First off...what?

Secondly, perhaps. Giroux is in decline, whether that is due to age or injuries I don't know. History has shown that late 20's is normal for production decline. That doesn't mean you don't see players like Jagr producing at his age, but that is extremely rare. Also keep in mind Giroux has a NMC. It's not that easy for a team to just ask to trade him unless they have a solid offer on the table already. Personally I feel Voracek overall game looked much better last year, but that doesn't mean he will have a career year in the future. It all depends on if a team is winning, winning always makes players stat lines look better.

Another example better than Hartnell. Richards and Carter. Did the Flyers trade them too soon? Yes, they have 2 stanley cups, but one is out of the league and the other has never matched his production when on the Flyers. The players they received from those trades improved the team greatly. If they never got traded, would the Flyers really be better?
- Glak18

Every post you've responded to by me was you using the argument that you think I'm Brayden Schenn's biggest fan, so let's work on that short term memory.

The Carter and Richards aren't one better than the Hartnell deal. The Hartnell deal was a strict "salary dump" with a piss poor return. Carter and Richards had noted off ice issues.

- Streit2ThePoint

The kid was what, 14 years old when he tweeted this?

I'm on record as saying he's garbage. I will accept what comes with that. Freaking hate every aspect of Schenns game. Whether that's right or wrong doesn't matter. I'm Schennophobic.
- MikesPillBottle

Agreed ..25 goals each of the last two seasons..total trash..

Agreed ..25 goals each of the last two seasons..total trash..
- opeth_pa

He is aight but not a guy I would rely on for a top 6 Stanley cup contender. Maybe just me.

It was a rebuilding move by a club that's committed itself more to the future and less to the present "core". Love it.

He is aight but not a guy I would rely on for a top 6 Stanley cup contender. Maybe just me.

It was a rebuilding move by a club that's committed itself more to the future and less to the present "core". Love it.
- flyer_nutter

Do you think Brayden Schenn is a better player than Nick Bonino or Bryan Rust?

He is aight but not a guy I would rely on for a top 6 Stanley cup contender. Maybe just me.

It was a rebuilding move by a club that's committed itself more to the future and less to the present "core". Love it.
- flyer_nutter

So does that make Hextall in total rebuild mode?

So does that make Hextall in total rebuild mode?
- 77rams

Personally I think from a management perspective they have been in a low key rebuild since he took over.

Do you think Brayden Schenn is a better player than Nick Bonino or Bryan Rust?
- MJL

I'm a huge fan of Hextall realizing and acting on this club being a POS in terms of overall talent and the farm system (when he took over).

I'm excited about the future.

I'm a huge fan of Hextall realizing and acting on this club being a POS in terms of overall talent and the farm system (when he took over).

I'm excited about the future.
- flyer_nutter

Doesn't answer the question and that's an exaggeration. There was some good pieces here when Hextall took over.

So weal is supposed to replace schenn per hak but weal hasn't decided to re sign per hex. Fun times

So does that make Hextall in total rebuild mode?
- 77rams

then we should trade Simmonds because he style of play won't hold up until this team is a legit contender again

there's always June 23rd 2018 for that trade

So weal is supposed to replace schenn per hak but weal hasn't decided to re sign per hex. Fun times
- Tfaehner

Grew to like Weal quite quickly. The goals won't come as often but he was constantly hounding that puck and seems to have decent puck skills. His speed more than anything is a dire need on the big club. Hope he comes back.

So weal is supposed to replace schenn per hak but weal hasn't decided to re sign per hex. Fun times
- Tfaehner

omg because we should freak out without seeing how things develop right?

Doesn't answer the question and that's an exaggeration. There was some good pieces here when Hextall took over.
- MJL

TRUST THE PROCESS

then we should trade Simmonds because he style of play won't hold up until this team is a legit contender again

there's always June 23rd 2018 for that trade
- 2Real

Kind of think they keep Simmer along with G and V, although dealing him at the next draft with say the St Louis and Flyers first could get you something pretty. Hex has options, and he hasn't painted himself into a corner.

