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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks qualify 7 RFAs, Profiling 4th-round pick Jack Rathbone
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WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 1:48 PM ET
He's from Vancouver and apparently has always wanted to play here. I agree with your assessment, but I think there's more to this than just winning as we can afford to give him a bit more $$ too.
- neem55


Gagner? Pretty sure hes from Ontario since he was a London Knight. Cant see VAN offering the money and term to make him want to come to another rebuild, 7 years in Edmonton and a year in AZ is enough losing for a career
WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 1:52 PM ET
We have awarded Brock Boeser a spot on the top line with Bo, and awarded Goldobin a spot with the Sedins, because they have "earned" it

Gone are the days where kids came in, played limited minutes on the fourth line between players like Dorsett and Kenins, and earned the coaches trust.

- Codes1087


Willie is gone, the kids can run free now! I'm betting they haze the Sedins on the first day of camp to make sure the twins know who's in charge
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 1:55 PM ET
Based on?
- Marwood

His experience(which I included in the post)
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:56 PM ET
Willie is gone, the kids can run free now! I'm betting they haze the Sedins on the first day of camp to make sure the twins know who's in charge
- WhiteLie

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 27 @ 1:58 PM ET
His experience(which I included in the post)
- neem55

Sorry, I don't know much about his past other than he played for SJ's farm team. I know he's shown flashes of his skill but how's his defensive side of the game & is it NHL ready?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:01 PM ET
Gagner? Pretty sure hes from Ontario since he was a London Knight. Cant see VAN offering the money and term to make him want to come to another rebuild, 7 years in Edmonton and a year in AZ is enough losing for a career
- WhiteLie

He grew up a good portion of his childhood in van, from what I've read. You might be right, just providing a foil as there's nothing defineitove about your argument. He'll want money and the opportunity to play for a winning team for sure though. Canucks can afford the first season one, definetly not the second
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:04 PM ET
Sorry, I don't know much about his past other than he played for SJ's farm team. I know he's shown flashes of his skill but how's his defensive side of the game & is it NHL ready?
- Marwood

Ah I see. Well he's played around 100 AHL games, his Ppg have bumped up each year. I guess I should say: I think he's a lock to make the roster, because he's one of the few young guys who has done well at the AHL level to deserve a shot. Definitely pffensive, but our lineup is starved for offence.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 27 @ 2:04 PM ET
Sorry, I don't know much about his past other than he played for SJ's farm team. I know he's shown flashes of his skill but how's his defensive side of the game & is it NHL ready?
- Marwood

NHL ready, don't put so much pressure on the kid. There is a difference between NHL ready and Canuck ready.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jun 27 @ 2:05 PM ET
on gagne, we certainly could use something fresh on the PP
- SMBDragon


Simon is 37 years old and hasn't played in years ...hardly fresh
WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 2:06 PM ET
That's right! How could I have forgot!

It's silly to suggest that any fringe prospect even be a lock to make the roster, let alone be a staple as a top 6 forward or top 4 D. These kids are young, and for us to do anything but keep them in Utica, could be leading us down a path that EDM fans were so used to seeing for so long.

- Codes1087



Also projecting them anywhere is a stretch when you have no idea what ideas Green might have for lineups. Coaching an AHL team where youre told who you get is one thing, its another to have to construct the organizations entire depth chart
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 2:06 PM ET
Just don't sign anyone for more than 1, maybe 2 years max. That's all I ask.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:07 PM ET
That's right! How could I have forgot!

It's silly to suggest that any fringe prospect even be a lock to make the roster, let alone be a staple as a top 6 forward or top 4 D. These kids are young, and for us to do anything but keep them in Utica, could be leading us down a path that EDM fans were so used to seeing for so long.

