Why was Girardi bought out?
Because he is immobile, cannot move the puck, no longer useful in a transition game.
But Shattenkirk would hurt this team bringing all these elements?
Especially for a defense that needs a shot in the arm?
- puckhead17

without shattenkrik in the fold this team is already getting a shot in the arm on D by buying out G, whatever happens with Klein, and inserting DeAngelo.

we dont need another long expensive deal for someone who will be out of his prime in 2 years.

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

hey just for the record i was a big fan of keeping grabs and want no part of Jumbo

without shattenkrik in the fold this team is already getting a shot in the arm on D by buying out G, whatever happens with Klein, and inserting DeAngelo.

we dont need another long expensive deal for someone who will be out of his prime in 2 years.
- mrn22

out of his prime in 2 years? ummm no, he's not 32 yet.
Next your saying Zucc is slow because he's a year to 30?
DeAngelo is still a project, mentally, and then some.

CapFriendly‏ @CapFriendly 24s25 seconds ago

Almost a $700,000/year swing between Dallas and Ottawa in terms of the taxes Methot will pay.

out of his prime in 2 years? ummm no, he's not 32 yet.
Next your saying Zucc is slow because he's a year to 30?
DeAngelo is still a project, mentally, and then some.
- puckhead17

2 years might be exaggerated.. but not by much.

you'll be paying him for his best years.. in St louis

2 years might be exaggerated.. but not by much.

you'll be paying him for his best years.. in St louis
- mrn22

ok, your opinion, but please name one FA contract that looked just as good the last 2 years as it did in the first?
Or even in comparison to the 3rd, and 4th year?
I agree with you if we are talking about a Suter, Parise bank robbery contract, then yeah! I'm not saying to throw 7 years, @ $7m per at him, no, but I'm all for bringing him in if it fits. you seem to think he has 2-3 year left, I say closer to 4-5. He's 28.

out of his prime in 2 years? ummm no, he's not 32 yet.
Next your saying Zucc is slow because he's a year to 30?
DeAngelo is still a project, mentally, and then some.
- puckhead17

Counting on deangelo as anything more then 3rd pair guy is risky so I agree. I did see something where he played fairly well last year tho, can't say I saw with my own eyes tho

On Shatty, people are spooked about Staal and Girardi contracts with him, feeling like it would be the same thing in a couple years. An anchor or something. He is completely different player, no where and tear and full eye sight luckily. He's just not a winner or diff personality then they already have. That's where I'm not a fan of his. His play would be a much needed addition, but I'm on the fence as to wanting him or not

I think Zibby is the 1C, he's healthy last year, and his production is right up there with Zuc, CK, JT, etc.
- puckhead17

I was trying to say that we need one center and one RHD, not necessarily a 1C. But Thornton is for sure an option, and he's not gonna be cheap...
And tbh, I'm not very comfortable with Zibby and Hayes as the top2 centers.

Sounds like you all feel that 20M in cap space can get us all we need...
Zibby ~5-5.5
Smith 4-4.25
Fast?
1C
1RHD
...can't do everything - 20M won't do it. And what about Kleiner?
- 21peter

there are no 1RHD available. I would not consider Shatty a 1RHD. he is a good 2nd pair RHD. he would be our 1RHD, but miscast there. I would rather Smith than Shatty at this point as at least i know Smith can play D well and brings a much needed physical element that we are losing due to G buyout.

Counting on deangelo as anything more then 3rd pair guy is risky so I agree. I did see something where he played fairly well last year tho, can't say I saw with my own eyes tho

On Shatty, people are spooked about Staal and Girardi contracts with him, feeling like it would be the same thing in a couple years. An anchor or something. He is completely different player, no where and tear and full eye sight luckily. He's just not a winner or diff personality then they already have. That's where I'm not a fan of his. His play would be a much needed addition, but I'm on the fence as to wanting him or not
- Slimtj100

Yeah, agree on most of your points, I think playing here helps his personality a lot, (home town, security, enough talent around him).
People comparing his signing to 2 much slower, defensive defenders doesn't make sense. He makes this team much better for the next 4 years at least.

there are no 1RHD available. I would not consider Shatty a 1RHD. he is a good 2nd pair RHD. he would be our 1RHD, but miscast there. I would rather Smith than Shatty at this point as at least i know Smith can play D well and brings a much needed physical element that we are losing due to G buyout.
- richardson30

I'd be more than happy with Shatty playing with either McDonagh or Skjei, I don't care what pairing number you wanna label it

there are no 1RHD available. I would not consider Shatty a 1RHD. he is a good 2nd pair RHD. he would be our 1RHD, but miscast there. I would rather Smith than Shatty at this point as at least i know Smith can play D well and brings a much needed physical element that we are losing due to G buyout.
- richardson30

Like I just said to Puckhead, I meant that we need one RHD - I know we're not getting one now when Step and Raanta are gone...

I was trying to say that we need one center and one RHD, not necessarily a 1C. But Thornton is for sure an option, and he's not gonna be cheap...
And tbh, I'm not very comfortable with Zibby and Hayes as the top2 centers.
- 21peter

My bad.

I'm ok with Zibby, and Hayes, 1-2, as long as they continue in their upward progression like they have. Thornton wants 3 years, any agreement to a 1yr pays him much more so no.

