I think my fav part is that how you brag about claiming Hoffman would be a 1st line player as soon as he was drafted ( I call BS by the way ) but then put him on the 2nd line.

- sensarmy_11

holy f_ck I didn't see that


BURN

I think my fav part is that how you brag about claiming Hoffman would be a 1st line player as soon as he was drafted ( I call BS by the way ) but then put him on the 2nd line.

- sensarmy_11

It's called spreading out the offense, and is a basic talent/skill of any competent coach who tries to win. Evgeni Malkin isn't a second line talent either, yet look where he plays.

Given you are the worst example of posters mentioned above in terms of talent evaluation I've seen over the years, your feedback is appreciated but meaningless to me.

But you know, keep nitpicking, it's why everyone here loves your feedback so much and you get such positive responses every time you say something. What do I know, I just used to do camera work for the 67s and saw a large number of these prospects play a large number of their regular season games, so yeah I guess my opinion means nothing. Thanks, I'll keep it in mind from now on and never utter a peep again. It is the way of the hockey forums

As for Franson, I'm not the only one who thinks this way, nor is it a bad idea to buy low on UFAs who are coming off bad years where they faced a lot of injuries on a crap team and saw lower output as a result.

https://www.silversevense...efense-goalies-ottawa-nhl

Keep trying, bud. And Happy Canada Day.

"None of you know anything about hockey.....and my solution to fix this team is to trade for a dman who's on the IR until after Christmas, sign a useless FA, and put dzingel on the top line"


- sensarmy_11

Uh, that's where Dzingel played for a lot of last season, as Turris' linemate, in case you weren't watching at all.

As for Vatanen, so what? He's still a top pairing d-man and if the trade timing is pushed back slightly what difference would that make.

I never said everyone knows nothing about hockey, I said we have a demonstrated crap track record on these boards of assessing draft talent. Huge difference in meaning.

Uh, that's where Dzingel played for a lot of last season, as Turris' linemate, in case you weren't watching at all.

As for Vatanen, so what? He's still a top pairing d-man and if the trade timing is pushed back slightly what difference would that make.

I never said everyone knows nothing about hockey, I said we have a demonstrated crap track record on these boards of assessing draft talent. Huge difference in meaning.
- ahjnkn

So let me get this straight......youre claiming that vatanen is a legit top pairing dman, who's relatively young and on a good contract, and you further claim that ottawa could land him for a 1st, poopty prospect, and fringe NHL dman........and still have the stones to criticize other people's ability to assess talent and value of players.

It's called spreading out the offense, and is a basic talent/skill of any competent coach who tries to win. Evgeni Malkin isn't a second line talent either, yet look where he plays.

Given you are the worst example of posters mentioned above in terms of talent evaluation I've seen over the years, your feedback is appreciated but meaningless to me.

But you know, keep nitpicking, it's why everyone here loves your feedback so much and you get such positive responses every time you say something. What do I know, I just used to do camera work for the 67s and saw a large number of these prospects play a large number of their regular season games, so yeah I guess my opinion means nothing. Thanks, I'll keep it in mind from now on and never utter a peep again. It is the way of the hockey forums

As for Franson, I'm not the only one who thinks this way, nor is it a bad idea to buy low on UFAs who are coming off bad years where they faced a lot of injuries on a crap team and saw lower output as a result.

https://www.silversevense...efense-goalies-ottawa-nhl

Keep trying, bud. And Happy Canada Day.
- ahjnkn

didn't realize that watching hockey from behind a camera, as opposed to your tv, made you an expert. I watched all 82 games last year and most of the playoff games.......(frank), how am I not a GM

So let me get this straight......youre claiming that vatanen is a legit top pairing dman, who's relatively young and on a good contract, and you further claim that ottawa could land him for a 1st, poopty prospect, and fringe NHL dman........and still have the stones to criticize other people's ability to assess talent and value of players.
- sensarmy_11

Ya really gotta watch when you criticize on here. You should really consult with an expert on everything..... maybe you should check with ahjnkn..... he'll not only set you straight, he'll tell you how great he is at the same time, just in. case you weren't aware

Ya really gotta watch when you criticize on here. You should really consult with an expert on everything..... maybe you should check with
- SensnRBs

I guess I shouldn't criticize anyone.......i mean according to him everyone hates me and loves him, even though he basically called every sens fan an idiot on his original post.

