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I guess I don't understand how the hawks could acquire ANY UFA with many guys needing deals and Kruger still here. Krugs is gone after the bonus kicks in b/c nobody else wants to pay it.

Michael Del Zotto? He still haven't adjusted to playing dee.

Alzner? I must be missing something there, b/c over paying him doesn't get you points.

...and Evander Kane may look mighty good looking at stats or thinking about how he COULD be gritty, but I am not sure he is looking to mak eless money despite his variou off ice situtions and how he was viewed as a lazy butt w/o regard for the rules in Winnipeg?
Let's just ignore that SUBTRACT a character player we know and add one that MAY be suspect?
- wiz1901

Yes, thank you. Character is what will carry you over the top in tight games, especially in the playoffs.

Amazing the rationalization gymnastics people will go through to ignore KNOWN locker room and off-ice criminal issues simply because a guy has on-ice skill. His character is a huge red flag, at least to me. That McD would take that risk, given recent history, boggles my mind.

One incident like he was accused of/arrested for more than once in Buffalo in his last year, and kiss our season goodbye and the Hawks can kiss some more fans goodbye. Because this time, they went into it eyes wide open and said, essentially, "winning matters more than safety of the women in Chicago."

the Bonus issue happened with a player last year and I read the article, even though the hawks pay 2 mil bonus and Vegas pays 1.5 mil this year and 2.3 next hawks carry $0 AAV and Vegas carries 3.1 AAV. so it makes allot of sense though I did hear vegas was closer to the cap then some thought. Merthot trade helped. I have not looked at the cap in while but thought even with trading Krugs we were still over the cap by 1 mil. this is before Hossa which I don't think will be resolved for a bit.

What about Krugs and AZ the added Stepan and hammer adding a 3/4 line center. that is cheap 1.875 over 2 years and in his prime might be good. Maybe could make a push for the playoffs?

Canes resigned Chelios' son, Jake.

Nice.

[I also heard the name of another young defenseman with another Central Division club the team has their eye on. More on that, possibly, to come.]

hmmm....
- jt19

Trade or a guy that is (or will be) off the street? Folin from MN was not given a QO...

Maybe the mystery dman is Folin who was not qualified by Wild

No thanks, my man.
- Hank3Henshaw

I just heard it yesterday...wondered if it had any legs.

There is a difference between actual money paid and cap hit. I believe, it is like this:

The Hawks will pay Krüger his 2M bonus on July 1st. Then they will trade him to Vegas and all of his cap hit is removed from their team cap. During the regular season Oct–Apr, for every day Krüger is on the Vegas roster, portion of his cap hit applies to the overall cap hit of the Vegas team, while he is being paid (monthly I guess) the remaining portion of his salary (1.083M) over that time.

Salary actually paid: Hawks 2M, Vegas 1.083M
Expected cap hit: Hawks 0, Vegas 3.083M

Retained salary makes no sense for the Blackhawks, that would split the cap hit too.

Actually, bonuses are being paid at the beginning of the July no matter what. The salary is paid during the regular season and if there is a lockout, players are not getting anything. No regular season = No salary. That's why a lot of higher paid guys have high bonuses, these contracts are lockout-protected.
- stonefire

Kruger cash wise get 3.5 mil this year 2 7/1 and 1.5 the balance of the year.

I just heard it yesterday...wondered if it had any legs.
- The-O-G

Yep. It's been floating around for a few days. Personally, I hope it doesn't happen.

Hey, big pickup for you guys with Hamonic. Are you pumped?

There is a difference between actual money paid and cap hit. I believe, it is like this:

The Hawks will pay Krüger his 2M bonus on July 1st. Then they will trade him to Vegas and all of his cap hit is removed from their team cap. During the regular season Oct–Apr, for every day Krüger is on the Vegas roster, portion of his cap hit applies to the overall cap hit of the Vegas team, while he is being paid (monthly I guess) the remaining portion of his salary (1.083M) over that time.

Salary actually paid: Hawks 2M, Vegas 1.083M
Expected cap hit: Hawks 0, Vegas 3.083M

Retained salary makes no sense for the Blackhawks, that would split the cap hit too.