I'd be more than happy with Shatty playing with either McDonagh or Skjei, I don't care what pairing number you wanna label it
- jimbo83

I will say this, if they cant reach a deal with Smith before Saturday, the Rangers will go all out to get Shattenkirk

Yeah, agree on most of your points, I think playing here helps his personality a lot, (home town, security, enough talent around him).
People comparing his signing to 2 much slower, defensive defenders doesn't make sense. He makes this team much better for the next 4 years at least.
- puckhead17

To me, he sounds like Dan Boyle pre NYR years. The thing that scares me is he sounds like Dan Boyle 2.0. But he would be a good signing for the first few years we have him. Definitely makes this team better. And can be a good person for ADA to practice with.

ok, your opinion, but please name one FA contract that looked just as good the last 2 years as it did in the first?
Or even in comparison to the 3rd, and 4th year?
I agree with you if we are talking about a Suter, Parise bank robbery contract, then yeah! I'm not saying to throw 7 years, @ $7m per at him, no, but I'm all for bringing him in if it fits. you seem to think he has 2-3 year left, I say closer to 4-5. He's 28.
- puckhead17

honestly, I just dont think this team is gunna win a cup with Hank and its best shot is when Shestyorkin is here on a cheap deal (if they EVER pay a goalie that much again im gunna jump off a bridge)

now im not saying go full Tom and blow the (frank)er up but they need to care a little less about now and focus a little more on building something thats gunna last

thats not to say they couldnt get hot and go on another run to a final.

To me, he sounds like Dan Boyle pre NYR years. The thing that scares me is he sounds like Dan Boyle 2.0. But he would be a good signing for the first few years we have him. Definitely makes this team better. And can be a good person for ADA to practice with.
- Bean_Dip

He does have more miles on him after looking at your comparison, (than I thought), again how badly does he want to be here? It would have to be a good deal for both sides. Not saying I would go all out, but where he comes in at, and where we see it?

My bad.

I'm ok with Zibby, and Hayes, 1-2, as long as they continue in their upward progression like they have. Thornton wants 3 years, any agreement to a 1yr pays him much more so no.
- puckhead17

Not sure about Thornton, not even for 1 year. 7 goals and 50 points last season, maybe less next season. And has he got the legs to play 100 games with our fast team...?

honestly, I just dont think this team is gunna win a cup with Hank and its best shot is when Shestyorkin is here on a cheap deal (if they EVER pay a goalie that much again im gunna jump off a bridge)

now im not saying go full Tom and blow the (frank)er up but they need to care a little less about now and focus a little more on building something thats gunna last

thats not to say they couldnt get hot and go on another run to a final.
- mrn22

I'm warming up to all these points! I agree on Hank, (I don't want to start a fire), but his contract is looking bad in 2 more years. But outside of Hank, and the continuing Staal dilemma, they are in pretty good shape. I'm interested in seeing how much Shatt would take to be here, (and no I don't want 7 years). I think they still need to bring B. Smith back. But trading assets for a top 2 D man hurts this teams progression and I'd look to signing Shatt first

Rangers should have Nash talk Jumbo into a 1 year deal, they should also be looking into Hanzel and/or Grigerenko, most importantly they should be talking to Staal about a possible move, it would alleviate cap space, open up a blocking spot for someone like Day

I'm warming up to all these points! I agree on Hank, (I don't want to start a fire), but his contract is looking bad in 2 more years. But outside of Hank, and the continuing Staal dilemma, they are in pretty good shape. I'm interested in seeing how much Shatt would take to be here, (and no I don't want 7 years). I think they still need to bring B. Smith back. But trading assets for a top 2 D man hurts this teams progression and I'd look to signing Shatt first
- puckhead17

I'd be thrilled with 7 years $38 mil for Shatty and 5 years $25 for Zib

I will say this, if they cant reach a deal with Smith before Saturday, the Rangers will go all out to get Shattenkirk
- mdw7413

I think they end up with both.

Not sure about Thornton, not even for 1 year. 7 goals and 50 points last season, maybe less next season. And has he got the legs to play 100 games with our fast team...?
- 21peter

No, I'm not for it.
As a possible one year mentor to Hayes sounds intriguing, but I would pass.
I hope they aren't viewing it as when they signed Richards for 2 years, I think he had more in the tank at that time, as well as the quickness to keep up.

I'd be thrilled with 7 years $38 mil for Shatty and 5 years $25 for Zib
- KreiderBomb

Yeah, I like those numbers, I think Zib gets more though, actually I think the cap hits would be tough to get that low on both.

edit: something tells me if they were able to sign Zib for $5m a year it would have been done by now. But looking CK, Zucc, and McD's annual cap hits it doesn't seem out of the question.

honestly, I just dont think this team is gunna win a cup with Hank and its best shot is when Shestyorkin is here on a cheap deal (if they EVER pay a goalie that much again im gunna jump off a bridge)

now im not saying go full Tom and blow the (frank)er up but they need to care a little less about now and focus a little more on building something thats gunna last

thats not to say they couldnt get hot and go on another run to a final.
- mrn22

This is correct. Only problem - someone needs to tell management.

I dont want to blow it up, but i do want them to stop signing bad UFAs to massive deals. I would rather them make a BIG short term mistake, than a HUGE long term mistake IE - Shatty for anything longer than 4 years