$750,000 for Forsberg and $800,000 for Jurco
- DarthKane

Thanks

and escrow protected. salary gets the ~15% escrow haircut.

bonuses are paid 100%, no escrow.
- Tumbleweed

Do you have a source for that?

I don't think it's true: all bonuses (signing, performance-based, etc.) become part of the "Players' Share" and are part of the 50% split - which means that the signing bonuses are subject to the escrow.

At least that's how I read the CBA (which gives me a headache, so I may be wrong).

It also doesn't make sense that bonuses wouldn't be included - they are part of player compensation, they are subject to the cap, averaged over the life of the contract....

What about LVG Riley Smith?
- Bjm84

I suggested that yesterday. Think he's a bit too expensive.

E. Kane has never played more than 70 games in his 8 year career. That's a concern as well....... And Sage, I for one read even your double posts.
- Mr Ricochet

As well you should....

As well you should....
- StLBravesFan

Not to mention he's supposedly a cancer in the locker room.

Sharp - pass
Shaw - pass
Neal - pass

We want to get younger and faster not older and slower.

I know all nice and fuzzy about bringing old favorites back but it rarely works.

Kane, Gal etc,. is the right direction if the FO can make the $ work.
- Hawkster

Posted this at the end of the last blog, so here goes again:

Evander Kane has a CAP HIT OF $5.25M for the last year of his contract. Maybe the Hawks get Anisimov to waive his NMC in order to play out the last 4 years of his $4.55M contract in the beautiful city of Buffalo. And maybe Buffalo retains 50% salary, so that there is some cap savings this year.

But I ask everyone to weigh in: what's the LONG TERM plan? E. Kane will want MORE money the following year, so we're back in cap hell. Or he's a bust, and now the Hawks have traded away their cost-controlled, defensibly reliable center who also potted a few shorties on the PK his first year here.

Whether you like the Saad + Forsberg for Panarin deal or the Murphy + Dauphin for Hjalmarrson deal, there is no doubt the team got younger, faster, and obtained cost certainty two years down the road. And I really think "down the road" is the hope. Sure, they Hawks won the "President's Trophy of the West," with a bunch of rookies. The hope is that the rookies make big improvements, Toews and Keith return to form, and the Hawks can be competitive IN THE PLAYOFFS over the next few years before Keith and Seabs are totally done.

What's the LONG TERM plan to get Toews and Kane another cup or cups?

Edit: Is E. Kane a boom/bust one-year rental for Cup #4??? That seems like wishful thinking.

Do you have a source for that?

I don't think it's true: all bonuses (signing, performance-based, etc.) become part of the "Players' Share" and are part of the 50% split - which means that the signing bonuses are subject to the escrow.

At least that's how I read the CBA (which gives me a headache, so I may be wrong).

It also doesn't make sense that bonuses wouldn't be included - they are part of player compensation, they are subject to the cap, averaged over the life of the contract....
- StLBravesFan

You are right in that it is still part of the player's share, but I think the League isn't subtracting the dollars off that part to go into the escrow pool of money. I think all it means in the end is that the league is holding onto less of the dollars until the time they pay back the remaining when the season is over. The players still get the same money but it is a difference as to how much is held in terms of real dollars vs what they get back from escrow.

Do you have a source for that?

I don't think it's true: all bonuses (signing, performance-based, etc.) become part of the "Players' Share" and are part of the 50% split - which means that the signing bonuses are subject to the escrow.

At least that's how I read the CBA (which gives me a headache, so I may be wrong).

It also doesn't make sense that bonuses wouldn't be included - they are part of player compensation, they are subject to the cap, averaged over the life of the contract....
- StLBravesFan

Yeah, pretty sure bonuses pay into escrow as well.

He might be thinking of the fact salary bonuses work different for buyouts. Players still get 100% of bonus money if they are bought out, and their cap number reflects that.

Posted this at the end of the last blog, so here goes again:

Evander Kane has a CAP HIT OF $5.25M for the last year of his contract. Maybe the Hawks get Anisimov to waive his NMC in order to play out the last 4 years of his $4.55M contract in the beautiful city of Buffalo. And maybe Buffalo retains 50% salary, so that there is some cap savings this year.

But I ask everyone to weigh in: what's the LONG TERM plan? E. Kane will want MORE money the following year, so we're back in cap hell. Or he's a bust, and now the Hawks have traded away their cost-controlled, defensibly reliable center who also potted a few shorties on the PK his first year here.

Whether you like the Saad + Forsberg for Panarin deal or the Murphy + Dauphin for Hjalmarrson deal, there is no doubt the team got younger, faster, and obtained cost certainty two years down the road. And I really think "down the road" is the hope. Sure, they Hawks won the "President's Trophy of the West," with a bunch of rookies. The hope is that the rookies make big improvements, Toews and Keith return to form, and the Hawks can be competitive IN THE PLAYOFFS over the next few years before Keith and Seabs are totally done.

What's the LONG TERM plan to get Toews and Kane another cup or cups?

Edit: Is E. Kane a boom/bust one-year rental for Cup #4??? That seems like wishful thinking.
- DMChi2010

Spot on.

After the initial big moves, reality will make it hard for any more major deals.

It's the same as any other trade. The signing bonus being paid by us has no affect on the cap hit going to Vegas. You can't just "retain a cap hit" before the season started. Lots of guys get bonuses and it ha no affect on which team gets the cap hit. Player gone = cap hit gone.

Mystery d-man I was referring to was Christian Folin.