Ya really gotta watch when you criticize on here. You should really consult with an expert on everything..... maybe you should check with ahjnkn..... he'll not only set you straight, he'll tell you how great he is at the same time, just in. case you weren't aware
- SensnRBs

He's obviously great.....i mean he was a camera man on local cable who occasionally filmed OHL games, is there a bigger hockey expert than that

So let me get this straight......youre claiming that vatanen is a legit top pairing dman, who's relatively young and on a good contract, and you further claim that ottawa could land him for a 1st, poopty prospect, and fringe NHL dman........and still have the stones to criticize other people's ability to assess talent and value of players.
- sensarmy_11

A 1st round pick, former 2nd round pick (or Brown, another former first round pick who was the other person I proposed) and an NHL D-man for a better NHL d-man is pretty standard offer, yes.

Laugh all you want, it's a comparable offer to what we gave for Ryan, especially if it's Brown going instead of Paul (2 first round picks and a roster player). Calgary got Hamonic for about the same price (a 1st and two 2nds).

Why is Paul a bad prospect exactly? Because he had a freak accident last season which sliced his artery at the wrist and made him unable to get a lot of playtime after? Because he was in our taxi squad all last playoffs but never played a game? Again, you always say the exact same cynical things about every non-elite prospect we have.

Claesson was also crap to you last year and over-rated. Just because you are overly critical of every player who doesn't put up over 60 points or is not playing on the 2nd pairing by the time they're 22 years old does not make them bad prospects or worthless to other teams.

The cameraman job was to show that I actually do watch a lot of junior hockey and yes I have picked up on tendencies and characteristics of players who are more likely to make the NHL over the 7 years I did it. I would take that experience of talent evaluation over being an NHL fan boy who serves in the armed forces as a career. It's why I'm also going to make another crazy prediction here (which you can call BS in five years when it actually happens) that Alex Formenton will be the dark horse pick of this draft for the Sens and turn out to be a very good Michael Grabner type player for us when he turns pro.

Also funny that when I put evidence forward that shows I'm not full of crap and that others who watch hockey regularly agree with me on from an analytics perspective you conveniently ignore it. Must be nice to be satisfied with being nothing more than a sophist as a hobby.

I guess I shouldn't criticize anyone.......i mean according to him everyone hates me and loves him, even though he basically called every sens fan an idiot on his original post.
- sensarmy_11

The record bears that out, enjoy going back and consulting it. And regular Hockeybuzz sens forum posters do not equal all Sens fans except for those who believe in false equivalency. If you're gonna claim my statements are outrageous and stupid, that's fine, just be accurate about them.

Jeez.

I leave for 5 minutes and you start fighting with each other.

I'm back. You can all resume getting spitting angry with me and getting along with each other.

Happy now?

I guess I shouldn't criticize anyone.......i mean according to him everyone hates me and loves him, even though he basically called every sens fan an idiot on his original post.
- sensarmy_11

Yep I totally said that, for sure.

Jeez.

I leave for 5 minutes and you start fighting with each other.

I'm back. You can all resume getting spitting angry with me and getting along with each other.

Happy now?
- prock

Nah, this is more fun.

I'd say their biggest UFA signing in terms of making a "splash" was in 2010 with Sergei Gonchar

Ya really gotta watch when you criticize on here. You should really consult with an expert on everything..... maybe you should check with ahjnkn..... he'll not only set you straight, he'll tell you how great he is at the same time, just in. case you weren't aware
- SensnRBs

You think I'm great? Really????! Thanks, buddy! I've waited soooooooooo long for your validation and now that it's happened I just wanna scream it from the tallest of the Gatineau hills.

HEY, EVERYBODY! SOMEONE WHO I DON`T KNOW AND WILL NEVER MEET SAID SOMETHING POTENTIALLY POSITIVE ABOUT ME IN A TOTALLY SERIOUS WAY ON A HOCKEY FORUM! YIPPEE! I CAN DIE A HAPPY MAN NOW!

My point is none of you (no offense, but it has been proven repeatedly after years of observing this board) has ANY idea what you are talking about in terms of how to evaluate future NHL talent. How many of you even knew who Shane Bowers was before we drafted him? Exactly.
- ahjnkn

No offense? None taken, I guess... but either way you can pretty much go F yourself if you're just going to openly insult literally everyone here.

