YOU...are my new best friend.
- jcfogerty

Funny how much of the false debate around Alfredsson just happens to be led by a handful of obnoxious Leaf fans. Then again, this is precisely how you become a proud member of one of the most widely-despised fan bases in North American sports.

Alfredsson vs. Kariya is a near-perfect example of subjective bias. Some people crap on Alfredsson for not having a Stanley Cup, yet for some reason that doesn't seem to matter when it comes to Kariya. Nor do they seem to remember that Alfredsson had more goals than Kariya had points in their respective Cup Final playoff runs, and finished his career with more than twice as many career playoff points. Plus Alfredsson had more career points, more career goals, and was Ottawa's captain for 13 seasons - in spite of starting his NHL career nearly 3 years later than Kariya.

I have nothing against Kariya, but this is 100% a matter of the NHL wanting to induct him alongside Selanne... which is about as unscientific a rationale as you could possible hope to describe. Oh, but apparently they were also "special" together (as per TSN), so I guess that explains everything.

The Norris is regularly awarded to someone 'controversial'.
Perhaps due to the nature of the award being for Defenseman but awarded for offensive output. Subban being one who likely didn't deserve to win it (and I was a huge PK fan).
- mlindsay

you don't think so?

it was a shortened season. ibwould expect some oddball stuff to happen.

Funny how much of the false debate around Alfredsson just happens to be led by a handful of obnoxious Leaf fans. Then again, this is precisely how you become a proud member of one of the most widely-despised fan bases in North American sports.

Alfredsson vs. Kariya is a near-perfect example of subjective bias. Some people crap on Alfredsson for not having a Stanley Cup, yet for some reason that doesn't seem to matter when it comes to Kariya. Nor do they seem to remember that Alfredsson had more goals than Kariya had points in their respective Cup Final playoff runs, and finished his career with more than twice as many career playoff points. Plus Alfredsson had more career points, more career goals, and was Ottawa's captain for 13 seasons - in spite of starting his NHL career nearly 3 years later than Kariya.

I have nothing against Kariya, but this is 100% a matter of the NHL wanting to induct him alongside Selanne... which is about as unscientific a rationale as you could possible hope to describe.
- khawk

I don't think I've seen anyone argue kariya is a great selection for the HOF. but again, at his peak he was a better player. it sucks that his career got cut short by concussion.

you don't think so?

it was a shortened season. ibwould expect some oddball stuff to happen.
- prock

That year I think Suter actually deserved the trophy more.
Think it was a few years ago that Giordano deserved a good look as well and lost.

3rd? not even close.

lidstrom
Forsberg
sundin
salming
mats naslund


here is a good article.

http://bleacherreport.com...ockey-players-of-all-time
- prock

Mats Naslund was 8th on the Bleacher Report article, so I'm guessing you didn't read it except to see they put Alfie 6th.

And Salming? Are you kidding me? Guy was basically a 4th forward, lots of points but no defence. Basically a Karlsson-lite, who probably wouldn't crack 40 pts in today's NHL.

Take off the blue-and-white glasses.

That year I think Suter actually deserved the trophy more.
Think it was a few years ago that Giordano deserved a good look as well and lost.
- mlindsay

the year girodano deserved it he probably would have won it but he got injured with 20 games left.

Mats Naslund was 8th on the Bleacher Report article, so I'm guessing you didn't read it except to see they put Alfie 6th.

And Salming? Are you kidding me? Guy was basically a 4th forward, lots of points but no defence. Basically a Karlsson-lite, who probably wouldn't crack 40 pts in today's NHL.

Take off the blue-and-white glasses.
- Mr_Clean

I didn't read it.

walking was absolutely not weak defensively.

Methot dealt to Dallas

Methot dealt to Dallas
- JACMAN

They got a 2020 2nd and some m'eh goalie prospect.......and to think they were asking ottawa for a 2018 1st and prospect to leave meth alone (and we would have lost claessen too).

This basically shows that meth is not a legit top pairing D.....and those of us who Weren't that upset when he got picked

He has lots of hardware.....2 nhl awards, including the Calder, and an Olympic gold. He's also about 5 pts outside of the top 50 all time for points, I'd say those are outstanding numbers.
- sensarmy_11

Drops mic....

there is the turds fans inferiority complex. Had to bring up Sundin, didn't you.

Sundin >>> Alfredsson. Only deluded turds fans think otherwise. Swedish fans will tell you that for sure.

Sundin cracked the top 30 in career scoring. Only one player has more points than him, and is not inducted. That's Recchi. Alfredsson didn't even crack the top 50. And there are 7 or 8 players with more career points than him, not inducted.

