Who is out there not named Nick Schmaltz who can play LW with AA and Kane? Im not seeing losing AA for Galcenyuk for example because you dont achieve the goal of fully rebuilding that top six.

Additionally, it would be nice to sign a bottom six center as well. If the forecheck is back and can play a fast north south game, I think you stick with the D as they stand and hope that center depth and two potent top lines can drive possession back out of the D zone.
- Return of the Roar

Forget about Chucky...he isn't coming here. The Habs want a dman and we already traded the one we thought had the most value.

Whatever is needed in order for Stan to reel in one Tom mothafuggin Wilson
- Assman22

Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Tom Wilson

As it stands now, moving Kruger, and getting nothing back for him that hits the cap, brings the Hawks within pennies under the upper limit.

That means any room for other deals requires:

1. Hossa's LTIR money ($5.275MM toward new players)
2. Straight up value for value roster trades
3. Dumping another contract under NMC ( not likely )

After Kruger gets moved, that could be it. Hard to add to much but bottom six. Im resolved to guys like Vanek, Gagne being the targets.
- Return of the Roar

As I mentioned yesterday - Stan's NMCs to players and some overpays have this team in cap hell. You look at CCs deal and twice the Hawks wanted to move him and twice he vetoed. If Darling is the starter you're saving 2 mil...just one example. Now I don't think CC is overpaid, and is a great goalie, but the cap is the cap. Also why the overpay on Panik? Panik and his agent signed right off and couldn't believe their fortune when they were offered that deal.

All of these smaller moves add up. And while Bowman has made a couple of big strikes here we're still sitting relatively where we were in regard to cap space or lack thereof.

While I'm hopeful Bowman can do some more work here I'm not holding out hope.
You may want to get ready for 'more kids' and the Sharp reunion tour.

What if Stan is quietly working on a move for Duchene?
- nickmo2699

Then I'm ducking because the pigs flying over my house might hit me.

Offer Sheet Schultz from Pitt

As I mentioned yesterday - Stan's NMCs to players and some overpays have this team in cap hell. You look at CCs deal and twice the Hawks wanted to move him and twice he vetoed. If Darling is the starter you're saving 2 mil...just one example. Now I don't think CC is overpaid, and is a great goalie, but the cap is the cap. Also why the overpay on Panik? Panik and his agent signed right off and couldn't believe their fortune when they were offered that deal.

All of these smaller moves add up. And while Bowman has made a couple of big strikes here we're still sitting relatively where we were in regard to cap space or lack thereof.

While I'm hopeful Bowman can do some more work here I'm not holding out hope.
You may want to get ready for 'more kids' and the Sharp reunion tour.
- DK002

Where are you getting this info from? 2.8 million for a 45 point player is not bad at all. Erik Haula is making that. So is Tomas Hertl. Those are 45pt and below players.

Offer Sheet Schultz from Pitt
- nickmo2699

Unless Ulfie is changing our D system (which I hope he does) Schultz would be Daley 2.0

Where are you getting this info from? 2.8 million for a 45 point player is not bad at all. Erik Haula is making that. So is Tomas Hertl. Those are 45pt and below players.
- JRoenick97

Panik's agent pretty much said they were happy the Hawks didn't try to low ball them and people read it as Bowman overpaying. Market value actually suggests that Panik should have been paid $3.2-3.5m and guys like Lebrun said things like: "At $2.8 million per year, Panik left money on the table but credit to the player for knowing a good fit when he sees one. Smart decision"

Panik's agent pretty much said they were happy the Hawks didn't try to low ball them and people read it as Bowman overpaying. Market value actually suggests that Panik should have been paid $3.2-3.5m and guys like Lebrun said things like: "At $2.8 million per year, Panik left money on the table but credit to the player for knowing a good fit when he sees one. Smart decision"
- L_B_R

I read that from Lebrun. I thought 2.8 was fine. He was UFA and could have cashed in.

As you discuss Evander Kane please be objective and list his convictions. Anyone can say anything and this seems especially true in Buffalo. Also, whatever happened in Winnipeg also had strangeness attached to it. Winnipeg was dysfunctional for a period of time with a wacky Coach, as one problem. Additionally, it was odd that certain of the players attacking Evander Kane had their own problems. Buff for years came to Training Camp overweight.

I am not suggesting I watched loads of Buffalo games last year but I did watch some and Evander Kane seemed to play very hard all over the rink. He was certainly not the problem in Buffalo last year but was actually a bright spot. If, in fact, he is available, and the Hawks have interest, neither of which I necessarily believe he would be a good acquisition. Sort of flies in the face of the recent trend of acquiring players that are controlled with term but this may also affect what the Hawks have to give up to get him.
- Z3Hawk

Fair request, for sure. AFAIK, no convictions either through guilty plea or trial. I look at it this way: there was enough to charge him and arrest him (not true with P Kane in 2015). There was more than one woman and a bouncer reporting issues on the night that led to the arrest. There was also another allegation by another woman of a worse nature.

With P Kane, I was following along in excruciating detail until it was resolved as he is one of my favorite Hawks. I said if another woman came forward with similar allegations or another similar story, I would write him off, no matter what the ultimate outcome of the known incident. Similar to Bill Cosby, if there are multiple reports, I tend to believe there is a pattern there.

