woah okay so we're definitely still arguing

Think about it. They just traded Brayden Schenn for 2 future picks. It doesn't seem as though Hextall is going to hold making the playoffs over Hakstol's head.
- MJL

I agree that Hexy wont hold Hak to making the playoff when it is obvious that Hexy is not focused on the present. That would be silly to pull in all these young pieces and expect better results. Hope for better and push for better yes but expect it...no way.

With that being said if Hak mismanages the team and fails to continue the development of the youth then he will go on the hot seat.

- Streit2ThePoint

doomed

Spent my day live posting about the picks and draft on pizzabuzz, so I'm going to need a summary of the last 15 pages and what topics/prospects I need to address.

Spent my day posting about the picks and draft on pizzabuzz, so I'm going to need a summary of the last 15 pages and what topics/prospects I need to address
- Mononoke

how u feel about Ratcliffe?

doomed
- Mordecai

Honestly, he's right though. Like Sanheim calling Schenn a duster. At least they're astute in their Flyers dislike.

how u feel about Ratcliffe?
- Mordecai

He's really hot. I'm glad they balanced out Strome's face with Patrick's and Isaac's

He's really hot. I'm glad they balanced out Strome's face with Patrick's and Isaac's
- Mononoke

You are pretty into prospects and poop, any insight for us peons? Outside of the boys in the first round.

Thanks man.

He's really hot. I'm glad they balanced out Strome's face with Patrick's and Isaac's
- Mononoke

Weren't Ratcliffe and Strome both in your round 2 targets?

how u feel about Ratcliffe?
- Mordecai

For real now. Had him in the low 40s. I actually thought they were trading up for him at 27 because he seemed like a Flyers pick in my head. So did Frost. And they wanted both.

I really like him as a hockey player. Smart, always in position, a rare skater with pure speed and quick feet for a 6'6 dude, heavy shot, good 2-way, really high floor, works hard, has PWF potential and net front ability on PP. I can definitely see him having potential as a middle 6 support guy, playing with more skilled players. That said, his puck skills don't always wow me with puck handling and passing. I think it limits his ceiling. He just is a bit choppy with the puck. Does need to work on his strength/balance too along boards, but that'll come.

Giving up 3 picks to move up 9 spots was hefty too. I had a handful of forwards I would've chosen before him, ones with higher potential (because just being a rare big man with speed =/= potential if the puck skills are average) but I get it at the same time. I do really like Ratcliffe and just because I wanted some others instead doesn't mean I don't think he's a real player. He was supposed to be a 1st (GMs reach on size so much, and here was one with high end skating! That's cat nip for them) and fell.....just who was left also I hope they're satisfied passing on because they might have bigger boom. But I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in Guelph on a poop team that he wasn't exactly suited for as a support guy. And he still was their best player. He's good, and Flyers fans will like him a ton, even the smart ass ones (like my boys here who probably female doged) who think it was a size pick and that he's not good. He could be a very good middle 6 support player with a unique size/skating combo. Like if he ends up a good possession, 20-25 goal/40 point all situations glue guy, I think that's a realistic ceiling. But if his PP skill-set further develops as a pro and he could be a PP1 net front one day with his size and quick feet and nose for the net, that opens a new door.

Weren't Ratcliffe and Strome both in your round 2 targets?
- arichardson22

Ratcliffe was in my low 40s, but I figured he would go higher than I'd pick him. Strome? No, his skating and overall slowness was a major hang up for me, especially since I didn't see any other high end traits to offset it, like Jason Robertson or Morgan Geekie. But I didn't think he'd fall all the way down there either. Figured him as a late 2nd/early 3rd guy, even if I wouldn't have taken him there. He is smart though, has a good shot, big. He seemed like a genuinely nice kid in his interviews too. Still wasn't "thrilled," especially because I think this team needs more puck skill and speed, not less, especially to compliment all our big centers and 2-way/PWF wingers, but Flyers like those types in the 3/4 round area anyway, so he's a far better option than the Dove McFalls and Twarynskis of the world. Value was there, I suppose. We'll see with him.

Ratcliffe was in my low 40s, but I figured he would go higher than I'd pick him. Strome? No, his skating and overall slowness was a major hang up for me, especially since I didn't see any other high end traits to offset it, like Jason Robertson or Morgan Geekie. But I didn't think he'd fall all the way down there either. Figured him as a late 2nd/early 3rd guy, even if I wouldn't have taken him there. He is smart though, has a good shot, big. He seemed like a genuinely nice kid in his interviews too. Still wasn't "thrilled," especially because I think this team needs more puck skill and speed, not less, especially to compliment all our big centers, but Flyers like those types in the 3/4 round area anyway, so he's a far better option than the Dove McFalls and Twarynskis of the world. Value was there, I suppose. We'll see with him.
- Mononoke

Thanks for telling me more about it and the input

Spent my day live posting about the picks and draft on pizzabuzz, so I'm going to need a summary of the last 15 pages and what topics/prospects I need to address.
- Mononoke

You missed SuperSchennbro going off after the trade as expected. Just needed to vent. Then a debate about the value for him and if it was a mistake. A couple guys hated the trade but most felt the value was there.

