Didn't trade Havlat. In fact, wanted to keep him and did not want Hossa. Hossa was a Scotty Bowman coup...as was Q
- PatShart

This is exactly correct.

gagner reports seem to have the same feel as the oshie ones last week.

why would he take a discount after a strong season when another team will pony up and pay him? not saying I want him. just seems every player is connected to the hawks right now- and that has to be a good thing for all of these players.

If I had to choose, I'd have picked up Rasmussen over Kero. Much higher defensive impact and better possession maintainer. Kero rode a 104 PDO last year so his production is likely to go down and he struggled when given some Kruger usage/deployment when he was out. Better skater, though.
- L_B_R

I thought I was about the only one on here who thought Rasmussen was a useful player.

gagner reports seem to have the same feel as the oshie ones last week.

why would he take a discount after a strong season when another team will pony up and pay him? not saying I want him. just seems every player is connected to the hawks right now- and that has to be a good thing for all of these players.
- frafra

Not sure he would but there is a Kane connection...

I thought I was about the only one on here who thought Rasmussen was a useful player.
- Al

i like rasmussen for what he is- a 4th line player who can play a little bit.

Not sure he would but there is a Kane connection...
- Al

would be interesting to see the # he would sign for, if in fact he did/does end up signing with the Hawks.

evander kane is very intriguing the more his name is brought up.

as much as I like AA, i would move him for only a year of E. Kane. SB clearly has a plan to clear up money moving forward and rid himself and the team of some of these bigger, long term deals.

Hossa had nothing to do with Soctty Bowman. After Detroit chose to extend Franzzen in 2009, Hossa sought the Hawks out through his agent after evaluating teams with a younger group of players who gave him the best chance to win. Article is on google.

Quenneville WAS pushed through once Scotty sat and watched Savard try to run a training camp and alerted management he wasn't he long term solution.
- SteveRain

....Havlat and his agent were locked into Tallon by the hip and thought they were going to be staying.
Scotty got permission to talk to Hossa early from Detroit...I agree on Q.

Maybe the harsh critics on here might like a season or 2 of Jim Benning or Joe Sakic at the helm of the Goodship Blackhawk.

I'm not Bowman's biggest fan, but he does better than most. And I especially like the Panarin trade.
- RickJ

I think Bowman gets maybe a little more credit then deserved and Tallon gets less then he should.

I think Bowman has done well replacing 2dn and 3rd tier guys to surround his core guys and win multiple cups. Rumor has it McDavid will get 14 million.....so Kane;s 10.5 won't or shouldn't be viewed negatively.

The Vermette trade we could all see coming after center size and depth cost them in 14 vs LA....the kane injury allowed it The Timonen trade and what he gave up.....awful. No issue with the Ladd trade or acquiring Fleischman or Weise. Even Oduya this year.....

Bowman is loyal to fault and the combination of high AAV and clauses really has created a corner for him to navigate out of due to flat cap raises as Wiz nicely pointed out. .

I love the Saad trade.

I have doubts of captain America and looking at a D corps of question marks from 3-7today.....it's only June 27th....hopefully that changes by training camp....but realistically WHO is going to go......Murphy, Rutta, Kempny? No, no, no.......Rozsival? NObody wants him.....so that leaves Frosling......

I think Bowman gets maybe a little more credit then deserved and Tallon gets less then he should.

I think Bowman has done well replacing 2dn and 3rd tier guys to surround his core guys and win multiple cups. Rumor has it McDavid will get 14 million.....so Kane;s 10.5 won't or shouldn't be viewed negatively.

The Vermette trade we could all see coming after center size and depth cost them in 14 vs LA....the kane injury allowed it The Timonen trade and what he gave up.....awful. No issue with the Ladd trade or acquiring Fleischman or Weise. Even Oduya this year.....

Bowman is loyal to fault and the combination of high AAV and clauses really has created a corner for him to navigate out of due to flat cap raises as Wiz nicely pointed out. .

I love the Saad trade.

I have doubts of captain America and looking at a D corps of question marks from 3-7today.....it's only June 27th....hopefully that changes by training camp....but realistically WHO is going to go......Murphy, Rutta, Kempny? No, no, no.......Rozsival? NObody wants him.....so that leaves Frosling......
- SteveRain

anisimov, forsling for duchene???

I truly wish I could get Canadian sports channels....even with a satellite.

WHat I truly continue to find amazing is that Freidman continues to out scoop our local press........Hossa LTIR, trades, Gagner (possible) but the one that truly got me tonight is his nugget about Quenneville storming out of the coaches meeting at the draft Friday as the trades went down......and this happened in front of the press.........crickets from Chicago media. Why? Are we protecting what is becoming an abundantly clear narrative of a very tense relationship between Stan and Joel about to reach a boiling point? I have to think so.......

