love Zucc!
i became a ranger fan because of him!
- puckhead17

riiight

riiight
- 21peter

What? People aren't allowed to use your reason?

He's my idol - I learn
- 21peter

I know, I can't tell where Jimbo starts and you end.

What? People aren't allowed to use your reason?
- JRR1285

You're drinking today?

I know, I can't tell where Jimbo starts and you end.
- mdw7413

That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me

i dont follow you here...

he isnt signing for that cheap and that short term, so whats your point?
- mrn22

I only mentioned that particular lower rate, because even if Shatty were the only RH d'man option available that desperately would fill their offensive needs here, even at that lower cost, his haters as some on this site, still would not want him signed due to his questionable defense. But, they would RATHER CREATE MORE HOLES to trade a top forward to acquire Faulk, who is no better than Shatty both offensively, and more important, defensively (if not worse as I showed earlier in another post on this blog). Or, they would even rather trade in part, a younger Brady Skjei in order to land Trouba, as per that word in Winnipeg I also mentioned earlier on who in part it would take to do so again now.

I only mentioned that particular lower rate, because even if Shatty were the only RH d'man option available that desperately would fill their offensive needs here, even at that lower cost, his haters as some on this site, still would not want him signed due to his questionable defense. But, they would RATHER CREATE MORE HOLES to trade a top forward to acquire Faulk, who is no better than Shatty both offensively, and more important, defensively (if not worse as I showed earlier in another post on this blog). Or, they would even rather trade in part, a younger Brady Skjei in order to land Trouba, as per that word in Winnipeg I also mentioned earlier on who in part it would take to do so again now.
- RangerSaver

why on earth is it necessary to always talk about guys hating this and that - sounds a bit childish imo

riiight
- 21peter

truth
favorite player for 4 years. didn't have the balls to be a ranger fan until last 3-4 months

truth
favorite player for 4 years. didn't have the balls to be a ranger fan until last 3-4 months
- puckhead17

You're from the NYC area? Ever played hockey yourself?

I only mentioned that particular lower rate, because even if Shatty were the only RH d'man option available that desperately would fill their offensive needs here, even at that lower cost, his haters as some on this site, still would not want him signed due to his questionable defense. But, they would RATHER CREATE MORE HOLES to trade a top forward to acquire Faulk, who is no better than Shatty both offensively, and more important, defensively (if not worse as I showed earlier in another post on this blog). Or, they would even rather trade in part, a younger Brady Skjei in order to land Trouba, as per that word in Winnipeg I also mentioned earlier on who in part it would take to do so again now.
- RangerSaver

Anyone who thinks we're trading additional forwards for defense after trading Stepan already is high as hell

You're drinking today?
- 21peter

I wish.

You're from the NYC area? Ever played hockey yourself?
- 21peter

south jersey. i played in leagues back in the 80's
ha. im an old man now

Anyone who thinks we're trading additional forwards for defense after trading Stepan already is high as hell
- rangerdanger94

Depends what the game plan is and if you believe Grabner can be a 15-25 goal scorer again.

If Leetch was 30 and available, I'd pay the 7-years/$6-7M per. Why? Because we know he worked here in NY...and for some bad Ranger squads, to boot.

Have you not heard of Bobby Holik, Brad Richards, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez...to name a few that were signed to monster deals for tons of money. Other than the highway robbery Sather did to Montreal, what happened to each of these other players?

First few years of their deals seemed good, but after...couldn't trade those contracts away. It'll be a rinse and repeat if Shattenkirk is signed to that 7-year deal that is rumored. No thanks.

Now...if he'd do a three year deal at $6.5...then I'd do it. He'll still be in his prime to cash in on another good termed deal at 33.
- mames11

First, if you have read any of my Shatty related posts since the off season began, you will see that I am not advocating that they get into a bidding war for him. I have always said that they should only sign him at a NET LOWER COST, whether it be in lower money, or less years in term, or a combination of those two.
Second, and most important if you want the Rangers to be a Cup contender under Hank's remaining reign, Shatty isn't ANY FORWARD like you listed, who we are in need of here. He is a very important, and 90% less available RH SHOOTING D'MAN, who can be partnered with McDonagh, and also run our power play. You were happy with their dreadful 7.7% postseason power play??
Sometimes you have to accept some bad with the good, since Bobby Orrs' don't grow on trees, like your type only will be satisfied with here. In addition, if you are counting right now on Deangelo to do offensively and on the power play, what Shatty has proven he can already do likewise, you may become disappointed later on if he only becomes at best, another DelZotto.
If not trying to sign Shatty is your types' case, then don't also sign Smith, don't sign any other free agent that will command over $1.5M, don't acquire 1 or 2 centers and a gritty forward, but instead, start the FULL REBUILD by trading the appropriate names right now, including asking Hank if he would waive his NMC to try and win a Cup elsewhere with a REAL CUP CONTENDER.

south jersey. i played in leagues back in the 80's
ha. im an old man now
- puckhead17

I played in the 80's and 90's myself - and I still believe I'm 18

I dont think obtaining Trouba is realistic anymore. The only D-man that I am convinced we will sign is Smith. That said, would not be surprised to see Shatty sign in New York-----------Buffalo, NY.
If Gorton really thinks Day can make this team, there wont be any additions to defense this season and the cap $$ will be saved for next year, or used in a predatory trade where we provide cap RELIEF to another team.

