jul 6 @ 10:47 AM ET
This makes me shudder!


- ggunky


Lesson learned hopefully.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:49 AM ET
I'd have said "you're joking, right?" because it is a very famous film for just the reasons you mention.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:51 AM ET
Thank you. Only thing I remember about Clarke was that trade.
- Streit2ThePoint

Yeah what else did he do? A career of ineptitude I bet.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 6 @ 10:53 AM ET
Yeah what else did he do? A career of ineptitude I bet.
- Baxter27


I bet Team Negative can verify that
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:53 AM ET
If the Flyers were actually willing to throw MacDonald or Manning in the AHL and use the other as a 7th dman, I'd be in favor of signing Markov, but only to a 1 year deal. He'd improve the defense and be a nice trade chip at the deadline if the Flyers are out of contention.

Regardless, it seems unlikely the Flyers had any interest. Markov appears to be using them as leverage. Flyers would need to move salary like Filppula or Read to afford him anyway.

- PhillySportsGuy



They would need to clear more than what sending MacDonald down would give them. I'd only do it if they can clear MacDonald and a veteran forward to clear the cap space needed.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:53 AM ET
I wonder if Hexy breaks Holmgrens balls about that AMac contract when they are drinking Mooseheads at the Skatezone.
- MBFlyerfan

Homer doesn't drink.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jul 6 @ 10:56 AM ET
I'd have said "you're joking, right?" because it is a very famous film for just the reasons you mention.
- bodiva88


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 6 @ 10:58 AM ET
Homer doesn't drink.
- bodiva88



Perhaps he should have started after that deal.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 6 @ 11:00 AM ET
Perhaps he should have started after that deal.

- MBFlyerfan


Probably not the best of ideas for someone who has battled alcohol abuse.
I've been tough on Holmgren as far as his job as a GM. Give him a lot of credit for being able to battle that disease. Not easy.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 6 @ 11:01 AM ET
Probably not the best of ideas for someone who has battled alcohol abuse.
I've been tough on Holmgren as far as his job as a GM. Give him a lot of credit for being able to battle that disease. Not easy.

- PLindbergh31



For sure.
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