I remember your Laine avatar before I even knew who he was
- chilliard77

Just like my boy Nico

I'm just happy he's not a flyer

D
- Wetbandit1

No Puljujarvi is going to be with them

I did and lots of people said I was crazy
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Touché
However...

The prevailing thought was that it was Matthews as a "almost generational" type player, just a notch below Jack & Connor
And then a group of good prospects in the next tier

So Murray's thought process at the time was...
trade for O'Reilly
Or tank for Matthews

After we just tanked twice
And we'd have to out tank Toronto & Arizona

No Puljujarvi is going to be with them
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Nah.

Nah.
- Wetbandit1

I would trade Sam + for him right now

He is the complete package he just was not ready

Touché
However...

The prevailing thought was that it was Matthews as a "almost generational" type player, just a notch below Jack & Connor
And then a group of good prospects in the next tier

So Murray's thought process at the time was...
trade for O'Reilly
Or tank for Matthews

After we just tanked twice
And we'd have to out tank Toronto & Arizona
- jdfitz77

I think I'm more pissed off we did not get TK or Keller

wouldnt shock me if they did nothing till august 15 and then made a huge pitch for butcher.

I think I'm more pissed off we did not get TK or Keller
- GERBE!!!75PTS

No matter where we draft...
there's always gonna be guys we just missed on getting,
or should've picked instead

Same for every team, every year

wouldnt shock me if they did nothing till august 15 and then made a huge pitch for butcher.
- Sabresfan-365

We could do that whether or not we brought in another defenseman though
How bummed are u on Smith signing?
I know u were hoping for him

No matter where we draft...
there's always gonna be guys we just missed on getting,
or should've picked instead

Same for every team, every year
- jdfitz77

Exactly.

Ric Seiling and Mike Bossy say hi.

We could do that whether or not we brought in another defenseman though
How bummed are u on Smith signing?
I know u were hoping for him
- jdfitz77

bummed, not surprised though. I know we could(although depends on what butcher wants), im just not sure they want to.

It seems pretty clear that at least short term hes looking for lowest risk+highest value/upside. So that rules out guys like shattenkirk, alzner etc.

But they could in theory come out of this off season with two low end 2nd pair guys for the price of mike weber, which would be impressive and if neither worked out the price paid was a 3rd rounder.

bummed, not surprised though. I know we could(although depends on what butcher wants), im just not sure they want to.

It seems pretty clear that at least short term hes looking for lowest risk+highest value/upside. So that rules out guys like shattenkirk, alzner etc.

But they could in theory come out of this off season with two low end 2nd pair guys for the price of mike weber, which would be impressive and if neither worked out the price paid was a 3rd rounder.
- Sabresfan-365

Were in on Shattenkirk FYI

Dreger and Pagnotta have said we have had talks. Tomorrow he narrows his list apparently

No matter where we draft...
there's always gonna be guys we just missed on getting,
or should've picked instead

Same for every team, every year
- jdfitz77

This is an easy statement to make. Especially when you pick 8th every year.

I wonder if the Leafs will say the same thing about picking Matthews. I would guess not

bummed, not surprised though. I know we could(although depends on what butcher wants), im just not sure they want to.

It seems pretty clear that at least short term hes looking for lowest risk+highest value/upside. So that rules out guys like shattenkirk, alzner etc.

But they could in theory come out of this off season with two low end 2nd pair guys for the price of mike weber, which would be impressive and if neither worked out the price paid was a 3rd rounder.
- Sabresfan-365

Idk if it's "clear" that's what he's looking for
Beaulieu falls into that category,
but that doesn't mean he's only looking for that

Maybe that's just all he could get right now

This is an easy statement to make. Especially when you pick 8th every year.

I wonder if the Leafs will say the same thing about picking Matthews. I would guess not
- sbroads24

Would they say the same thing about missing out on a top5 pick this year?
Would Edmonton?

Was either of those teams in a better position to we than we were after we drafted Eichel?

This whole discussion is so arbitrary
We could lament a guy we missed out on in the draft every single year

Were in on Shattenkirk FYI

Dreger and Pagnotta have said we have had talks. Tomorrow he narrows his list apparently
- sbroads24

Not to start this argument again...
but I really hope we don't get him

Idk if it's "clear" that's what he's looking for
Beaulieu falls into that category,
but that doesn't mean he's only looking for that

Maybe that's just all he could get right now
- jdfitz77

we weren't in on any of the bigger names aside from shattenkirk but i think thats only cause its hard to pass up the opportunity to add a guy like him "for free" (although im well aware the cap number here could be...unfavourable).

Were in on Shattenkirk FYI

Dreger and Pagnotta have said we have had talks. Tomorrow he narrows his list apparently
- sbroads24

our cap savvy gm isnt going to overpay for him so im guessing we're out tomorrow.

our cap savvy gm isnt going to overpay for him so im guessing we're out tomorrow.
- Sabresfan-365

I'm thinking you're right.

our cap savvy gm isnt going to overpay for him so im guessing we're out tomorrow.
- Sabresfan-365

But if TP wants him then he has no power

our cap savvy gm isnt going to overpay for him so im guessing we're out tomorrow.
- Sabresfan-365

Ummm he was there when Pittsburgh signed Kris Letang until he was 36 years old

Not saying Shattenkirk is on the same level as Letang but he knows how to handle a team with several high priced players (Crosby Malkin Kessel Letang)

Ummm he was there when Pittsburgh signed Kris Letang until he was 36 years old

Not saying Shattenkirk is on the same level as Letang but he knows how to handle a team with several high priced players (Crosby Malkin Kessel Letang)
- Stripes77

thats what im saying though. They built that team paying big to keep their core and getting the most cost effective players they could to fill out their lineup. guys out of college, smart trades etc.

Letang, when hes not injured, is a #1D no question. Same cant be said for shattenkirk.

thats what im saying though. They built that team paying big to keep their core and getting the most cost effective players they could to fill out their lineup. guys out of college, smart trades etc.

Letang, when hes not injured, is a #1D no question. Same cant be said for shattenkirk.
- Sabresfan-365

I think the bigger point is that if he wanted Shattenkirk, he could find a way to make it work and still manage the cap. How much he wants him, however, remains to be seen.

Side note: they were talking on Sirius XM today about how a $13 million deal for McDavid would put him at about 17% of the Oilers' cap. That was about the same percentage of the cap as Crosby made up when he signed his deal. The notion that McDavid and Draisaitl would kill Edmonton's cap is completely unfounded.

It's good that Botterill has patience.

Tough (frank)ing poop
- BeadyEyedDouche

We finally agree on something.