P.S. I knew quite a bit about Shane Bowers prior to the draft.

I'd say their biggest UFA signing in terms of making a "splash" was in 2010 with Sergei Gonchar
- rsheridan85

In was thinking the same thing while reading the blog. In fact the year after we lost Gonchar to Free agency (Dallas) Th eSens defence was absolutely terrible.

You think I'm great? Really????! Thanks, buddy! I've waited soooooooooo long for your validation and now that it's happened I just wanna scream it from the tallest of the Gatineau hills.

HEY, EVERYBODY! SOMEONE WHO I DON`T KNOW AND WILL NEVER MEET SAID SOMETHING POTENTIALLY POSITIVE ABOUT ME IN A TOTALLY SERIOUS WAY ON A HOCKEY FORUM! YIPPEE! I CAN DIE A HAPPY MAN NOW!
- ahjnkn

People who go out of their way to say how great they are, are usually covering up for an insecurity.....

The evidence speaks for itself. If you are right, people recognize it. If you tell people how good you are, they tend to dismiss your opinion as simple arrogance.

Take that for what it is......

In was thinking the same thing while reading the blog. In fact the year after we lost Gonchar to Free agency (Dallas) Th eSens defence was absolutely terrible.
- Erik6Karlsson5

I'd agree - signing Gonchar was also their main response to losing Volchenkov to free agency, which in hindsight was 100% the right decision. I'd argue that it was also the right decision to not re-sign Gonchar when he became a free agent and signed by Dallas... but unfortunately that led directly to the start of the disastrous Cowen/Wiercioch experiment.

That catastrophic fail is also why I think people need to moderate their expectations about guys like Claesson and Harpur... it was good to see them step in and play effectively in the playoffs, but that doesn't necessarily make them ready to step into full time duty. Personally, I think they should consider adding a veteran LH defenceman like Beauchemin as insurance to make sure that Karlsson has an NHL-quality partner right out of training camp.

happy canada day gents!! hope we get someone good!

One note I will say.....I pray that the Sens get Kulikov
Really hope so, plays well under Boucher
- AlfieisKing

No Kulikov and instead Dorion gets Nate Thompson! Really!?

Whoever thought the quality back-up goaltender market had been established by the Kincaid and Budaj deals should take a good look at today's goaltender signings...

Bernier (COL) - $2.75M x 1yr
Elliott (PHI) - $2.75M x 2yrs
Johnson (BUF) - $2.5M x 1yr
Nilsson (VAN) - $2.5M x 2yrs

The Condon deal seems pretty much right in line with these, with the 3rd year being the part that really cost them - which for Ottawa provides a measure of insurance that they won't be potentially shopping for 2 goaltenders between now and when Karlsson needs to be re-signed.

No Kulikov and instead Dorion gets Nate Thompson! Really!?

- Raven33

I think people will need to get used to the fact that Boucher really values his depth forwards, and Dorion is quasi-obsessed with bolstering centre depth (which is not the worst thing to be quasi-obsessed with). Plus, Boucher coached Thompson back in Tampa Bay, and clearly likes what he can bring to the 4th line C role (good energy/physical play, PK experience, decent face-off ability. Personally, I view this as good news because I really don't want to see them bury someone like White or Brown in a 4th line checking role before they get more exposure to scoring line work at the AHL level.

Basically, this replaces the likes of Wingels and Kelly, which I'm pretty okay with as a depth move.

Seems like a good time to mention for all the 'Chris Neil has no positive impact' crowd that the Penguins gave up their first this year for Ryan Reaves and his 51 career points in 419 career games.

With that kind of foolishness wanting to put toughness that doesn't score into the lineup, it's no wonder Pittsburgh never wins any Cups.....hey wait a minute...

Seems like a good time to mention for all the 'Chris Neil has no positive impact' crowd that the Penguins gave up their first this year for Ryan Reaves and his 51 career points in 419 career games.

With that kind of foolishness wanting to put toughness that doesn't score into the lineup, it's no wonder Pittsburgh never wins any Cups.....hey wait a minute...
- WillieAA

Pit won those cups before he was ever a part of tbe team. Which is why so many raised their eye brows at it, since they didnt need said toughness for success.