I wasn't looking at them being UFAs next year, so that was kind of short sighted on my part. Potentially bargaining with TOR considering they are almost $4 mil over the cap right now, but I see what you're saying.
Definitely missed the boat with Gagner - Rocco115Pitt
Toronto has $10.5 mil in LTIR, so they are really $6.5 under the cap.
As for Bozak being an UFA next year, this is why trading Horny for him makes so much sense as he is also an UFA next year. But it will depend on what Sheary gets, who Toronto wants (if either, both, neither). Who knows, maybe JR has no intention of trading Horny. We could speculate all day and in the end it will probably be something out of left field.
I'm not too broken up about losing out on Gagner. He would be good for a 4C, but I think the Pens can and should do better for 3C.
Sheary for Athanasiou would be a start in case we don't like Conor's asking price - Barnaby36
I'd do this regardless of Sheary's asking price. They are very similar players but AA plays center and can be a home run hitter. Sheary has produced when being set up by Crosby but I love I guy like AA who can take a loose puck and turn it into a breakaway goal.
Toronto has $10.5 mil in LTIR, so they are really $6.5 under the cap.
As for Bozak being an UFA next year, this is why trading Horny for him makes so much sense as he is also an UFA next year. But it will depend on what Sheary gets, who Toronto wants (if either, both, neither). Who knows, maybe JR has no intention of trading Horny. We could speculate all day and in the end it will probably be something out of left field.
I'm not too broken up about losing out on Gagner. He would be good for a 4C, but I think the Pens can and should do better for 3C. - T-Train
Having LTIR isn't an immediate gain though. The team has to be cap compliant at a certain date before the season starts. LTIR only starts after the season start. So I'm thinking there could be a few contracts they send down but that would only cover a small amount. How do you get 10.5m off the books without losing anyone?
We could speculate all day and in the end it will probably be something out of left field. - T-Train
> more than likely. When's the last time any trade or FA acquisition went through that anyone saw coming? Who here saw Reaves as a Penguin? That's what I thought. Speculation talk is kinda as pointless as sitting around discussing what we'd do if we hit the Powerball lottery. Everyone has grand ideas but does it matter since none of us actually will?
Having LTIR isn't an immediate gain though. The team has to be cap compliant at a certain date before the season starts. LTIR only starts after the season start. So I'm thinking there could be a few contracts they send down but that would only cover a small amount. How do you get 10.5m off the books without losing anyone? - Aussiepenguin
Yeah, I wasn't sure how they'll handle that. I would like to think they'd trade at least one bigger contract (TB, or JVR) and send some players down, but they wouldn't be able to get anything other than picks or a prospect because they'd be adding salary again, so the whole Horny for Bozak trade makes no sense on their end.
Having LTIR isn't an immediate gain though. The team has to be cap compliant at a certain date before the season starts. LTIR only starts after the season start. So I'm thinking there could be a few contracts they send down but that would only cover a small amount. How do you get 10.5m off the books without losing anyone? - Aussiepenguin
Actually found this on Leafsnation as it applied to last season:
Players can not be placed on long-term injured reserve until after training camps have ended. That means that during the off-season, including training camp, players like Stephane Robidas have their full cap hit count towards the league’s upper limit. They can only be placed on LTIR once the season has started (which is one reason teams often perform a lot of roster moves on paper in the final day or two of training camp).
To accommodate for the fact that rosters are more fluid in the off-season, the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows teams to go temporarily over the salary cap by up to 10% of the upper limit until the last day of training camp. This means that teams must become salary cap compliant before they can place players on LTIR since the injury exception to the cap does not come into effect until the season has started. That could cause problems for a team like the Leafs if they intend to spend near the salary cap and can’t (or don’t want to) pass sufficient salary through waivers.
I guess they could send down Fehr and any number of other players and get under the cap easily enough. Fehr would have to clear but that probably wouldn't be a problem.
How in the world are Reaves and Doan "peers?" Doan is an old power forward. Reaves is a younger energy/enforcer guy. They're not comparable. Here's the noteworthy chart for this comparison:
- hardnosed
they're both peers because their both NHL players and Doan is a better hockey player than Reaves.
Reeves chart shows a guy who can suppress shots. For the worst offensive guy on the team it is fine. If it Reeves might kick in 7 goals next year versus maybe 13 from whoever else we would put on that line. It's fine. And if it makes Crosby feel safer or even eliminates a little then Crosby will kick in far more production than what Reeves costs. It's not like we are adding a well-ages Craig Adams. Reeves is a good defensive forward who gives a little offense and a lot of protection. I haven't seen reeves play but I'm assuming from what I've heard that we added a smarter Tom Wilson. Wilson seems to take out 1 or 2 pwnguins every playoffs so keeping him in line alone is enough. - sditulli
Actually found this on Leafsnation as it applied to last season:
Players can not be placed on long-term injured reserve until after training camps have ended. That means that during the off-season, including training camp, players like Stephane Robidas have their full cap hit count towards the league’s upper limit. They can only be placed on LTIR once the season has started (which is one reason teams often perform a lot of roster moves on paper in the final day or two of training camp).
To accommodate for the fact that rosters are more fluid in the off-season, the Collective Bargaining Agreement allows teams to go temporarily over the salary cap by up to 10% of the upper limit until the last day of training camp. This means that teams must become salary cap compliant before they can place players on LTIR since the injury exception to the cap does not come into effect until the season has started. That could cause problems for a team like the Leafs if they intend to spend near the salary cap and can’t (or don’t want to) pass sufficient salary through waivers. - NJPensfan
So they can get 10% off straight away, that leaves a fair few waiver eligible contracts to pass through with the rest.
I wonder which 'inflated' contracts they want off - as you said it will have to be for futures though. Would 2 be too many? JR waiting on a nice juicy C to fall from the TO tree of life!
Well good luck, hope the pens dont miss a step - nelson911
Tocchet openly said he wanted to be a HC again. It sucks for him that he's going to the Yotes, but I guess you take any offer and hope you prove your worth.
If he makes them into a playoff team, he can probably sell himself anywhere in the league for big bucks.
Love the guy. One of my favorite all time players. As tough as they come and could pot 40.
It doesn't matter that Ryan Reaves can fight if there's nobody out there for him TO fight.
How many other scrappers are there in the Metro Division? One? - BINGO!
Cooling off Dubinsky and Wilson is all he needs to do.
It's not about staged fights - there aren't really any true goons left in the game, which is why Reaves is at the top of the heap as a functional hockey player who will beat the crap out of you.
