It's his name...and I agree, love to try the kid on the wing. He has some skill but he is short and has a slight frame.
- CanuckDon

the reason he is still a prospect is he has a wicked shot and can skate very well. But that doesnt mean he has to play D. Perfectly suited to the wing where his speed will have the most affect and best utilized.

I am not even going to guess what the roster will look like. The best part of this will be training camp and who will come out on top to make the team.
- thundachunk

Yeah your guess is as good as the next guys we just don't know until camp. I suppose the question is do Canucks add any UFA's here to that pool of players battling out 3-6 spots?

the reason he is still a prospect is he has a wicked shot and can skate very well. But that doesnt mean he has to play D. Perfectly suited to the wing where his speed will have the most affect and best utilized.
- SMBDragon

I don't know if his new coach is seeing it that way. He called him a great puck mover. Able to get it out of the zone which is part of his D effectiveness. If he can strip pucks and be in the right position to angle off then he'll succeed as a D. Notice how many more puck moving D are under 6 foot now and getting drafted.

the reason he is still a prospect is he has a wicked shot and can skate very well. But that doesnt mean he has to play D. Perfectly suited to the wing where his speed will have the most affect and best utilized.
- SMBDragon

Destiny is a career AHLer then

Not a hope in hell to be a top 6 winger.

Yeah your guess is as good as the next guys we just don't know until camp. I suppose the question is do Canucks add any UFA's here to that pool of players battling out 3-6 spots?
- Nuck4U

The answer is no. Weal maybe but i doubt he signs here.
We need no UFA's to give jobs to. Wait til the TDL to use cap space.
Or the offseason either way its a waste to get UFA plugs.
Crap to pick over will be just as bad next year.

You have always been able to see right through me
- CanuckDon

Yeah your guess is as good as the next guys we just don't know until camp. I suppose the question is do Canucks add any UFA's here to that pool of players battling out 3-6 spots?
- Nuck4U

depends on the ufa and the teams need
For D absolutely

right....tanking is idiotic. It will destroy a team
- SMBDragon

You're correct. Franchises like Pittsburgh, Chicago, Edmonton, and now Toronto are destroyed. I don't think any of them will ever recover.

You're correct. Franchises like Pittsburgh, Chicago, Edmonton, and now Toronto are destroyed. I don't think any of them will ever recover.
- bloatedmosquito

Bloaty......love you man.....here's where I respectfully disagree....

Using reason and logic, with all those teams, consecutive years, each of those teams picked in either the 1st or 2nd draft position (I lump Mariner in because he's better than the top two this year).

Ergo, The Vancouver Canucks must draft 1st or 2nd, two years in a row......

We have had 2nd overall, what, couple three times? In our team history......

Odds say you winning the US powerball, and buying the team has a better probability....

We gotta win the cup, the Canuck way. (stumble into it)

2 of those teams picked 1st & 2nd in consecutive non lottery drafts.
The other 2 were sad sacks for a decade or 5.

The former 2 teams were embarrassments for years as in disgustingly bad.
Never fly here or nearly anywhere for that matter.
Both of the latter required huge luck or this convo would not happen.
With one proving u gotta suck as long as the Nordiques did to ensure luck.
Problem so far is the Av's won a cup & the Oilers & Leafs have not with a 1OA or more to their credit. I'm not envious of either team over blind luck. Far far away from the promised land yet if ever to get there.
It took a Sakic Forsberg & much more which neither the Leafs nor Oil has even close to yet let alone elite goaltending.

Nashville is an example u don't have to suck to be competitive.
Never had a 1OA & good from the time of expansion.
LAK had no 1OA to bail them out to help win the cup.

Bloaty......love you man.....here's where I respectfully disagree....

Using reason and logic, with all those teams, consecutive years, each of those teams picked in either the 1st or 2nd draft position (I lump Mariner in because he's better than the top two this year).

Ergo, The Vancouver Canucks must draft 1st or 2nd, two years in a row......

We have had 2nd overall, what, couple three times? In our team history......

Odds say you winning the US powerball, and buying the team has a better probability....

We gotta win the cup, the Canuck way. (stumble into it)
- WelfareWerewolf

I agree that tanking sucks for everyone involved including owners, players, and fans. But this franchise is approaching a whole new level of futility that's rarely seen in pro sports. Different regimes have tried different approaches but all with the same result; failure.

As a fan I want to see something different. Tanking would be something different that this franchise has not tried. Nothing else has work so why not give it a try?

I agree that tanking sucks for everyone involved including owners, players, and fans. But this franchise is approaching a whole new level of futility that's rarely seen in pro sports. Different regimes have tried different approaches but all with the same result; failure.

As a fan I want to see something different. Tanking would be something different that this franchise has not tried. Nothing else has work so why not give it a try?
- bloatedmosquito

Doing the same thing over and over again hasn't worked.

I agree that tanking sucks for everyone involved including owners, players, and fans. But this franchise is approaching a whole new level of futility that's rarely seen in pro sports. Different regimes have tried different approaches but all with the same result; failure.

