This.
- sbroads24

Well that's your opinion

And on the other end...
there's the GM who built back to back Cup winners... smart guy, no?
What about Toronto's braintrust who signed Matt Martin last year?
Or even the dipsh!t running Edmonton...

I'm sure there's other examples as well


You wanna dismiss decisions made by successful organizations?
That's your perogative I guess

The only thing I can't wait to see is when Crosby pulls the poop he'll still pull what the excuse will be now. It used to be "justified" because he was abused so much and no one stood up for him. Now that he's got a bodyguard he's got no excuse for the stick work/embellishment/straight up diving.
- Wetbandit1

Meh... zero f#cks given over here

Not saying you're wrong, I just don't care
It is what it is

We don't know yet. If we knew, these decisions would be a lot clearer.
- sbroads24

Maybe we do though?

Not saying we can see the future...
but you'd think we'd have tried to acquire such a defenseman this offseason

Or at the very least, know what it would cost to do so

With the defense group Pitt just won with...
does J Botts even think it's necessary to bring in a high priced defenseman?


Again...
lots of ways to build a winner

Well that's your opinion

And on the other end...
there's the GM who built back to back Cup winners... smart guy, no?
What about Toronto's braintrust who signed Matt Martin last year?
Or even the dipsh!t running Edmonton...

I'm sure there's other examples as well


You wanna dismiss decisions made by successful organizations?
That's your perogative I guess
- jdfitz77

isnt assuming these decisions are smart just appealing to authority?

Maybe we do though?

Not saying we can see the future...
but you'd think we'd have tried to acquire such a defenseman this offseason

Or at the very least, know what it would cost to do so

With the defense group Pitt just won with...
does J Botts even think it's necessary to bring in a high priced defenseman?


Again...
lots of ways to build a winner
- jdfitz77

considering we dont have crosby/malkin my guess is probably

Well that's your opinion

And on the other end...
there's the GM who built back to back Cup winners... smart guy, no?
What about Toronto's braintrust who signed Matt Martin last year?
Or even the dipsh!t running Edmonton...

I'm sure there's other examples as well


You wanna dismiss decisions made by successful organizations?
That's your perogative I guess
- jdfitz77

So that means he is impervious to bad decisions?

I guess that's your prerogative

isnt assuming these decisions are smart just appealing to authority?
- Sabresfan-365

I didn't say they were "smart" though

But the facts are...
in 2 of the 3 cases I stated, they were made by ppl that are regarded as smart

So did smart guys make bad decisions?
Maybe, maybe not

And it'll be hard to statistically show one way or the other
How do u quantify Crosby's piece of mind?
Maybe he asked for a "Lucic" type player be HE feels it'll get guys off him
Wouldn't that be enough reason to make a move?

considering we dont have crosby/malkin my guess is probably
- Sabresfan-365

What do we think Jack comes in at? My guess is $8M-$9M depending on term. More if more term(takes him through more UFA time hence the higher cost), less if less. I think the team probably wants a max deal term wise. It makes the most sense.

I didn't say they were "smart" though

But the facts are...
in 2 of the 3 cases I stated, they were made by ppl that are regarded as smart

So did smart guys make bad decisions?
Maybe, maybe not

And it'll be hard to statistically show one way or the other
How do u quantify Crosby's piece of mind?
Maybe he asked for a "Lucic" type player be HE feels it'll get guys off him
Wouldn't that be enough reason to make a move?
- jdfitz77

its certainly possible, but they could have found a 13th fwd in FA. i just find it odd they had to pay actual assets to acquire this particular fourth liner.

What do we think Jack comes in at? My guess is $8M-$9M depending on term. More if more term(takes him through more UFA time hence the higher cost), less if less. I think the team probably wants a max deal term wise. It makes the most sense.
- Wetbandit1

8 years 80 mil

So that means he is impervious to bad decisions?

I guess that's your prerogative
- sbroads24

I never said that... did I?

Isn't the mental side of the game important as well?

Just bc u can't statistically quantify something...
doesn't mean it's a bad decision

So that means he is impervious to bad decisions?

I guess that's your prerogative
- sbroads24

Sorry, neither the use of, nor the correct spelling of the word "prerogative" are allowed on HB.

its certainly possible, but they could have found a 13th fwd in FA. i just find it odd they had to pay actual assets to acquire this particular fourth liner.
- Sabresfan-365

I pretty much said that paying a 1st was stupid

However...
it does show that they felt it was important

Reaves is also a pretty good skater for a "goon"
He's more like a Foligno than he is a Andrew Peters

Regardless...
the price was dumb
the idea was understandable

The only thing I can't wait to see is when Crosby pulls the poop he'll still pull what the excuse will be now. It used to be "justified" because he was abused so much and no one stood up for him. Now that he's got a bodyguard he's got no excuse for the stick work/embellishment/straight up diving.
- Wetbandit1

Hopefully they put Reaves on Crosby's wing and he struggles to follow him and attacks anyone that gets close

8 years 80 mil
- Sabresfan-365

Personally, I think that's overpaying for his RFA especially when he hasn't lit it up 5 v 5 yet

8 years 80 mil
- Sabresfan-365

I could see that, although I think it's a bit high.

Personally, I think that's overpaying for his UFA especially when he hasn't lit it up 5 v 5 yet
- GilPerreault11

UFA years would be like half his contract at 8 years.

UFA years would be like half his contract at 8 years.
- Wetbandit1

I'm tired. I meant RFA contract

Personally, I think that's overpaying for his RFA especially when he hasn't lit it up 5 v 5 yet
- GilPerreault11

It's gonna be tough to keep it down though
Word is that Johansen is about to get something close to 8mil
And he's averaged 14goals & 46.5assists the past 2 years

Sorry, neither the use of, nor the correct spelling of the word "prerogative" are allowed on HB.
- Wetbandit1

To be fair, I tried to spell it wrong

It's gonna be tough to keep it down though
Word is that Johansen is about to get something close to 8mil
And he's averaged 14goals & 46.5assists the past 2 years
- jdfitz77

Kuznetsov got almost 8.

Eichel is getting 9+ now, probably more if he waits a year.

I'd love an 8 year 72 mil deal.

Don't think so.

It was the "we can't draft Keller because he's small" debate that went on for pages.
- sbroads24

I had no role in that debate. I got no problem with 5'10". 170 pounds scares me.

Personally, I think that's overpaying for his RFA especially when he hasn't lit it up 5 v 5 yet
- GilPerreault11

it probably is but you are banking on future performance and buying ufa years

I had no role in that debate. I got no problem with 5'10". 170 pounds scares me.
- Der Kaiser

i really dont remember. just that gerbe was going at it for like 10 pages

To be fair, I tried to spell it wrong
- sbroads24

Ok, I'll let it slide. You won't be "band" this time.