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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 25 @ 4:51 AM ET
No poop. The point was we aren't taking a step back. We are a better team with Schenn next year than without. But we will likely be a better team than last year without Schenn still.
- Mononoke



No possibility of rookie struggles? They couldn't possibly be better with the new talent and Schenn then they would be without Schenn?. It is likely a step back in trading Schenn.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 7:16 AM ET
If we drafted only terrible picks you'd still say this, ob. Can't fool us.
- Mononoke

Why did Hague fall? I liked him
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 7:50 AM ET
Wake me up when we get a goalie.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 25 @ 7:54 AM ET
Mason Jr., Thomas LW – Canteberry HS (CT) 6'1" 181
RANKING: NR

Mason is a reliable hockey player in the sense that he is reliably mediocre. You always know he will give minimal effort, produce nothing, and sometimes fall asleep on the bench, or even during play. Regularly falls down on his skates for seemingly no reason, hates contact, and cannot even complete basic plays. How a player goes a season recording 0 points, despite top line minutes, is a question our staff had trouble answering.

But what we will most remember about Mason -- for the rest of our lives really -- is that in one of our viewings, we witnessed an opponent getting into a scrum with Mason, only for him to skate to the bench crying. And not only crying, but screaming noises that defy explanation until the stands went quiet. He went to the locker room and did not re-enter the game. In all our years scouting, we have never witnessed anything like that.

The only upside to Mason's game is that we won't have to watch him ever again.

Quotable: "What the f--- did I just watch?” - NHL Scout (January 2017)

Quotable: “Watching him is part sad, part funny, and part making me reconsider careers......” - NHL Scout (February 2017)

Quotable: "He reminds me of a player named Chris VandeVelde. I like this Mason kid a lot. Plays with structure." - NHL Head Coach (March 2017)

- Mononoke





BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 8:12 AM ET
In other news, the Rags trading Stepan and Raanta to move up to #7, and then using that pick to take Lias Andersson was just priceless. Andersson seems like a can't miss NHL player, but there isn't a single scout out there who thinks his ceiling is anything more than 2nd line center, and many think he will top out as a very good 3C.

The fact that Mittlestadt, Vilardi, Necas and Suzuki were all still on the board just makes it even better. I am so going to enjoy watching them sink into mediocrity and worse over the next few seasons.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 25 @ 8:14 AM ET
I already talked about Frost a lot last night (I loved it), and Ratcliffe/Strome on last page, but if you want me to give any more info on them or ask a question, speak or forever hold yo piece.
- Mononoke


Sorry. I asked about the players, then people came to my house then I passed out.

I am alert and ready to read all you've written!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 8:17 AM ET
Sorry. I asked about the players, then people came to my house then I passed out.

I am alert and ready to read all you've written!

- PhillySportsGuy


Do you often pass out when people come to your house? If so, you may want to consult a medical professional or consider becoming a hermit.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:01 AM ET
Man, the majority of posters in here are female dogs! No wonder the rest of us Flyer fans get a bad rap...
- Lawless18


Hey, (frank) you, buddy.

Unless you're talking about everyone, but me. Then I say Lawless18, hello.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:04 AM ET
Do you often pass out when people come to your house? If so, you may want to consult a medical professional or consider becoming a hermit.
- BiggE




I was out most of the night. Wifey decided to invite over her family at like midnight when we got home. Bunch of girls cackling all night in the living room. I made the right choice drinking myself to sleep and I stand by it.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:11 AM ET


I was out most of the night. Wifey decided to invite over her family at like midnight when we got home. Bunch of girls cackling all night in the living room. I made the right choice drinking myself to sleep and I stand by it.

- PhillySportsGuy


Your first mistake was leaving the bar and coming home.
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
I like the Strome pick...........his game is very solid & with improved skating could be a really good pick.

He knows it's a weak point, now let's see what kind of work he puts in with it to make it a non-issue.

Being a 4th round pick it's a nice risk/reward area

- ob18


I'm all for a 4th round pick being a high risk/high reward kind of pick.
Better than picking a guy who has little to no chance of increasing his abilities further than what they are when drafted.

Having 2 kids has kept me so out of the loop, but from what I've read I'm pleased from the draft overall.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:40 AM ET
I'm all for a 4th round pick being a high risk/high reward kind of pick.
Better than picking a guy who has little to no chance of increasing his abilities further than what they are when drafted.

Having 2 kids has kept me so out of the loop, but from what I've read I'm pleased from the draft overall.