- Codes1087

Exactly right. Which is even more why you take chances on Weal/Grigs/Yak/Gag type players. If the trade ask isn't too high, I'd also like Colin Miller from LVG
saskcanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 05.26.2017

Jun 27 @ 2:08 PM ET
I think targeting some mid range players like Gagner make sense in the current time frame of the rebuild or retooling, whatever you want to call it. Offer a fair 1 year contract and have the ability to send him or others to contenders come the trade deadline.
WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 2:10 PM ET
He grew up a good portion of his childhood in van, from what I've read. You might be right, just providing a foil as there's nothing defineitove about your argument. He'll want money and the opportunity to play for a winning team for sure though. Canucks can afford the first season one, definetly not the second
- neem55


Agreed, I am just speculating. There is a chance he comes here, but I consider it very low based on a lot of circumstances surrounding his free agency
WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 2:10 PM ET
Just don't sign anyone for more than 1, maybe 2 years max. That's all I ask.
- Nucker101


Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 27 @ 2:13 PM ET
I would take Grig on a 1 year deal to be our 4c.
Gaunce-Grig-Dorsett is a decent 4th line.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:14 PM ET
Agreed, I am just speculating. There is a chance he comes here, but I consider it very low based on a lot of circumstances surrounding his free agency
- WhiteLie

I fully expect him to re-up in Columbus, unless they aren't giving him an opportunity.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:16 PM ET
Just don't sign anyone for more than 1, maybe 2 years max. That's all I ask.
- Nucker101

If there is henny pennying over weal at 1.5 mil for 3 years, I'm going to remember this post
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:18 PM ET
I think targeting some mid range players like Gagner make sense in the current time frame of the rebuild or retooling, whatever you want to call it. Offer a fair 1 year contract and have the ability to send him or others to contenders come the trade deadline.
- saskcanuck

If the goal is sign and deal at the TDL, what does age range matter?
I'd love a one year marleau at 3 million, if the goal is to trade him down the line. I think he'll get a better offer than that, just as an example of a older guy we could flip.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jun 27 @ 2:19 PM ET

Also projecting them anywhere is a stretch when you have no idea what ideas Green might have for lineups. Coaching an AHL team where youre told who you get is one thing, its another to have to construct the organizations entire depth chart

- WhiteLie


I think top 9 players are pretty much a lock
Sedins
Eriksson
horvat
Granlund
Sven
Sutter
Dorsett
Boeser
that leaves 3 spots for......
Goldy
Boucher
Chaput
Megna
Gaunce
Virtanen
Molino
Labate
Rodin
man there's a good chance Chaput, Gaunce and Megna won't be on the team this year - that's exciting news!!

So I guess the real question is do we even need to sign anybody else??
But knowing JB, he'll probably want to "make a splash in FA"
WhiteLie
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Jun 27 @ 2:21 PM ET
If the goal is sign and deal at the TDL, what does age range matter?
I'd love a one year marleau at 3 million, if the goal is to trade him down the line. I think he'll get a better offer than that, just as an example of a older guy we could flip.

- neem55


I'd overpay on a 1 year deal if need be. If the market is super hot on someone like Marleau (per your example), sign him to a 1 year $7m deal, eat 50+% of his salary at TDL and move him for a better asset
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 2:29 PM ET
Based on?
- Marwood

Fairy dust!
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:31 PM ET
Fairy dust!
- LeftCoaster

You just have to find your happy thought Lefty, I don't think foot long hotdogs with all the goods counts.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jun 27 @ 2:33 PM ET
how bad is Sbiza? is he not even bottom pair type guy? Jets could use a bottom pairing left shot d but I honestly dont know how good or bad he is?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 2:33 PM ET
I'd overpay on a 1 year deal if need be. If the market is super hot on someone like Marleau (per your example), sign him to a 1 year $7m deal, eat 50+% of his salary at TDL and move him for a better asset
- WhiteLie

Unfortunately, we don't have that cap space but I really like these kind of moves. Toronto did it extremely well early in their rebuild to get more picks, hoping JB at least tries to.
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