Most thought he gave up too much to move up 9 spots but who could hate the pick of a 6'6" freak of nature pick.

Where in the heck did that goalie come from and his impressive numbers. Kind of surprised he wasn't on more people's radars? Not sure about the pick at that time but hey...Hexy has been pretty good with the goalie thing.

Lots of size from today. The Flyers getting bigger and faster.

Think about it. They just traded Brayden Schenn for 2 future picks. It doesn't seem as though Hextall is going to hold making the playoffs over Hakstol's head.
- MJL

If you think hextall will sit quietly and watch this team miss the playoffs next year you are mistaken imo

You missed SuperSchennbro going off after the trade as expected. Just needed to vent. Then a debate about the value for him and if it was a mistake. A couple guys hated the trade but most felt the value was there.

Most thought he gave up too much to move up 9 spots but who could hate the pick of a 6'6" freak of nature pick.

Where in the heck did that goalie come from and his impressive numbers. Kind of surprised he wasn't on more people's radars? Not sure about the pick at that time but hey...Hexy has been pretty good with the goalie thing.

Lots of size from today. The Flyers getting bigger and faster.
- peesinwind

Schenn won't be missed. A good player, but Hexy is trying to turn this thing around starting with even strength play. If the pp suffers in the short term without him so be it

Schenn won't be missed. A good player, but Hexy is trying to turn this thing around starting with even strength play. If the pp suffers in the short term without him so be it
- Just5

Why would the PP suffer? IMO the core of the PP is Giroux,Simmonds,Voracek, and Gostisbhere. You could almost plug anyone into those 4 and not see a drop off.

As a matter of fact they could go to a traditional PP with 2 dmen if Sanheim or Myers makes the team or Lindblom or Patrick can fill the spot.

Why would the PP suffer? IMO the core of the PP is Giroux,Simmonds,Voracek, and Gostisbhere. You could almost plug anyone into those 4 and not see a drop off.

As a matter of fact they could go to a traditional PP with 2 dmen if Sanheim or Myers makes the team or Lindblom or Patrick can fill the spot.
- youarewrong

Schenn missing isn't preventing this team from competing for a playoff spot next year

Schenn missing isn't preventing this team from competing for a playoff spot next year
- Just5

Agree to disagree. It's a step back but I am personally fine with that. This is a contender right now. Take on the dead weight contracts for 2 years, loss them and then strike.

Edit: this is NOT a contender right now

Agree to disagree. It's a step back but I am personally fine with that. This is a contender right now. Take on the dead weight contracts for 2 years, loss them and then strike.

Edit: this is NOT a contender right now
- coffee junkie

I agree with Coffee, it is hard to see in the short term that this team will be better than last year's team but there is a lot of youth on the team and quality prospects in the pipeline.

The key will be how they all develop under Hak and what pieces Hextall puts around them.

This team is totally not taking a step back, with or without Baeden. Too much game changing talent is coming in at every position, and Schenn's points will be made up, even piecemeal, and then some. Flyers have the young talent to filter in. The fat has also been cut away. Add in some improvements on the coaching end (we hope), and voila.

Just re-sign Mason.

If you think hextall will sit quietly and watch this team miss the playoffs next year you are mistaken imo
- Just5

So you think Hextall is going to reverse course and make moves for now? Don't hold your breath.

Agree to disagree. It's a step back but I am personally fine with that. This is a contender right now. Take on the dead weight contracts for 2 years, loss them and then strike.

Edit: this is NOT a contender right now
- coffee junkie

I see no step back. Have you thought about the poop that's being flushed down the toilet? Lots of it lately. There is real talent coming onto this team in the form of lindblom and Patrick.

There's going to be mistakes. Young players will do that. But it's all moving forward. Nothing backward

So you think Hextall is going to reverse course and make moves for now? Don't hold your breath.
- MJL

What is the course?

This team is totally not taking a step back, with or without Baeden. Too much game changing talent is coming in at every position, and Schenn's points will be made up, even piecemeal, and then some. Flyers have the young talent to filter in. The fat has also been cut away. Add in some improvements on the coaching end (we hope), and voila.

Just re-sign Mason.
- Mononoke

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That talent was coming in even if Schenn wasn't traded. It's a loss of offense no matter how you spin it.

What is the course?
- Just5

Haven't you been paying attention?