from a right here right now stand point don't like this Schenn trade, will have to see if all the what if's work out. Seems that Hexy & Hak were never really sold on Schenn. He had his most success on the PP because he played the same role on ES he was moved all over never able to get comfortable. I know he is a professional so deal with it, but hard to get chemistry when they move you from position to position and up and down line up. Also I liked he played with a bit of an edge, not enough of that in this team.

Yes this gives younger players a chance, but it's not like Schenn is an old guy here. Hopefully this opens it up for several younger guys to fill in the team.

With all of this being said I agree with what Bill said if they were going to move any of the core Schenn was most likely. I think Hexy wanted more from him and maybe there was something going all the way back to the LA days that he just didn't think he was living up to his potential.

Winner winner chicken dinner......let's let the scouts do their job....they have really made some decent picks lately. Guys knock players they have never seen, just because "some guy" says its so.
- landros 2

At this point hexy has earned my trust in the draft and unloading bad contracts. Jurry is out everywhere else.

I also think hextall is playing an asset management game and winning at it. I think some people cause they don't see the blatant tanking like the Sixers did expect us to only be constructing cup winning teams and making trades for all stars. Instead of taking a bad contract while we have flexibility to get an extra first rounder.

I agree the flyers are not in a win now situation. So the trade makes sense.What doesnt make sense is keeping both voracek and giroux.They need to cash in and get another 1st round pick plus.Lets do this properly enough of the half ass bullpoop.

Yeah it's a confusing mess. Definitions get changed all the time. Like what is a generational player now? Crosby, McDavid...no question. Matthews...really? I guess Stamkos, Tavares and Ovechkin are generational players as well. So generational players come every 2-3 years now, which logically means they should be called "Seasonal players".
- Glak18

Trying to figure out what Patrick will ultimately become. If it's a bonafide first line center, but not "generational"... I'll be pretty ok with that.

Schenn used to be polarizing for me, but I have, and will, give that dude credit. He mostly eliminated those horrific stretches where he did absolutely nothing and instead had two very effective seasons under Hakstol -- hell, the season before last, it could be argued that he was their best forward when they made that late run for the playoffs.

He wasn't perfect -- whoever said that he wasn't great in any particular area was correct.

But I just can't rip him for his ES production. I'd be a total hypocrite, because basically, the only forwards who do anything at ES are Voracek and Couturier. Everybody else either doesn't get the job done or they post pretty possession numbers but don't actually help put the biscuit in the basket, which is kinda the whole point.

I always say this about guys who get knocked for only scoring on the power play: Well, how consistent is he at doing it? When the guy is out there, can you count on him to get it done?

I understand that some might feel that Schenn could easily be replaced on the PP, and more likely than not, they're going to overhaul the units.

But I didn't need to speculate on what Schenn brought to the PP. The dude scored on it consistently, and because he did, he helped the Flyers win as many games as anybody else the last two seasons.

I never thought I'd say this, a few years ago. But I have no real issues with Schenn's game today -- he's not perfect, but neither is anybody else on the roster. They're gonna need to make sure those 50-60 points are there, and in big moments.

I hope it's as easy as I just typed, but somehow, I have this sneaky suspicion that it's not gonna be quite that simple

Trying to figure out what Patrick will ultimately become. If it's a bonafide first line center, but not "generational"... I'll be pretty ok with that.
- eayost

If the comparison to Eric staal is true he was a franchise center for 10 years and won a cup. Was a consistent 30 goal scorer for most his career and even now at his decline is a 2nd line center chipping in 50 points a season

Yeah it's a confusing mess. Definitions get changed all the time. Like what is a generational player now? Crosby, McDavid...no question. Matthews...really? I guess Stamkos, Tavares and Ovechkin are generational players as well. So generational players come every 2-3 years now, which logically means they should be called "Seasonal players".
- Glak18

Generational is super tough these days because of how many more guys play, how much better the top guys play etc.
or is the talent more diluted now that border line generational players stand out more because its "easier".
OTH, it probably isn't that mush different. We had forsburg, lindross, jagr, lidstrom, etc all at the same time.

Patrick can become a franchise guy the way G was viewed as a franchise guy

from a right here right now stand point don't like this Schenn trade, will have to see if all the what if's work out. Seems that Hexy & Hak were never really sold on Schenn. He had his most success on the PP because he played the same role on ES he was moved all over never able to get comfortable. I know he is a professional so deal with it, but hard to get chemistry when they move you from position to position and up and down line up.

Yes this gives younger players a chance, but it's not like Schenn is an old guy here. Hopefully this opens it up for several younger guys to fill in the team.

