Yanni Gourde signed to 2 year deal. Joe Smith thinks its for $1M / season. SY cleaning up his desk

Its not points its goals and PRIMARY assists. Dont know if that is what makes the difference here but its important to remember that the chart doesnt value secondary assists.
- headyhedman77

Also it is 5v5 G60 and P160

Per puckalytics Johnson is 0.87 G60 and 0.78 P160 over the last 3 years

For context:

Duchene is 0.89 G60 and 0.61 P160

Benn is 0.86 G60 and 0.79 P160

Tavares is 0.95 G60 and 0.80 P160

Methot would be a nice second pairing with Dotchin
- DutchSenators

Methot sucks

its 2015-2017 not just last season
- headyhedman77

It includes the last 3 seasons as all of the hero charts have.

Yanni Gourde signed to 2 year deal. Joe Smith thinks its for $1M / season. SY cleaning up his desk
- Leafsandbolts

2yr $1m per via lighting official twitter account.

Methot sucks
- Feds91Stammer

He's overrated, that's for sure. But he doesn't suck.

Yanni Gourde signed to 2 year deal. Joe Smith thinks its for $1M / season. SY cleaning up his desk
- Leafsandbolts

Excellent

He's overrated, that's for sure. But he doesn't suck.
- DutchSenators

Again. He sucks.

Also it is 5v5 G60 and P160

Per puckalytics Johnson is 0.87 G60 and 0.78 P160 over the last 3 years

For context:

Duchene is 0.89 G60 and 0.61 P160

Benn is 0.86 G60 and 0.79 P160

Tavares is 0.95 G60 and 0.80 P160
- Feds91Stammer

Right and based on those numbers Johnson looks close but would any real hockey mind say Johnson is equal to, or even close to, those guys?

Right and based on those numbers Johnson looks close but would any real hockey mind say Johnson is equal to, or even close to, those guys?
- Kucherovski

What is a real hockey mind?

The data is to show context. Nobody is saying Johnson is a Crosby, McDavid, or Tavares but the production tells you he is an above average 2C.

Again. He sucks.


- Feds91Stammer

you're extremely good in posting graphs

Again. He sucks.


- Feds91Stammer

he sucks and is expensive... Everyone needs to keep in mind that his stats are that bad while playing with Karlsson every shift. how do you play with the rightful Norris trophy winner (Lets be real he got screwed) and still have worst stats then a 3rd pairing Dman?

What is a real hockey mind?

The data is to show context. Nobody is saying Johnson is a Crosby, McDavid, or Tavares but the production tells you he is an above average 2C.
- Feds91Stammer

You can find the right statistic to show anyone is above average at something. Narrow things down enough and you can paint any picture with numbers.

he sucks and is expensive... Everyone needs to keep in mind that his stats are that bad while playing with Karlsson every shift. how do you play with the rightful Norris trophy winner (Lets be real he got screwed) and still have worst stats then a 3rd pairing Dman?
- headyhedman77

I'm not big on Methot but Karlsson isn't some amazing defender. Guy puts up points which means he jumps up and gets into plays but his shot suppressed per hour is equal to a 3rd pairing D. Compare that to Hedman, Hedman is a far better, overall, defender than Karlsson.

You can find the right statistic to show anyone is above average at something. Narrow things down enough and you can paint any picture with numbers.
- Kucherovski

Looking at basic stats for TJ over the past 3 seasons he is 31st in points, 31st in assists, and 28th in goals in centerman. That is not narrow that is the most common stats that people look at when judging a forwards production at a glance. another interesting stat is that his plus minus is +32 over those 3 season and ranks him at 13th in the NHL centerman category. His PPG are .73 ranking him at 34th. And to further prove this point, this doesnt even include the Post season games in the 2 seasons where Johnson shined. This isnt manipulating numbers to paint a misleading picture. That looks like a clear cut above average 2C...

Looking at basic stats for TJ over the past 3 seasons he is 31st in points, 31st in assists, and 28th in goals in centerman. That is not narrow that is the most common stats that people look at when judging a forwards production at a glance. another interesting stat is that his plus minus is +32 over those 3 season and ranks him at 13th in the NHL centerman category. His PPG are .73 ranking him at 34th. And to further prove this point, this doesnt even include the Post season games in the 2 seasons where Johnson shined. This isnt manipulating numbers to paint a misleading picture. That looks like a clear cut above average 2C...
- headyhedman77

I can't take that ONE good year away but that is a statistical anomaly. Yes it happened but in the other years he is no where near that. Take that one year our and he is a career .6 point per game which is a big drop from .73. If he gets paid based on having that one good year in his numbers that's a bad move. If you categorize him as an above average 2C based on his averages, including that ONE season, I think that is the wrong way to do it. His plus minus as you pointed out is because of that ONE season. He had a good year, one good year does not make the player.

You can find the right statistic to show anyone is above average at something. Narrow things down enough and you can paint any picture with numbers.
- Kucherovski

What is a real hockey mind though? I'm genuinely curious.