Based on said reaction on Friday, obvious Q had ZERO notice of 72 and 4 being dealt.....doubt he was upset about 72 with 20 coming back.....but 4? Gotta think he was beyond pissed. This right after Q admitting his anger over Kitchen being axed.......do we see a pattern here?

This is NOT me picking Joel or STan or taking sides, as much as it is acknowledging a bad situation that seems to get worse each day....Like Billy Beane and Art Howe. Ir Jerry Krause and Phil Jackson OR Ditka and McCaskey.

I firmly believe the hot seat for Joel is a helluva lot hotter then any of us think.....and I have to think any sort of a slow start and Q is gone...........
- SteveRain

Yep I believe Q day's are numbered ,and Dineen or Ulf will be running the show sooner then later . Every coach has a shelf life ,and Q expiry date may have been last spring ..

....Havlat and his agent were locked into Tallon by the hip and thought they were going to be staying.
Scotty got permission to talk to Hossa early from Detroit...I agree on Q.
- Al

Article has Hossaa and his agent quoted talking to Hawks in Nontreal at the draft.......

BOth go into great detail about the entire system they used to rank the teams and where they saw the best fit.......

I thought I was about the only one on here who thought Rasmussen was a useful player.
- Al

Not alone Al. I like Moose for what he was

Yep I believe Q day's are numbered ,and Dineen or Ulf will be running the show sooner then later . Every coach has a shelf life ,and Q expiry date may have been last spring ..
- oldduffman

personally think it would be insane to fire Q...

team last spring was nothing in comparison to teams from the last few seasons. hawks had two aging defenseman in oduya/campbell, plus the number of rookies in and out of the line up. also had only one real scoring line. maybe fault him for not breaking up panarin/kane more, but i think last years team was coming to a head with a finish like that.

love what SB is doing right now. this organization needs massive change with the roster. I hope it continues.

Yep I believe Q day's are numbered ,and Dineen or Ulf will be running the show sooner then later . Every coach has a shelf life ,and Q expiry date may have been last spring ..
- oldduffman

If Dineen impressed that much in his exit interview may be in the wings waiting......

Agreed on Q....that team looked terrifying vs Nashville. LIke a team that quit on it's coach and playing to get him fired.

I think Bowman gets maybe a little more credit then deserved and Tallon gets less then he should.

I think Bowman has done well replacing 2dn and 3rd tier guys to surround his core guys and win multiple cups. Rumor has it McDavid will get 14 million.....so Kane;s 10.5 won't or shouldn't be viewed negatively.

The Vermette trade we could all see coming after center size and depth cost them in 14 vs LA....the kane injury allowed it The Timonen trade and what he gave up.....awful. No issue with the Ladd trade or acquiring Fleischman or Weise. Even Oduya this year.....

Bowman is loyal to fault and the combination of high AAV and clauses really has created a corner for him to navigate out of due to flat cap raises as Wiz nicely pointed out. .

I love the Saad trade.

I have doubts of captain America and looking at a D corps of question marks from 3-7today.....it's only June 27th....hopefully that changes by training camp....but realistically WHO is going to go......Murphy, Rutta, Kempny? No, no, no.......Rozsival? NObody wants him.....so that leaves Frosling......
- SteveRain

I think Tallon is a great scout but he can't manage a check book...No one was more loyal than Tallon if you consider how players were given huge raises and skipped a pay grade like Bolland-Buff-Versteeg. Actually how many times did Bolland get the motherload from Tallon?

Bowman has given out "reward" contracts but that is almost always going to happen when a player wins 3 Cups in a short span as was the case with Seabrook.

Tallon should get a good deal of credit for building the team but he has proven with more than one franchise he fails to balance the books.

Article has Hossaa and his agent quoted talking to Hawks in Nontreal at the draft.......

BOth go into great detail about the entire system they used to rank the teams and where they saw the best fit.......
- SteveRain

Yes and that's before the time free agents are normally allowed to talk to potential suitors.

anisimov, forsling for duchene???
- frafra

I wouldn't do that deal if I were Sakic. Based on him holding on to Duchene "for the right return" I believe the Hawks lost their best trade chip in Hammer, to acquire Duchene and with Saad here.......I just don't see it happening.

Yes and that's before the time free agents are normally allowed to talk to potential suitors.
- Al

Correct...same page......wasn't a true Scotty coup....that's all I was saying. There was mutual interest there. That's what I was getting at. Bowman didn't have to sell Hossa on the Hawks.....he was already sold.

If Dineen impressed that much in his exit interview may be in the wings waiting......

Agreed on Q....that team looked terrifying vs Nashville. LIke a team that quit on it's coach and playing to get him fired.
- SteveRain

It sounds harsh to say but if Hawks lose in the 1st round this season Q is gone and if they lose in 2nd round he might be gone too....unless they are plagued with injuries.

As far as Dineen I think he deserves to get a HC gig like many of the coaches Tallon has fired...But McDonough hasn't rolled that way. When Tallon went as well as Pulford almost everyone they touched was soon gone. Dineen was brought here by Q...In the end that may not work in his favor.