With all of this being said I agree with what Bill said if they were going to move any of the core Schenn was most likely. I think Hexy wanted more from him and maybe there was something going all the way back to the LA days.
- LJF

I absolutely loved the Schenn trade, although I am bias since I have never liked him since his junior years. My dislike for him continued as a Flyers with what I feel are character flaws (the perception of lackadaisical effort, being hung over at Flyer carnivals-not hearsay, I saw it myself as they shoved water down his throat to get him ready to meet people).

Player-wise, I consider him a decent roleplayer/complementary-player. More of an enhanced grinder, but replaceable. The Flyers receive a player that could fill the void left by Bellemare (I know an expensive one) AND 2 1st round picks.

This time next year or the year after everyone will be excited for the fact the Flyers have 2 1st rounders to choose players, move up or even use for the trade deadline.

Trying to figure out what Patrick will ultimately become. If it's a bonafide first line center, but not "generational"... I'll be pretty ok with that.
- eayost

Ceiling: average 1C, Floor: high-end 2C (barring injuries).

His high floor and complete game are what made him stick out. Guy can do everything well, but maybe doesn't have that je ne sais quoi.

Trying to figure out what Patrick will ultimately become. If it's a bonafide first line center, but not "generational"... I'll be pretty ok with that.
- eayost

the nice thing will be that as G declines, patrick and G can just switch spots.
If Lindblom can actually play, they may be OK on the forwards. Just have to hope the D progresses more quickly than anticipated.

If the comparison to Eric staal is true he was a franchise center for 10 years and won a cup. Was a consistent 30 goal scorer for most his career and even now at his decline is a 2nd line center chipping in 50 points a season
- Tfaehner

One of the sneakiest stories from last season is how good Staal was in Minnesota -- dude had 65 points and looked like a beast for a lot of nights

Not sure if he has that left in him again, but the reports of his death were greatly exaggerated last season and I would be thrilled if Patrick's production is anything like what Staal did last year

I absolutely loved the Schenn trade, although I am bias since I have never liked him since his junior years. My dislike for him continued as a Flyers with what I feel are character flaws (the perception of lackadaisical effort, being hung over at Flyer carnivals-not hearsay, I saw it myself as they shoved water down his throat to get him ready to meet people).

Player-wise, I consider him a decent roleplayer/complementary-player. More of an enhanced grinder, but replaceable. The Flyers receive a player that could fill the void left by Bellemare (I know an expensive one) AND 2 1st round picks.

This time next year or the year after everyone will be excited for the fact the Flyers have 2 1st rounders to choose players, move up or even use for the trade deadline.
- Glak18

Time will tell about the picks, but I think this coming season the goals from the role/complementary player will be missed.

Generational is super tough these days because of how many more guys play, how much better the top guys play etc.
or is the talent more diluted now that border line generational players stand out more because its "easier".
OTH, it probably isn't that mush different. We had forsburg, lindross, jagr, lidstrom, etc all at the same time.

Patrick can become a franchise guy the way G was viewed as a franchise guy
- nails

Generational for me, I use the standard, is a player who ultimately leaps and bounds above other players their age, but is so talented can step right into the NHL being of the best players, if not the best.

Lemiuex, Lindros, Crosby, McDavid...not many other players I can think of are considered generational.

Jagr is a good example. Generational players are not tagged for what they accomplish after their careers, it is used for when they are drafted. So Jagr, Forsberg, etc not even close to being generational even though they both have had some HOF careers.

Time will tell about the picks, but I think this coming season the goals from the role/complementary player will be missed.
- LJF

Let's just put it this way: St. Louis gave up two first-rounders. Not sure anybody thinks Doug Armstrong is such an idiot that he did that because just anybody off the street could do what Schenn has done

We shall see, for sure

I absolutely loved the Schenn trade, although I am bias since I have never liked him since his junior years. My dislike for him continued as a Flyers with what I feel are character flaws (the perception of lackadaisical effort, being hung over at Flyer carnivals-not hearsay, I saw it myself as they shoved water down his throat to get him ready to meet people).

Player-wise, I consider him a decent roleplayer/complementary-player. More of an enhanced grinder, but replaceable. The Flyers receive a player that could fill the void left by Bellemare (I know an expensive one) AND 2 1st round picks.

This time next year or the year after everyone will be excited for the fact the Flyers have 2 1st rounders to choose players, move up or even use for the trade deadline.
- Glak18

I don't think anyone would have predicted Schenn would land two 1st rounders. They do need to replace those goals . Giroux and Jake simply must be better, and hopefully the infusion of young talent will push them. I also wouldn't be against a possible other "big deal". Hextall has put his stamp on this team via the draft and maybe he continues to do that via trade. A goalie is a must

Generational for me, I use the standard, is a player who ultimately leaps and bounds above other players their age, but is so talented can step right into the NHL being of the best players, if not the best.