Agreed. If Hank made Michel Rosival and Marek Malik look good, then I think McD, Skjei, Smith, Holden, AVA, Staal/Klein (if he's here) will be just fine.
- mames11

I could imagine what you were saying during Hank's bad stretches last season!
In addition, with his back issues if Klein were to be here, a past seriously injured Staal & Klein pairing would be a dumpster fire.

I played in the 80's and 90's myself - and I still believe I'm 18
- 21peter

i act 18 but sadly do not feel like it!
this off season sucks!

Then maybe he wants to come here so bad he will take a Zucc like discount?
ok maybe not Zucc like
- puckhead17

That's the way that I would favor his true wish being, based on his refusal to sign long term without even discussing contract with both the Lightning and Oilers, who had agreed upon trades made for him prior to becoming official. If he were that interested first or only more so in the overall money, then he not being willing to think of signing long term with Tampa Bay is even worse, due to the non state tax savings he would have received in Florida.
In addition to Zucc, McDonagh also took a discount for the team to remain a Ranger, while they were strapped for cap space.

I dont think obtaining Trouba is realistic anymore. The only D-man that I am convinced we will sign is Smith. That said, would not be surprised to see Shatty sign in New York-----------Buffalo, NY.
If Gorton really thinks Day can make this team, there wont be any additions to defense this season and the cap $$ will be saved for next year, or used in a predatory trade where we provide cap RELIEF to another team.
- TommyGTrain

i dont know
i initially thought stepans money was going to the D.
i guess B Smith would be it but i dont see this strong enough.
wish we had a trade chip for vaatanen. i would be all in for getting him
if he was available

That's the way that I would favor his true wish being, based on his refusal to sign long term without even discussing contract with both the Lightning and Oilers, who had agreed upon trades made for him prior to becoming official. If he were that interested first or only more so in the overall money, then he not being willing to think of signing long term with Tampa Bay is even worse, due to the non state tax savings he would have received in Florida.
- RangerSaver

yeah turning down the money in Tampa may be a sign, the tax relief, plus its a good team.

As I wrote last year and a few times this year, if money was the main driver, he would have taken the $ from Tampa. When you factor in the lack of state tax, team in front of him and Herman etc on blue line along with Vasilevskiy, pretty nice set up. It's why I think, and may be proven to be wrong, that money isn't the big driver. I don't expect a major home town discount, but some form of one could happen if he truly wants NYC.
- airjan23

I agree with you 100% Jan, and posted a reply a few minutes ago, (after reading each post in time order), to one who said in relation, it was like Zucc taking that discount to play here only. I added that McDonagh also took a team discount to stay here, especially due to the Rangers being back then just about maxed out salary cap wise. I also wrote like you did here, that Shatty not being willing to talk especially to the Lightning on a long term deal, after a trade was agreed upon for Drouin, especailly supported the case of him not having overall money as his #1 priority, due to that extra savings he would earn in Tampa, since there is no Florida state tax.

Anyone who thinks we're trading additional forwards for defense after trading Stepan already is high as hell
- rangerdanger94

I think they want you to be signed at forward as well.

I agree with you 100% Jan, and posted a reply a few minutes ago, (after reading each post in time order), to one who said in relation, it was like Zucc taking that discount to play here only. I added that McDonagh also took a team discount to stay here, especially due to the Rangers being back then just about maxed out salary cap wise. I also wrote like you did here, that Shatty not being willing to talk especially to the Lightning on a long term deal, after a trade was agreed upon for Drouin, especailly supported the case of him not having overall money as his #1 priority, due to that extra savings he would earn in Tampa, since there is no Florida state tax.
- RangerSaver

McD is playing on a much lower salary as well I forgot that

I agree with you 100% Jan, and posted a reply a few minutes ago, (after reading each post in time order), to one who said in relation, it was like Zucc taking that discount to play here only. I added that McDonagh also took a team discount to stay here, especially due to the Rangers being back then just about maxed out salary cap wise. I also wrote like you did here, that Shatty not being willing to talk especially to the Lightning on a long term deal, after a trade was agreed upon for Drouin, especailly supported the case of him not having overall money as his #1 priority, due to that extra savings he would earn in Tampa, since there is no Florida state tax.
- RangerSaver

I'm sure Jan is more than able to read this himself - no reason for you to repeat everything you write. SMH
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