But I think the standards should be higher, and Sundin should be borderline. maybe even out. Alfredsson IMO is an easy out. 20 years from now, when you talk of the league greats, Sundin will be an afterthought, and Alfredsson won't even be remembered outside ottawa.

But you know, there is definitely worse that is already in. Dino Cicerelli is in, isn't he? What a joke.
- prock

Geez, just go away, nobody likes you—anywhere ...! And hey, enjoy those Vegas golden showers of yours, or wait, is it the Predators, or maybe its the laffs...

They got a 2020 2nd and some m'eh goalie prospect.......and to think they were asking ottawa for a 2018 1st and prospect to leave meth alone (and we would have lost claessen too).
This basically shows that meth is not a legit top pairing D.....and those of us who Weren't that upset when he got picked
- sensarmy_11

It certainly does illustrate how much Vegas was trying to hold Dorion over the barrel... a distant 2nd round pick is hardly a premium asset, and Vegas clearly had little interest in Methot ever playing a game for the team. But this is how the business side operates when it's known that one side is negotiating from a disadvantage.

Personally, I wouldn't discount the possibility of another trade being in the works, possibly directly involving Phaneuf and Methot. For instance, would a deal be feasible with Dallas if Ottawa took back the final year of Lehtonen's contract for $5.0M with a $5.9M cap hit (as opposed to the Niemi buyout)? On the surface, Phaneuf looks more like the kind of defenceman that Dallas is lacking than Methot, given that nobody on their blueline other than Klingberg had more than 18pts, 99 shots of goal, or any kind of significant PP time. Then again, given that Klingberg is also a RHD, maybe they believe Methot will be able to play a similar supporting role to the one he played alongside Karlsson.

Regardless, i was very glad to see Pyatt re-signed to a very reasonable 2yr/$2.2M contract... that just seemed like a deal that really needed to get done.

Mats Naslund was 8th on the Bleacher Report article, so I'm guessing you didn't read it except to see they put Alfie 6th.

And Salming? Are you kidding me? Guy was basically a 4th forward, lots of points but no defence. Basically a Karlsson-lite, who probably wouldn't crack 40 pts in today's NHL.

Take off the blue-and-white glasses.
- Mr_Clean

Good lord how old are you

Good lord how old are you
- MR.Hunter

That's a weird rebuttal ....!

Kariya over alfi and zubov is laughable
- sensarmy_11

They'll let anyone into HOF now.

...oh no wait.

Completely off topic but what would everyone think about giving a like like Yakupov a chance. He is now a free agent, we would get him for next to nothing and the guy still has untapped talent.

I think he could thrive in a market with a young team like Ottawa, and if not it barely costs us anything

Completely off topic but what would everyone think about giving a like like Yakupov a chance. He is now a free agent, we would get him for next to nothing and the guy still has untapped talent.

I think he could thrive in a market with a young team like Ottawa, and if not it barely costs us anything
- Maverick1818

doubt the Sens try a Russian reclamation project...been there, done that!

Completely off topic but what would everyone think about giving a like like Yakupov a chance. He is now a free agent, we would get him for next to nothing and the guy still has untapped talent.

I think he could thrive in a market with a young team like Ottawa, and if not it barely costs us anything
- Maverick1818

You mean like he thrived in a market with a young team like Edmonton?

Pass.....unless he's signing a 2way deal, which I doubt he will

You mean like he thrived in a market with a young team like Edmonton?

Pass.....unless he's signing a 2way deal, which I doubt he will
- sensarmy_11

Just an idea, they were talking about it on the team 1200 today about how everyone see's this big game in him but because of how he's been treated in Edmonton and SL he has no confidence.

My thought on it is that he is still young, super cheap, ton of potential.

Could be a home run and if not then no big loss

Just an idea, they were talking about it on the team 1200 today about how everyone see's this big game in him but because of how he's been treated in Edmonton and SL he has no confidence.
- Maverick1818

I would normally be wary of taking on the potential distraction of a high-risk/high-reward project player, but in the case of Yakupov he may be worth the risk. There's no question that he has elite-level speed and high-end goal scoring talent, and the prospect cupboard is relatively bare in terms of quality scoring wingers. Not to mention that offering second chances to players who have found themselves in bad situations is basically how 1/3 of the current team was assembled (i.e. Turris, Anderson, Ryan, Phaneuf, MacArthur, Condon, and Pyatt).

Also, it's not like the expectations would be sky-high... in fact, his average production in Edmonton would have put him right up there with Pageau, Smith, Ryan, and Dzingel last year. Factor in that he's not the kind of defensive liability that some offensive-minded forwards can be, and the potential jump in production if he found any kind of chemistry with Brassard/Turris, or was able to secure a regular 2nd unit PP role, and I would certainly be kicking the tires and doing some interviews to see if it might be a good fit.