Sounds like the Hawks want to see what his health status is, and if good to go, they are interested. This could happen.
- John Jaeckel

And they should be interested. He's also a right handed shot. ...... Very interesting.

Is Folin an UFA?
- z1990z

Minnesota didn't qualify him so yes he's a UFA.

It's the same as any other trade. The signing bonus being paid by us has no affect on the cap hit going to Vegas. You can't just "retain a cap hit" before the season started. Lots of guys get bonuses and it ha no affect on which team gets the cap hit. Player gone = cap hit gone.
- JRoenick97

This is true. The Hawks can keep Kruger, pay the $$$ and then trade the cap hit.

He will be on July 1, the Wild did not extend a qualifying offer.
- DarthKane

Arbitration rights play into this. Frolin has numbers that would get him an award for a $ amount the Wild can't or wouldn't want to pay. And then they would have to walk away from the player.
By not qualifying him, now they can still resign him as a UFA if they want with no established arbitration number .

Same thing happened with Brett Connolly in Washington. And then he resigned with them before July 1.

Spot on.

After the initial big moves, reality will make it hard for any more major deals.
- RaleighHawk

As it stands now, moving Kruger, and getting nothing back for him that hits the cap, brings the Hawks within pennies under the upper limit.

That means any room for other deals requires:

1. Hossa's LTIR money ($5.275MM toward new players)
2. Straight up value for value roster trades
3. Dumping another contract under NMC ( not likely )

After Kruger gets moved, that could be it. Hard to add to much but bottom six. Im resolved to guys like Vanek, Gagne being the targets.

Not to mention he's supposedly a cancer in the locker room.
- Hank3Henshaw

This reason alone makes me wonder why they would consider him. 5.25M contract too

Arbitration rights play into this. Frolin has numbers that would get him an award for a $ amount the Wild can't or wouldn't want to pay. And then they would have to walk away from the player.
By not qualifying him, now they can still resign him as a UFA if they want with no established arbitration number .

Same thing happened with Brett Connolly in Washington. And then he resigned with them before July 1.
- RickJ

Agreed and I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen.

Arbitration rights play into this. Frolin has numbers that would get him an award for a $ amount the Wild can't or wouldn't want to pay. And then they would have to walk away from the player.
By not qualifying him, now they can still resign him as a UFA if they want with no established arbitration number .

Same thing happened with Brett Connolly in Washington. And then he resigned with them before July 1.
- RickJ

Correct, it was an arbitration thing with Folin. That said I think he has a much better chance for ice time and a solidified role with the Hawks than with the Wild. They've got a deep defense in MN but the Hawks are only an experienced 3 deep.

This reason alone makes me wonder why they would consider him. 5.25M contract too
- FeartheFeathers

Total agree

Just looking at CapFriendly and even checked some birthdates...

With Hossa gone, and Tootoo not counting (of course), Toews is now the oldest forward on the team with Anisimov one month behind. P. Kane is next.

On the back end, Keith and Seabrook are 7 and 6 years older than the next man up, Kempny. Crawford is 32, has three years left on his contract, and has his young replacement waiting in the wings.

If I'm the Hawks, I look for this next year as another "wait-and-see" year. Surely, they were pretty shocked at the most points in the West with all the rookies. Can they do something similar this year AND not flame out in the first round, even if they don't get to the conference finals or beyond?

Important things to wait and see about:
1) Do Toews and Keith return to form, and does a team defensive effort due to plenty of good coaching assuage the loss of Hossa?

If "Yes," then 2) Did the youth improve and take the next big steps on cheap ELC's? If "Yes," then 3) Can they add help at the deadline and be legit contenders or even further retool next summer with cost-controlled help to make it over the top? This would be Cup #4 for Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook and Cup #3 for Crawford and Saad before the window closes.

If No to Toews and Keith returning to form, then the full rebuild must be on. The question becomes not can they get Toews and Kane Cup #4 in the next few years, but it should be can they get Kane Cup #4 in 5 years?? Crawford will be gone, they need to consider moving Keith and Seabrook while they still have a modicum of value, and they should look to send Toews home to Winnipeg.

Arbitration rights play into this. Frolin has numbers that would get him an award for a $ amount the Wild can't or wouldn't want to pay. And then they would have to walk away from the player.
By not qualifying him, now they can still resign him as a UFA if they want with no established arbitration number .

Same thing happened with Brett Connolly in Washington. And then he resigned with them before July 1.
- RickJ

Maybe he didn't take kindly to them circumventing his arbitration rights and wont sign with them. One can hope.

This is true. The Hawks can keep Kruger, pay the $$$ and then trade the cap hit.
- breadbag

Unless a center comes back my guess is if AA is traded they keep Kruger ad if they don't move AA they move Kruger. ..........Hawks can't go into the season with just 1 NHL experienced center especially with only 3 sure fire experienced Dmen.

Total agree
- Hank3Henshaw

Just say no to E. Kane. Guy has been a nut bag since juniors.

As it stands now, moving Kruger, and getting nothing back for him that hits the cap, brings the Hawks within pennies under the upper limit.

That means any room for other deals requires:

1. Hossa's LTIR money ($5.275MM)
2. Straight up value for value roster trades (best option)
3. Dumping another contract under NMC ( not likely )

After Kruger gets moved, that could be it.
- Return of the Roar

Probably the Hawks won't carry 3 goalies so that factors in but likely Rutta takes that roster spot. The Hossa LTIR will play into it but still hope the Hawks move AA. It is best for the team to move on if they can get an acceptable deal.

Ulfie had Del Zotto for the first half of his first year at the Rangers. Wonder if that is part of it.