Lemiuex, Lindros, Crosby, McDavid...not many other players I can think of are considered generational.

Jagr is a good example. Generational players are not tagged for what they accomplish after their careers, it is used for when they are drafted. So Jagr, Forsberg, etc not even close to being generational even though they both have had some HOF careers.
- Glak18

at first I disagreed with this.
but then I thought about it as step in as an 18/19 year old and be a top 10 ish player.
and that does make a lot of sense.

And that creates an easier to think about delineation between franchise and gemerational

Time will tell about the picks, but I think this coming season the goals from the role/complementary player will be missed.
- LJF

Yeah true, but the same was said about Hartnell and every single other player traded. Someone will easily make up the 25 goals Schenn scored.

13-14 (236 Goals For)
14-15 (215 Goals For)
15-16 (214 Goals For)
16-17 (219 Goals For)

So if the Flyers score 220+ goals, does that make up for Schenn? What if the Flyers give up less goals? People worry too much about simplified statistics, what matters is do the Flyers win and play better.

Let's just put it this way: St. Louis gave up two first-rounders. Not sure anybody thinks Doug Armstrong is such an idiot that he did that because just anybody off the street could do what Schenn has done

We shall see, for sure
- AllInForFlyers

I wouldn't be surprised if schenn posts career points next year just because the top to bottom talent is so much better and the pressure to perform isn't as high.

G, Patrick, Flip, Vech, Coots, Letehera

Still pretty crowded down the middle... Something else has to happen. No?

Yeah true, but the same was said about Hartnell and every single other player traded. Someone will easily make up the 25 goals Schenn scored.

13-14 (236 Goals For)
14-15 (215 Goals For)
15-16 (214 Goals For)
16-17 (219 Goals For)

So if the Flyers score 220+ goals, does that make up for Schenn? What if the Flyers give up less goals? People worry too much about simplified statistics, what matters is do the Flyers win and play better.
- Glak18

I'm betting they score 220 again. but more because the replacements for cousins/PEB/VDV score more, not because patrick or lindblom score more than schenn

G, Patrick, Flip, Vech, Coots, Letehera

Still pretty crowded down the middle... Something else has to happen. No?
- nonpoint22

that was my expectation.
IF patrick and lindblom are really good enough to make the roster, then they have 3 extra forwards right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if schenn posts career points next year just because the top to bottom talent is so much better and the pressure to perform isn't as high.
- nails

If they put him as Freakorenko's center, with Jaden Schwartz as the other wing...LOL

See, that's what they're probably gonna do, and man, get ready for the howling because those numbers could be something to behold -- Schwartz and Freakorenko carry the puck a lot into the offensive zone, so Schenn's weakness in that area is minimized

But his ability to find little seams in the offense, pop in quick little rebounds and make quick little offensive plays...I could see Schenn putting up 70 points next year

Not even joking

Yeah true, but the same was said about Hartnell and every single other player traded. Someone will easily make up the 25 goals Schenn scored.

13-14 (236 Goals For)
14-15 (215 Goals For)
15-16 (214 Goals For)
16-17 (219 Goals For)

So if the Flyers score 220+ goals, does that make up for Schenn? What if the Flyers give up less goals? People worry too much about simplified statistics, what matters is do the Flyers win and play better.
- Glak18

If they put him as Freakorenko's center, with Jaden Schwartz as the other wing...LOL

See, that's what they're probably gonna do, and man, get ready for the howling because those numbers could be something to behold -- Schwartz and Freakorenko carry the puck a lot into the offensive zone, so Schenn's weakness in that area is minimized

But his ability to find little seams in the offense, pop in quick little rebounds and make quick little offensive plays...I could see Schenn putting up 70 points next year

Not even joking
- AllInForFlyers

I would not be surprised by that.

Yeah true, but the same was said about Hartnell and every single other player traded. Someone will easily make up the 25 goals Schenn scored.

13-14 (236 Goals For)
14-15 (215 Goals For)
15-16 (214 Goals For)
16-17 (219 Goals For)

So if the Flyers score 220+ goals, does that make up for Schenn? What if the Flyers give up less goals? People worry too much about simplified statistics, what matters is do the Flyers win and play better.
- Glak18

I'm all for making the team better. Again from a right here, right now stand point I don't like this trade. Hopefully all goes as planned and the team improves. But when only planning for the future well the future never comes.

You're biased about Schenn and so am I, I'm on the other side though as I am a fan. Again if this works out and the improves the team awesome. I also see the logic in asset management, but I don't see any of the current players that this opens up time on the team replacing Schenn.

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