HOWEVER, I would like nothing more than for E Kane to not be what it looks like he might be. For his sake, his team's sake, and the people he is around. IF the Hawks take a flyer on him, then fine, but I'm not going to be shocked at all if there is another incident.

Like I said to someone yesterday, we can agree to disagree, and I'll hope that all of you are correct that he has no remaining issues.

Won't bring it up again...if the non-directly-related-to-hockey talk has bothered people, my apologies.

http://www.tsn.ca/overdri...-the-hall-of-fame~1155182

Video on TSN about whether Roenick be in the HHOF.

Panik's agent pretty much said they were happy the Hawks didn't try to low ball them and people read it as Bowman overpaying. Market value actually suggests that Panik should have been paid $3.2-3.5m and guys like Lebrun said things like: "At $2.8 million per year, Panik left money on the table but credit to the player for knowing a good fit when he sees one. Smart decision"
- L_B_R

He never provides any favorable spin for SB though

I expect the Hawks to sign Oduya or Campbell, and won't be surprised if it's both.

Ulfie had Del Zotto for the first half of his first year at the Rangers. Wonder if that is part of it.
- JRoenick97

It is

Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Tom Wilson
- mrpaulish

This never gets old.

Fair request, for sure. AFAIK, no convictions either through guilty plea or trial. I look at it this way: there was enough to charge him and arrest him (not true with P Kane in 2015). There was more than one woman and a bouncer reporting issues on the night that led to the arrest. There was also another allegation by another woman of a worse nature.

With P Kane, I was following along in excruciating detail until it was resolved as he is one of my favorite Hawks. I said if another woman came forward with similar allegations or another similar story, I would write him off, no matter what the ultimate outcome of the known incident. Similar to Bill Cosby, if there are multiple reports, I tend to believe there is a pattern there.

HOWEVER, I would like nothing more than for E Kane to not be what it looks like he might be. For his sake, his team's sake, and the people he is around. IF the Hawks take a flyer on him, then fine, but I'm not going to be shocked at all if there is another incident.

Like I said to someone yesterday, we can agree to disagree, and I'll hope that all of you are correct that he has no remaining issues.

Won't bring it up again...if the non-directly-related-to-hockey talk has bothered people, my apologies.
- pdx2ord

PDX, I share similar sentiments about you regarding this discussion on whether the Hawks should pursue E Kane. I personally would say no regardless of what he brings to the table in terms of hockey skills, qualities, etc. His pattern of behavior is too concerning from a humanitarian perspective.

I understand that the Hawks do have a history of acquiring players with negative histories as reclamation projects, so to speak (i.e. Probert, Fluery, Darling). Some work, some don't. We could also bring up P Kane's past and say if we took a risk on him, why not E Kane. One major difference between Patrick and Evander is that Patrick has always been Hawk's property while Evander has not. In a relative sense, it's much easier to simply say no to a player who is not in your organization versus a player in your organization who happens to be an elite star and who is a face of the franchise and driver of revenue.

That Zawaski rumor about the Hawks having zero interest in Evander could possibly be true. One theory could be that the scouting department and others in player personnel, which could include Bowman, may want to pursue him but the "zero interest" may be coming from McDonough who is all about public relations.

I expect the Hawks to sign Oduya or Campbell, and won't be surprised if it's both.
- Cmonalready

I'd rather keep Oduya.

Hoping they can cut ties with Campbell and Rozy. But, I guess they're good depth guys? I don't know, I'm just ready to move on from older Defensemen/past Hawks.

I'd rather keep Oduya.

Hoping they can cut ties with Campbell and Rozy. But, I guess they're good depth guys? I don't know, I'm just ready to move on from older Defensemen/past Hawks.
- Hank3Henshaw

I'd rather have Soupy. Oduya looked bad. Soup can still skate and would fit better with what Ulf put in with the Rangers.

With the caveat that Oduya may have still been hurt.

Nashville didn't want to lose Neal they tried to make a deal with Vegas where they wouldn't take him, didn't you read after he was taken David Poile the GM of Nashville said that it was painful to lose Neal so yeah they wanted to keep him but couldn't.

It is
- John Jaeckel

Is Del Zotto on Stan's radar as well?

Trade AA for D, Kruger for pick, Offer sheet Palat, if that doesnt work Galchenyuk, if that doesnt work Tyler Johnson.

the more I'm thinking about it, i'm pretty optimistic/intrigued to see Dauphin's game. Sounds like he could very well be a Kruger replacement with more offensive talent.

Canes resigned Chelios' son, Jake.

Nice.
- Hank3Henshaw

So does he have to beat TVR for a roster spot?

I'd rather have Soupy. Oduya looked bad. Soup can still skate and would fit better with what Ulf put in with the Rangers.

With the caveat that Oduya may have still been hurt.
- JRoenick97

Understandable. I think Oduya was playing injured and tend to like his style a bit more than Soupy.

But...I'm not really sure what kind of game/system Ulf runs, so I'll take your word for it.

Speaking of systems...I watched a really cool interview with Bobby Orr where he talked about how there were really no systems in his playing days. It was more sort of run-and-gun. He's not a big fan of all these systems/schemes now-a-days.

via Elliotte Friedman

Sam Gagner makes a lot of sense as a right-handed power play option to replace Artemi Panarin in Chicago. He was dynamite with Columbus in that role. It is believed Vancouver also has interest in his services.