As a fan I want to see something different. Tanking would be something different that this franchise has not tried. Nothing else has work so why not give it a try?
- bloatedmosquito

Doing the same thing over and over again hasn't worked.

You're correct. Franchises like Pittsburgh, Chicago, Edmonton, and now Toronto are destroyed. I don't think any of them will ever recover.
- bloatedmosquito

Like anything, there is a time and place for tanking. There are many ways to do it without bringing in a losing culture or presence. The best point that someone made here is to do it in a fashion where you are not alienating your franchise players and future. Players do want to win but they aren't stupid either and understand the business side of the NHL. If Bo, Brock, Stech and a few others saw 5-10 years of desolation they would bail for sure…but there are ways to keep them happy and manipulate the situation to pick 1-2 for a few years. Which we need.

Doing the same thing over and over again hasn't worked.
- thundachunk

Yet they want to bring back Miller and extend the Twins. I guess they need to feel confident to reach #30 th

Yet they want to bring back Miller and extend the Twins. I guess they need to feel confident to reach #30 th
- VANTEL

I was waiting for that.

I was waiting for that.
- thundachunk

I honestly have no problem as hiring them as training coaches. I think they have passion and dedication. It is the on ice performance that is really hard to watch now.

I seen some comments yesterday and the day before where would players like Weal or Gagne play? I know two roster spots that should be open next year.

Dave Semenko passed away.

Mentorship and changing the direction of the team.

In the past I would have been get rid of the Sedins as soon as you can , but the landscape is changing. With the addition of Dahlen Pettersson Gunnarsson and Holm
there will be ,or may be a strong Swedish community in the Canucks.

After hearing Dahlen say he has looked up to the Twins his entire career and would love to play with them would be an honor , then I need to take a step back and reassess .

To me having Sedins Sutter Ericksson and Dorsett all as mentors is over the top to me. It falls into the category too many chiefs not enough Indians.

Having Sutter as the link to transition the team after the Sedins left at his reasonable rate as a second line center made sense. Keeping the twins and having him at that rate as a third line center is not so good.

The new direction of the team is suppose to be speed and attack. The Sedins fall well short on the speed part.

The point is trying the same thing over and over and failing miserably is crazy , so it does require change. What the changes will be , will be very interesting.

Dave Semenko passed away.
- VanHockeyGuy

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Mentorship and changing the direction of the team.

In the past I would have been get rid of the Sedins as soon as you can , but the landscape is changing. With the addition of Dahlen Pettersson Gunnarsson and Holm
there will be ,or may be a strong Swedish community in the Canucks.

After hearing Dahlen say he has looked up to the Twins his entire career and would love to play with them would be an honor , then I need to take a step back and reassess .

To me having Sedins Sutter Ericksson and Dorsett all as mentors is over the top to me. It falls into the category too many chiefs not enough Indians.

Having Sutter as the link to transition the team after the Sedins left at his reasonable rate as a second line center made sense. Keeping the twins and having him at that rate as a third line center is not so good.

The new direction of the team is suppose to be speed and attack. The Sedins fall well short on the speed part.

The point is trying the same thing over and over and failing miserably is crazy , so it does require change. What the changes will be , will be very interesting.
- VANTEL

Or youth, add Weal and carry on with the transition.

the reason he is still a prospect is he has a wicked shot and can skate very well. But that doesnt mean he has to play D. Perfectly suited to the wing where his speed will have the most affect and best utilized.
- SMBDragon

I disagree. I think Subban would be invisible as a forward. The reason he is offensively gifted is because defense gives him time and space to see everything develop in front of him on the offensive side of the rink. Playing forward has you in the corners where the plays unfold differently, its more reactionary and the pressure from the defenders is considerably higher

If anyone thought he would be a very good forward, someone (including talent evaluators, scouts, coaches, player agents) would have told him years ago. His best shot is at defense, but he likely wont pan out

Like anything, there is a time and place for tanking. There are many ways to do it without bringing in a losing culture or presence. The best point that someone made here is to do it in a fashion where you are not alienating your franchise players and future. Players do want to win but they aren't stupid either and understand the business side of the NHL. If Bo, Brock, Stech and a few others saw 5-10 years of desolation they would bail for sure…but there are ways to keep them happy and manipulate the situation to pick 1-2 for a few years. Which we need.
- LordHumungous

I totally agree with your post. Got to be smart about it. But it's sad to think that Bo, Brock, and Stech are our 'franchise players'.

Dave Semenko passed away.
- VanHockeyGuy

I didn't know he wrote a book. That might be a good read.

I totally agree with your post. Got to be smart about it. But it's sad to think that Bo, Brock, and and Stech are our 'franchise players'.
- bloatedmosquito

I think you are exaggerating by calling them franchise players. Just because they are the best prospects right now does not mean they will be the best prospects in two years.


I have seen many people post on here that Boeser and Stecher may play in Utica this year.

Do you know how many discussions on here have been about if Bo is a 2C or a 3C