I think he is. He's more talented than Toews and he's making that much, so I have no issue giving it to him.
- eichiefs9

I think he is. He's more talented than Toews and he's making that much, so I have no issue giving it to him.
- eichiefs9

I don't think contract amounts are based on talent. I also believe both Toews and Kane won two cups already when they got inked to those contracts. I know we have to sign the guy but that doesn't make him worth what we're going to give him.

I don't think contract amounts are based on talent. I also believe both Toews and Kane won two cups already when they got inked to those contracts. I know we have to sign the guy but that doesn't make him worth what we're going to give him.
- Cptmjl

This team has a hard enough time attracting free agents now, so losing him would be bad. That alone almost makes it worth it to sign him and if he walks it's pretty much a rebuild again( not that this one is something to write home about) so there's that and who is going to go see this team without him when they are terrible? On a side note i think the hamonic deal was a win for the isles, for three draft picks (1st and 2nd 2108 and a conditional 2nd 2019 or 18) in a very strong draft. If we keep them it's a win for keeping the prospect pool young and stocked for the future and as it's a strong draft their value increases as trade chips if he can find the right deal. Also he's already either replaced the 2019 2nd to Vegas or improved it if it moves to 2018.

This team has a hard enough time attracting free agents now, so losing him would be bad. That alone almost makes it worth it to sign him and if he walks it's pretty much a rebuild again( not that this one is something to write home about) so there's that and who is going to go see this team without him when they are terrible? On a side note i think the hamonic deal was a win for the isles, for three draft picks (1st and 2nd 2108 and a conditional 2nd 2019 or 18) in a very strong draft. If we keep them it's a win for keeping the prospect pool young and stocked for the future and as it's a strong draft their value increases as trade chips if he can find the right deal. Also he's already either replaced the 2019 2nd to Vegas or improved it if it moves to 2018.
- Upstate_isles

If he walks it sets the franchise back at least 5 years - assuming Snow gets canned. If he walks and Snow stays then I become a Predator or Canes fan.

This team has a hard enough time attracting free agents now, so losing him would be bad. That alone almost makes it worth it to sign him and if he walks it's pretty much a rebuild again( not that this one is something to write home about) so there's that and who is going to go see this team without him when they are terrible? On a side note i think the hamonic deal was a win for the isles, for three draft picks (1st and 2nd 2108 and a conditional 2nd 2019 or 18) in a very strong draft. If we keep them it's a win for keeping the prospect pool young and stocked for the future and as it's a strong draft their value increases as trade chips if he can find the right deal. Also he's already either replaced the 2019 2nd to Vegas or improved it if it moves to 2018.
- Upstate_isles

Again, not debating whether they should sign him or not just saying he's not worth 10.5. We should most definitely sign the guy BUT he isn't worth it.

If he walks it sets the franchise back at least 5 years - assuming Snow gets canned. If he walks and Snow stays then I become a Predator or Canes fan.
- JimmyP

Agreed i keep hearing he wants to know the Belmont situation and that's the hold up and most of the players strongly believe he will resign

Again, not debating whether they should sign him or not just saying he's not worth 10.5. We should most definitely sign the guy BUT he isn't worth it.
- Cptmjl

I think from a perception stand point it is, if he could leave but stays as a marquee player it sends a message that it isn't the end of the world here

Edit: I know you're not debating it you just think he shouldn't get paid that much and right or wrong another team will so the isles have to

Agreed i keep hearing he wants to know the Belmont situation and that's the hold up and most of the players strongly believe he will resign
- Upstate_isles

I still think he will resign. We'll see. This just better not drag on all summer.

I don't think contract amounts are based on talent. I also believe both Toews and Kane won two cups already when they got inked to those contracts. I know we have to sign the guy but that doesn't make him worth what we're going to give him.
- Cptmjl

What in the world are they based on then?

Could we have been wrong this whole time and the Clutterbuck deal is one of the best in the league?

What in the world are they based on then?

Could we have been wrong this whole time and the Clutterbuck deal is one of the best in the league?
- eichiefs9

What in the world are they based on then?