- the deaninator


A future star with their 1st pick, 2 more excellent prospects with the next 2 picks, a goalie who could be a real sleeper in the 3rd round and a bunch of low risk/high reward picks from the 4th round on. IMO, they had an excellent draft.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:52 AM ET
A future star with their 1st pick, 2 more excellent prospects with the next 2 picks, a goalie who could be a real sleeper in the 3rd round and a bunch of low risk/high reward picks from the 4th round on. IMO, they had an excellent draft.
- BiggE


The strength of the Hextall regime appears to be the draft...agree 100% on the draft results. The Schenn deal makes sense if they want to give some of these young guys the proper opportunities. Hextall doesn't want to say it out loud but they may have 6-7 rookies next year....and playing key rolls at that. Should be very entertaining.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 9:53 AM ET
I'm all for a 4th round pick being a high risk/high reward kind of pick.
Better than picking a guy who has little to no chance of increasing his abilities further than what they are when drafted.

Having 2 kids has kept me so out of the loop, but from what I've read I'm pleased from the draft overall.

- the deaninator


How old? My son is almost a year and I've already trained him to read scouting reports to me
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:56 AM ET
How old? My son is almost a year and I've already trained him to read scouting reports to me
- YuenglingJagr


My 4 year old is excellent at picking the coldest beer out of the fridge.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:06 AM ET
The strength of the Hextall regime appears to be the draft...agree 100% on the draft results. The Schenn deal makes sense if they want to give some of these young guys the proper opportunities. Hextall doesn't want to say it out loud but they may have 6-7 rookies next year....and playing key rolls at that. Should be very entertaining.
- landros 2


I have no problem with a bunch of kids in the lineup. There will be growing pains, and there is a good chance, especially if they only get average goaltending, that they will miss the playoffs again next year, but honestly, I can live with that. 2018 is shaping up to be a very deep draft and having 2 mid to high picks in the 1st round works for me.

There is no doubt in my mind that no matter where they finish next year, they will be a playoff team in 18-19 and a Cup contender no later than 20-21 or even in 19-20 if one of the young goal prospects matures quickly.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
My 4 year old is excellent at picking the coldest beer out of the fridge.
- landros 2


It always warms my heart to see parents teaching their kids important life skills.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
The Schenn trade is interesting and a bit frustrating in that I was kind of looking forward to seeing what a full season of Schenn playing with Couts could do together at 5 vs 5 hockey. That combo I think had unrealized promise.

Schenn digging out loose pucks on the power play and keeping their possession alive in the offensive zone was an under appreciated part of his game and may be missed this season.

Oh well, time to move on.

Very curious about the goalie situation. Hexy seems like a methodical operator and I would like to think he's already identified who he wants for a goalie and is working quietly to get that player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 10:42 AM ET
When your 2016 Civic comes with wheel locks but no key...
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
My 4 year old is excellent at picking the coldest beer out of the fridge.
- landros 2

You deserve a medal, my dude
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 25 @ 10:46 AM ET
When your 2016 Civic comes with wheel locks but no key...
- jmatchett383

Welcome to the future
The_Journeyman
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Joined: 02.13.2015

Jun 25 @ 10:51 AM ET
When your 2016 Civic comes with wheel locks but no key...
- jmatchett383


If you're in a desperate situation, you can often hammer on a 19mm socket to get them off. Stupid things vary in size, but this often works.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 11:03 AM ET
The Schenn trade is interesting and a bit frustrating in that I was kind of looking forward to seeing what a full season of Schenn playing with Couts could do together at 5 vs 5 hockey. That combo I think had unrealized promise.

Schenn digging out loose pucks on the power play and keeping their possession alive in the offensive zone was an under appreciated part of his game and may be missed this season.

Oh well, time to move on.

Very curious about the goalie situation. Hexy seems like a methodical operator and I would like to think he's already identified who he wants for a goalie and is working quietly to get that player.

- Marc D


I think the Rangers got more for Stepan but the Isles didn't get quite as much for Hamonic. The trade allowed the Flyers to get two more high end prospects they liked as well as a first rounder for next year. All for someone that wasn't in the plan.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 25 @ 11:05 AM ET
When your 2016 Civic comes with wheel locks but no key...
- jmatchett383


They're usually hidden in the key fob
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:00 PM ET
If you're in a desperate situation, you can often hammer on a 19mm socket to get them off. Stupid things vary in size, but this often works.
- The_Journeyman


Yeah, I used a 3/4 (19.05mm) to get it off. Thanks though.
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