Looking at basic stats for TJ over the past 3 seasons he is 31st in points, 31st in assists, and 28th in goals in centerman. That is not narrow that is the most common stats that people look at when judging a forwards production at a glance. another interesting stat is that his plus minus is +32 over those 3 season and ranks him at 13th in the NHL centerman category. His PPG are .73 ranking him at 34th. And to further prove this point, this doesnt even include the Post season games in the 2 seasons where Johnson shined. This isnt manipulating numbers to paint a misleading picture. That looks like a clear cut above average 2C...
- headyhedman77

I'm not big on Methot but Karlsson isn't some amazing defender. Guy puts up points which means he jumps up and gets into plays but his shot suppressed per hour is equal to a 3rd pairing D. Compare that to Hedman, Hedman is a far better, overall, defender than Karlsson.
- Kucherovski

Karlsson is the best D in the league and Hedman is a very close 2nd. Karlsson should already have 3 or 4 Norris trophies.

I can't take that ONE good year away but that is a statistical anomaly. Yes it happened but in the other years he is no where near that. Take that one year our and he is a career .6 point per game which is a big drop from .73. If he gets paid based on having that one good year in his numbers that's a bad move. If you categorize him as an above average 2C based on his averages, including that ONE season, I think that is the wrong way to do it. His plus minus as you pointed out is because of that ONE season. He had a good year, one good year does not make the player.
- Kucherovski

I understand your point but you cant say that the stats dont make sense for the hero charts... they make perfect sense as i just showed you. I dont disagree that the one season inflated his stats extensively however he still accomplished every one of those goals/assits/+ ratings so they should be counted towards his worth a player. I dont think he deserves a king ransom but to say 4 mill is your ceiling for him is idiotic to put it lightly.

Yes, I need to pray harder....or find a different deity. No fair and decent deity would have us re-sign Sustr. At least it's only one year - show up or pack up. I still think he is a waste of money. We could put a mannequin on skates and park it in the slot, and that would be a better option than Sustr.

Good we signed Gourde. I think that kid provides some spark and jump - we need that. And it seems like his hands are not made of stone like Brown's. Good cheap contract. One million spent on Gourde is better than Sustr, Conacher, Condra, or some others.

BTW, Hockey News recently posted an article about Volkov. It's a translated interview from a Russian outlet. It still doesn't provide much hard data, but you get a feel for the kid's personality a bit. He seems intent on coming over for camp and making the team.

You have the advantage of watching Sustr live with your season tickets vs my game packs but he is a fine candidate for #7 dman. He still is a RFA and if he goes to arbitration and wins then you can set him free. Better to bundle in a trade but the past couple of weeks has not been about players of Sustr's ilk.

Is one of your other avatar's on a competitor site, Extragalactic?
- Leafsandbolts

I don't think it's me. This is the only hockey site I post on. I've posted a handful of times sporadically over the years on other hockey sites, but not in a long time. I forgot about the others when I found Hockeybuzz.

I can't take that ONE good year away but that is a statistical anomaly. Yes it happened but in the other years he is no where near that. Take that one year our and he is a career .6 point per game which is a big drop from .73. If he gets paid based on having that one good year in his numbers that's a bad move. If you categorize him as an above average 2C based on his averages, including that ONE season, I think that is the wrong way to do it. His plus minus as you pointed out is because of that ONE season. He had a good year, one good year does not make the player.
- Kucherovski

Talk about manipulating numbers to prove a point. Calling TJ's "one good year" a "statistical anomaly" is fairly inaccurate. We aren't talking about a guy that averages 30 points a year, then explodes to 72 points. As illustrated by the heros chart he is an above average second line center. Plus when you talk about contract stuff, it's usually based on future performance and not past performance. His injury history is fairly concerning, but his numbers indicate he is an above average second line center. I would have preferred Drouin over Johnson as I feel like his future performance is greater than that of Johnson's. That also explains why Drouin's contract extension with Montreal is what it is. If they were basing it on past performance, there is no way his salary is greater than Kucherovs.

Karlsson is the best D in the league and Hedman is a very close 2nd. Karlsson should already have 3 or 4 Norris trophies.
- Feds91Stammer

I disagree. Karlsson may be the most gifted offensive defenseman in the league but he is not the best overall defenseman in the league.

About the hockey minds. GM's, scouts, coaches anyone who makes a very good living in the hockey world would say, to a man, Johnson is an average AT BEST 2C. That is just my opinion of course as I make zero money in the sport.

Talk about manipulating numbers to prove a point. Calling TJ's "one good year" a "statistical anomaly" is fairly inaccurate. We aren't talking about a guy that averages 30 points a year, then explodes to 72 points. As illustrated by the heros chart he is an above average second line center. Plus when you talk about contract stuff, it's usually based on future performance and not past performance. His injury history is fairly concerning, but his numbers indicate he is an above average second line center. I would have preferred Drouin over Johnson as I feel like his future performance is greater than that of Johnson's. That also explains why Drouin's contract extension with Montreal is what it is. If they were basing it on past performance, there is no way his salary is greater than Kucherovs.
- Let.It.Roll

I didn't manipulate anything, a lot of data analytics remove the outlier to come up with better answers. Johnson, on a point per game basis YOY. 0.61 points, 0.94 points, 0.55 points, 0.68 points. Now based on his actual numbers is he more likely to be a 0.72 point per game guy or a 0.6 point per game guy? The Hero chart and his averages take that outlier into consideration. Can not take that season away from him but it's a very common thing to do in data analytics to identify an outlier and remove it to see what happens.

Drouin....bad contract for Montreal so that is why it is what it is.