So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.

Except for his speed. That's the only thing in question. And it's a serious thing to be in question. I think you play to your strengths and you figure out a way to make it work.
- Bean_Dip

The funny thing about Thornton is that people are making a big deal about his 30 point drop off. But, you know what he dropped off from? 82 points. And he did that when he was 247 years old.

All I am saying is this -- I don't want Joe Thornton for anything more than a year. But, in the unlikely event that he were willing to take a one year deal, I'll take 50-60 points as a stop gap to the following year.

I like the fact that the team is getting younger, but also wouldn't mind competing next year if it doesn't come at the expense of the longer term.

And the reason why some guys gel on certain teams, but cannot on others. a team with a dump & chase, physical grinding style would suit him definitely. Not so sure if how he would do in a speed transition style?
- puckhead17

i agree. he would struggle - unless you put speed on his line. Look at Hayes. Hayes is very similar to thorton. Hayes playing with Grabs took off. Thorton with the puck is elite. Without he is lacking. get some speed on that line and you have yourself a decent player.

how many times has this been said in the last 15 years. we gotta quit chasing this mythical creature!
- mrn22

Why was Girardi bought out?
Because he is immobile, cannot move the puck, no longer useful in a transition game.
But Shattenkirk would hurt this team bringing all these elements?
Especially for a defense that needs a shot in the arm?

The funny thing about Thornton is that people are making a big deal about his 30 point drop off. But, you know what he dropped off from? 82 points. And he did that when he was 247 years old.

All I am saying is this -- I don't want Joe Thornton for anything more than a year. But, in the unlikely event that he were willing to take a one year deal, I'll take 50-60 points as a stop gap to the following year.

I like the fact that the team is getting younger, but also wouldn't mind competing next year if it doesn't come at the expense of the longer term.
- Pete V

I completely agree. I would rather they go this route than force Anderson into the lineup before he is ready. I think a year in the AHL will do him a lot of good.

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

I always knew you were smart.

i agree. he would struggle - unless you put speed on his line. Look at Hayes. Hayes is very similar to thorton. Hayes playing with Grabs took off. Thorton with the puck is elite. Without he is lacking. get some speed on that line and you have yourself a decent player.
- richardson30

agree with everything you said! Very similar to Hayes, but Hayes is younger & that could make a big difference in this system. i could see Thornton playing here, and well in say, Tortorella's type of grinding system.

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

I love having team speed, but not everyone on the team needs to be the road runner.

He's smart, and he has elite puck skills and hockey IQ. He's been awesome for a very long time. Sure, at some point he's going to hit a wall and that could be next year. But, if my options were Hayes, Zibby, Jumbo and filler down the middle, versus Joe Blow as the third line center, I'll take Jumbo.

I'm not in favor of signing Thornton, but I am not going to poop my pants if they managed to get him here on a 1 year deal

very opposed to a 3 year deal

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

No one is slower than Step, not even old man Thornton

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

There's a big difference though. Losing Hags and not replacing him killed the identity of the team. Now we have the speed and are looking for guys to fill in. You can't JUST have speed. We saw what Ottawa did to that. You also need guys to distribute the puck. Something this team lost when Stepan was dealt.

I always knew you were smart.
- tomburton99

Now he's never gonna stop posting.

Why was Girardi bought out?
Because he is immobile, cannot move the puck, no longer useful in a transition game.
But Shattenkirk would hurt this team bringing all these elements?
Especially for a defense that needs a shot in the arm?
- puckhead17

Shatty is not what i would consider "Mobile". he is not slow, but is not fast. I would view him very similar to Yandle. He has a decent first pass and joins the rush, but lacking in his own zone and can not create offense on his own.

He is not in the same league as Subban, Karlson or those offensive Dmen.

So if I'm reading this right. Losing Hagelin was awful because of his speed and what it did for the team. If Grabs got picked by Vegas it would be awful for the team because of his speed.

New hot take, bringing in arguably one of the slowest guys in the league will be great.
- mdw7413

You aren't the first person to miss the point here

Stepan was slow as we've had drilled in our heads, who was playing with Nash for years with moderate to good success I'd say. He needs a playmaker. Not every player has to be fleet of foot of 18 skaters. No one is saying he's fast

The whole is thing is the term, one yr is stupid not to do.

Sounds like you all feel that 20M in cap space can get us all we need...
Zibby ~5-5.5
Smith 4-4.25
Fast?
1C
1RHD
...can't do everything - 20M won't do it. And what about Kleiner?

You aren't the first person to miss the point here

Stepan was slow as we've had drilled in our heads, who was playing with Nash for years with moderate to good success I'd say. He needs a playmaker. Not every player has to be fleet of foot of 18 skaters. No one is saying he's fast

The whole is thing is the term, one yr is stupid not to do.
- Slimtj100

Just another thing. At worst, Thornton would help the power play a great deal.

Now he's never gonna stop posting.
- JRR1285

Its Safe to say, tom could find negatives in kate upton riding his Johnson haha

we don't need more men believing in him

I always knew you were smart.
- tomburton99

Thats extremely debatable.

Just another thing. At worst, Thornton would help the power play a great deal.
- Pete V

Pros far outweigh the cons for sure

Everyone agrees one yr only, which would be the rub because he probably ain't taking that

Now he's never gonna stop posting.
- JRR1285

Da (frank) JR. I thought we were on the same page?

Pros far outweigh the cons for sure

Everyone agrees one yr only, which would be the rub because he probably ain't taking that
- Slimtj100

Gorts is gonna sit him down at Applebees and open the vault. 3x6.75 full NTC.

Shatty is not what i would consider "Mobile". he is not slow, but is not fast. I would view him very similar to Yandle. He has a decent first pass and joins the rush, but lacking in his own zone and can not create offense on his own.

He is not in the same league as Subban, Karlson or those offensive Dmen.
- richardson30

I agree he's not one of these guys, but these are few & far between, plus I'm not looking for him to get $7-10m a year. I'm hoping for $6ish mill a year. I don't know if that's possible, (probably not), but it depends on how badly he wants to be here.
Yandle is a descent comparison, but I think he's better than Yandle, quicker, would produce more.

Da (frank) JR. I thought we were on the same page?
- mdw7413

It's all in good fun.

Sounds like you all feel that 20M in cap space can get us all we need...
Zibby ~5-5.5
Smith 4-4.25
Fast?
1C
1RHD
...can't do everything - 20M won't do it. And what about Kleiner?
- 21peter

I think Zibby is the 1C, he's healthy last year, and his production is right up there with Zuc, CK, JT, etc.

Gorts is gonna sit him down at Applebees and open the vault. 3x6.75 full NTC.
- JRR1285