Could we have been wrong this whole time and the Clutterbuck deal is one of the best in the league?
- eichiefs9

Lots of players have talent. Shat why don't we sign Rob Schremp to a 10 million dollar contract while we're at it

Lots of players have talent. Shat why don't we sign Rob Schremp to a 10 million dollar contract while we're at it
- Cptmjl

They are based on results and in order to achieve results you need talent. Sure there are your classic underachievers but the highest paid players have the most talent it's pretty clear

http://www.newsday.com/sp...-prospect-camp-1.13770702

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/linus-soderstrom-devon-toews-standing-out-at-islanders-prospect-camp-1.13770702
- ses111

We all kind of overlook soderstrom with sorokin but he is legit too, the isles have done good at building assets and depth and moved hamonic because of it. I think greiss halak this year and then one of the kids comes over to play or more likely backup greiss until they're ready to take the reins

They are based on results and in order to achieve results you need talent. Sure there are your classic underachievers but the highest paid players have the most talent it's pretty clear
- Upstate_isles

Kind of a silly debate but it's not solely based on talent. Clutch players, heart and soul players etc... There are many factors besides pure talent which of course is one big factor. Other than one playoff series I can't remember a time when Tavares could be described with any of those other qualities I mentioned which was kind of my point to begin with. Toews lead his team to those cups, scored some clutch goals in all of those series and willed his team to win at times. Kane is an other worldly talent with all of those qualities. Tavares to me hasn't proven a whole helluva lot to earn 10.5 a yr IMO. He'll get paid it bcs we really have no choice but it doesnt make it right.

Kind of a silly debate but it's not solely based on talent. Clutch players, heart and soul players etc... There are many factors besides pure talent which of course is one big factor. Other than one playoff series I can't remember a time when Tavares could be described with any of those other qualities I mentioned which was kind of my point to begin with. Toews lead his team to those cups, scored some clutch goals in all of those series and willed his team to win at times. Kane is an other worldly talent with all of those qualities. Tavares to me hasn't proven a whole helluva lot to earn 10.5 a yr IMO. He'll get paid it bcs we really have no choice but it doesnt make it right.
- Cptmjl

Well he was a 2 time Hart finalist finishing behind 87 and 8 both times and he was 8th in selke voting this year and was 1 point from a scoring title so he's not bad. And toews is soooooo overrated, put him on the isles without Kane and hossa and Keith and panarin and Seabrook, he is surrounded by all stars while jt is on an island literally and figuratively. Which takes us to another topic all together, I get your point but jt on team Canada is insane cause he's surrounded by insane players. My hope is eberle allows him to flourish this year

Well he was a 2 time Hart finalist finishing behind 87 and 8 both times and he was 8th in selke voting this year and was 1 point from a scoring title so he's not bad. And toews is soooooo overrated, put him on the isles without Kane and hossa and Keith and panarin and Seabrook, he is surrounded by all stars while jt is on an island literally and figuratively. Which takes us to another topic all together, I get your point but jt on team Canada is insane cause he's surrounded by insane players. My hope is eberle allows him to flourish this year
- Upstate_isles

Ppfftt! Can he take the temperature of the locker room? Did he ever lead the league in hits? Does he ever face-wash a guy after the play? Totally overrated.

Did we trade the picks for a 2C yet?

Did we trade the picks for a 2C yet?
- nyisles7

Ek gave it an e4

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I'm not saying he's bad he's just not 10.5 a yr good

I get the whole supporting cast thing but like I said those qualities that I mentioned earlier came into play multiple tines with those players. Tavares save for one series I have yet to see them. Maybe we will who knows? He has the capability but I don't see that drive often enough and when we do it's usually getting us into trouble on an over extended shift. Listen I love the guy he's a damn good hockey player BUT he ain't worth it and some morons voting him into the Selke conversation that probably watched him 5 times last season isn't going to change my mind and neither will that nerd chiefs or the kool aide man

Tavares will change my mind if and when he shows he's worth that kind of coin.

Ek gave it an e4
- Upstate_isles

Lots of players have talent. Shat why don't we sign Rob Schremp to a 10 million dollar contract while we're at it
- Cptmjl

I see this going the way of arguing semantics. Talent, to me, is skill used in a useful manner in the NHL. Schremp had a ton of skill, but it was useless.

Regardless, I think Tavares is absolutely worth $10M/yr for whatever reason anyone wants to label him as.

I see this going the way of arguing semantics. Talent, to me, is skill used in a useful manner in the NHL. Schremp had a ton of skill, but it was useless.

Regardless, I think Tavares is absolutely worth $10M/yr for whatever reason anyone wants to label him as.
- eichiefs9

I think he's worth 9.975

I see this going the way of arguing semantics. Talent, to me, is skill used in a useful manner in the NHL. Schremp had a ton of skill, but it was useless.

Regardless, I think Tavares is absolutely worth $10M/yr for whatever reason anyone wants to label him as.
- eichiefs9

He was a point a game player in the playoffs till Tampa sbut him down as he has no help but vs pens caps and Fla he was pretty dominant in the post season

He was a point a game player in the playoffs till Tampa sbut him down as he has no help but vs pens caps and Fla he was pretty dominant in the post season
- Upstate_isles

He has 11-11-22pts in 24 playoff games. How anyone can argue that his body of work in the playoffs is anything short of excellent is beyond me.