When you read the, you need to have both wiz and Rick's remarks fresh in mind. Now just for comparison sake, if we trade out each GM, dies anyone score 100% A+ over three to five years consecutively

You think a modern day Sam Pollack is going to bushwhack other GM's consistently ? Hardly

Sure Bowman made calculated gamble on return for Sharp. And I would gambler that way again. Sharp was a big contract. E is no spring chicken. The "has been past NHL help move like Timonen, yuk. Runsblad: funny how so many GM traded for him is there an explanation ....not really.....yuk. And Seabrook, even Anisinov after the others got their coin....opened up Rocky's bank vault too much. But the fact is the big, important foundation moves were correct. Toews, Keith, Kane, Hjalmarsson, Crawford done right.

How many other GM's win three Cups?

Now Q goes storming out. Screw him. He either goes with what Stan brings, or he can not let the door hit him. A HOF coach won three Cups despite some atrocious situations with roster, some of which is on Stan if players do not naturally like to screen goaltenders or over reliance on stick checks.

Nonetheless, I believe Duneen read the riot act to follow if proper changes were not forthcoming

I too approve of Bowman's trades. I love Samuelson hire

I would be sick if both Campbell ad Oduya return. That is what Q probably wants.
- jhawk59

I can't say that 66% of the defense being made up a combination of Murphy, Forsling, Kempny, Rutta, and Rozsival/Pokka as of TODAY is a cup winning or even LEGIT cup contending defensive end.......Again that could change and god willing will....by September.....

I also begin to wonder if the Hawks would truly trade AA....given how fast Bowman extended him to help lock in a true 2nd line center for Kane........

Bring back Sharp

Correct...same page......wasn't a true Scotty coup....that's all I was saying. There was mutual interest there. That's what I was getting at. Bowman didn't have to sell Hossa on the Hawks.....he was already sold.
- SteveRain

I think Hossa had a connection with Bowman in Detroit but he made his own choice and had his pick of teams.. I think where Bowman's influence came in was to veto giving Havlat a new deal.

I truly wish I could get Canadian sports channels....even with a satellite.

WHat I truly continue to find amazing is that Freidman continues to out scoop our local press........Hossa LTIR, trades, Gagner (possible) but the one that truly got me tonight is his nugget about Quenneville storming out of the coaches meeting at the draft Friday as the trades went down......and this happened in front of the press.........crickets from Chicago media. Why? Are we protecting what is becoming an abundantly clear narrative of a very tense relationship between Stan and Joel about to reach a boiling point? I have to think so.......

Based on said reaction on Friday, obvious Q had ZERO notice of 72 and 4 being dealt.....doubt he was upset about 72 with 20 coming back.....but 4? Gotta think he was beyond pissed. This right after Q admitting his anger over Kitchen being axed.......do we see a pattern here?

This is NOT me picking Joel or STan or taking sides, as much as it is acknowledging a bad situation that seems to get worse each day....Like Billy Beane and Art Howe. Ir Jerry Krause and Phil Jackson OR Ditka and McCaskey.

I firmly believe the hot seat for Joel is a helluva lot hotter then any of us think.....and I have to think any sort of a slow start and Q is gone...........
- SteveRain

There are 6 million reasons x 3 why firing Q would be a very slow process. And Q should be nowhere near the overheated point that Dave Tippet reached in frustration with the amateurs in Arizona.

Q might be pissed about losing Hammer, but what if Bowman and the rest of the management group decided that they wanted to move him out before his body breaks down completely and they turn out to be correct? We"ll see how good he plays pinned in his own zone most of the night with a bunch of young forwards not equipped to help.

And furthermore, maybe Bowman has now made it very clear to Q about who reports to who - now get on with coaching mister.

would be interesting to see the # he would sign for, if in fact he did/does end up signing with the Hawks.

evander kane is very intriguing the more his name is brought up.

as much as I like AA, i would move him for only a year of E. Kane. SB clearly has a plan to clear up money moving forward and rid himself and the team of some of these bigger, long term deals.
- frafra

Problem is I don't think Buffalo has a need for AA.

I can't say that 66% of the defense being made up a combination of Murphy, Forsling, Kempny, Rutta, and Rozsival/Pokka as of TODAY is a cup winning or even LEGIT cup contending defensive end.......Again that could change and god willing will....by September.....

I also begin to wonder if the Hawks would truly trade AA....given how fast Bowman extended him to help lock in a true 2nd line center for Kane........
- SteveRain

About AA:

I cannot get away from the fact that there is some pressure to stop the bleeding and Stan is under microscope to do good.

So I wonder how important is the face off proficiency. I wonder this in light of any lingering or chronic Toews back issues

I. expect one more veteran dman comes aboard. Campbell appears logical but how cheap will he go.?