Actually, bonuses are being paid at the beginning of the July no matter what. The salary is paid during the regular season and if there is a lockout, players are not getting anything. No regular season = No salary. That's why a lot of higher paid guys have high bonuses, these contracts are lockout-protected.
- stonefire

and escrow protected. salary gets the ~15% escrow haircut.

bonuses are paid 100%, no escrow.

[I also heard the name of another young defenseman with another Central Division club the team has their eye on. More on that, possibly, to come.]

hmmm....
- jt19

Trouba

Trouba
- DarthKane

Feel like the Hawks would have to give quite a bit to the Jets for him, right?

Yes, thank you. Character is what will carry you over the top in tight games, especially in the playoffs.

Amazing the rationalization gymnastics people will go through to ignore KNOWN locker room and off-ice criminal issues simply because a guy has on-ice skill. His character is a huge red flag, at least to me. That McD would take that risk, given recent history, boggles my mind.

One incident like he was accused of/arrested for more than once in Buffalo in his last year, and kiss our season goodbye and the Hawks can kiss some more fans goodbye. Because this time, they went into it eyes wide open and said, essentially, "winning matters more than safety of the women in Chicago."
- pdx2ord

pdx, I share your concerns about E. Kane's off-ice behavior, and agree that it doesn't square with McD's (supposed) character requirements. That being said, the NHL is a business, and McD's bosses are in it to make money. I'm guessing his moral inflexibility could relax if he felt the player would get his team closer to a championship (see Bulls-Rodman, Cubs-Chapman, etc.) after consecutive first-round exits. I'm guessing the business calculation would be that a deep playoff run would offset the PR debacle.

Personally, I wouldn't want E. Kane because of 1) the off-ice issues; 2) the on-ice lack of discipline, leading to stupid penalties; and 3) he's a one-year solution, at best. While he checks a lot of boxes -- potentially -- I'd prefer they go in a different direction (not Neal, tho!!).

Feel like the Hawks would have to give quite a bit to the Jets for him, right?
- Hank3Henshaw

Jurco and a 2nd round draft pick.

I just heard it yesterday...wondered if it had any legs.
- The-O-G

The rumor may, but Sharp doesn't anymore.

The rumor may, but Sharp doesn't anymore.


- Hank_Greenberg

The GIF makes it.

Nobody saw the Murphy deal coming. Nobody surmised that Saad was returning in a deal for Panerin.

JJ certainly had reapeated that Nik H and Panerin might be on the move. Full marks to him on the intel, But the return was stunning.

Point being, we might yet again be surprised this weekend with what Bowman pulls off. Having said that, I doubt he goes old and trending downward.

Younger guys like Beau Bennett, Joe Morrow and yes Del Zotto might interest him.

A face off specialist and penalty killer like McClement for cheap, perhaps.

It's like beer leaguers like myself, always looking in the "clearance bin" for a really good stick for a bargain.

I guess I don't understand how the hawks could acquire ANY UFA with many guys needing deals and Kruger still here. Krugs is gone after the bonus kicks in b/c nobody else wants to pay it.

Michael Del Zotto? He still haven't adjusted to playing dee.

Alzner? I must be missing something there, b/c over paying him doesn't get you points.

...and Evander Kane may look mighty good looking at stats or thinking about how he COULD be gritty, but I am not sure he is looking to mak eless money despite his variou off ice situtions and how he was viewed as a lazy butt w/o regard for the rules in Winnipeg?
Let's just ignore that SUBTRACT a character player we know and add one that MAY be suspect?
- wiz1901

Ever rumor is "fake," until it happens.

There is a difference between actual money paid and cap hit. I believe, it is like this:

The Hawks will pay Krüger his 2M bonus on July 1st. Then they will trade him to Vegas and all of his cap hit is removed from their team cap. During the regular season Oct–Apr, for every day Krüger is on the Vegas roster, portion of his cap hit applies to the overall cap hit of the Vegas team, while he is being paid (monthly I guess) the remaining portion of his salary (1.083M) over that time.

Salary actually paid: Hawks 2M, Vegas 1.083M
Expected cap hit: Hawks 0, Vegas 3.083M

Retained salary makes no sense for the Blackhawks, that would split the cap hit too.

Actually, bonuses are being paid at the beginning of the July no matter what. The salary is paid during the regular season and if there is a lockout, players are not getting anything. No regular season = No salary. That's why a lot of higher paid guys have high bonuses, these contracts are lockout-protected.
- stonefire

This makes the most sense, especially if the original rumors were correct with regards to leaving TVR exposed in return for Vegas taking Kruger. I can't see why Stan would back away from a handshake deal ridding himself of the Kruger cap hit and telling Vegas to just take TVR instead.

Obviously the original rumor could have been wrong and there never was such a deal in place.

Jacob Trouba cost you one of your Core guys b/c I don't think and /or AA-Kruger gets it done,a and are the core guys gonna actually go to 'peg? No

Maybe a there way trade gets them a Wild cast off, but the question remains how DOES Winnipeg keep Trouba happy when he wants to be on the RIGHT side, not off hand on the left side.

More chance Tallon eats half of Demers than any of the other scenarios, in my mind, but I am the guy who thought they would never break up one of the best lines in hockey.
- wiz1901

Trouba is somebody the Jets really want to keep but also know he would bring them a massive return if they elected to trade him.

Tyler Myers and broken down Toby Enstrom are 2 of the Jets Dmen who would be available. Jetsa would probably pick up some of Enstrom's wages.

I have always liked Ben Chiarot.

Trouba is somebody the Jets really want to keep but also know he would bring them a massive return if they elected to trade him.

Tyler Myers and broken down Toby Enstrom are 2 of the Jets Dmen who would be available. Jetsa would probably pick up some of Enstrom's wages.

I have always liked Ben Chiarot.
- RickJ

Kruger and Seabrook for Trouba and a prospect or something.

There is a difference between actual money paid and cap hit. I believe, it is like this:

The Hawks will pay Krüger his 2M bonus on July 1st. Then they will trade him to Vegas and all of his cap hit is removed from their team cap. During the regular season Oct–Apr, for every day Krüger is on the Vegas roster, portion of his cap hit applies to the overall cap hit of the Vegas team, while he is being paid (monthly I guess) the remaining portion of his salary (1.083M) over that time.

Salary actually paid: Hawks 2M, Vegas 1.083M
Expected cap hit: Hawks 0, Vegas 3.083M

Retained salary makes no sense for the Blackhawks, that would split the cap hit too.

Actually, bonuses are being paid at the beginning of the July no matter what. The salary is paid during the regular season and if there is a lockout, players are not getting anything. No regular season = No salary. That's why a lot of higher paid guys have high bonuses, these contracts are lockout-protected.
- stonefire

This is what's (since) been explained to me, makes perfect sense.

And, no, retaining salary on a cap dump doesn't make a ton of sense—only to the extent you reduce the cap hit.

Just like buying out players doesn't make a ton of sense either by the same logic (unless I'm overlooking something?).

Kruger and Seabrook for Trouba and a prospect or something.
- Hank3Henshaw

Mystery d-man I was referring to was Christian Folin.

Sounds like the Hawks want to see what his health status is, and if good to go, they are interested. This could happen.

pdx, I share your concerns about E. Kane's off-ice behavior, and agree that it doesn't square with McD's (supposed) character requirements. That being said, the NHL is a business, and McD's bosses are in it to make money. I'm guessing his moral inflexibility could relax if he felt the player would get his team closer to a championship (see Bulls-Rodman, Cubs-Chapman, etc.) after consecutive first-round exits. I'm guessing the business calculation would be that a deep playoff run would offset the PR debacle.

Personally, I wouldn't want E. Kane because of 1) the off-ice issues; 2) the on-ice lack of discipline, leading to stupid penalties; and 3) he's a one-year solution, at best. While he checks a lot of boxes -- potentially -- I'd prefer they go in a different direction (not Neal, tho!!).
- Hank_Greenberg

Thanks and, yes, I understand the business aspect and the (irrational?) desire to overlook red flags like all of those you have mentioned simply because he does fill an obvious skill gap on the team. I hope there is another alternative out there. If not, I hope those on here, including JJ on his Twitter, saying he has supposedly over come all of his issues are right.

I want the Hawks to win again so, so badly. I just don't want them to do so by compromising what they say they stand for in the process.

Kruger and Seabrook for Trouba and a prospect or something.
- Hank3Henshaw

That could happen - in your dreams ............