Kind of think they keep Simmer along with G and V, although dealing him at the next draft with say the St Louis and Flyers first could get you something pretty. Hex has options, and he hasn't painted himself into a corner.
- flyer_nutter

Options Like goalie propects...me likey.

omg because we should freak out without seeing how things develop right?
- 2Real

I just find it kind of funny. They don't seem to be on the same page which makes me wonder if hextall also has his concerns about hak. I actually like what hexy has done. Good asset management with an eye on being a contender in 3 to 5 years and not rushing that process but instead chosing to use his cap flexibility to gain more future assets.

I just find it kind of funny. They don't seem to be on the same page which makes me wonder if hextall also has his concerns about hak. I actually like what hexy has done. Good asset management with an eye on being a contender in 3 to 5 years and not rushing that process but instead chosing to use his cap flexibility to gain more future assets.
- Tfaehner

I think you're reading in something that isn't there.

I just find it kind of funny. They don't seem to be on the same page which makes me wonder if hextall also has his concerns about hak. I actually like what hexy has done. Good asset management with an eye on being a contender in 3 to 5 years and not rushing that process but instead chosing to use his cap flexibility to gain more future assets.
- Tfaehner

I do think Knoblauch is next in line. Hexy believes he has better options in the top 6 then Schenn that need playing time. Without an assist from luck with the lottery, I think Schenn would still be here. He got good trade value for him because the Blues are going to be disappointed if they move him to center. He's a 2nd line RW who is a better shooter then as a puck handler. I'm not trying to knock him because he has good value.

I do think Knoblauch is next in line. Hexy believes he has better options in the top 6 then Schenn that need playing time. Without an assist from luck with the lottery, I think Schenn would still be here. He got good trade value for him because the Blues are going to be disappointed if they move him to center. He's a 2nd line RW who is a better shooter then as a puck handler. I'm not trying to knock him because he has good value.
- ravishingone

I do wonder if they miss the dance again, if we see Hak on the hot seat.

More importantly, post expasion and entry draft - is what does Hex do with the goalies, and does he try to deal one of the dead weight contracts before the season opens (Read, Lehtera, Fil, Mac, Weise).

Team seems pretty set otherwise.

I do wonder if they miss the dance again, if we see Hak on the hot seat.

More importantly, post expasion and entry draft - is what does Hex do with the goalies, and does he try to deal one of the dead weight contracts before the season opens (Read, Lehtera, Fil, Mac, Weise).

Team seems pretty set otherwise.
- flyer_nutter

I do believe at least 1 more forward will be traded. There won't be much value, probably a lower round pick. Everything I read suggests Knoblauch is rising up the coaching ranks quickly. Since he is in charge of the PP, it wasn't a given the same 5 man unit would have been PP 1. We ll never know what Schenn s role would have been with Knoblauch in charge. I would rather have Patrick, Konency and possibly Lindblom playing at least 15 minutes a night. Someone in the top 6 had to go.

I do wonder if they miss the dance again, if we see Hak on the hot seat.

More importantly, post expasion and entry draft - is what does Hex do with the goalies, and does he try to deal one of the dead weight contracts before the season opens (Read, Lehtera, Fil, Mac, Weise).

Team seems pretty set otherwise.
- flyer_nutter

It's a tough thing to ask of a coach while being in some sort of rebuilding mode. He moved his 3rd leading scorer without getting anything in return to help the team this year. As we speak, our starting goaltender is adequate at best when he's in the lineup.

Those contracts you speak of will be difficult to move without something or someone more significant going back.

If that's true, Hakstol hopes for his sake that Ron has other irons in the fire for some help now, and I don't mean Weal or Lindblom.

I do think Knoblauch is next in line. Hexy believes he has better options in the top 6 then Schenn that need playing time. Without an assist from luck with the lottery, I think Schenn would still be here. He got good trade value for him because the Blues are going to be disappointed if they move him to center. He's a 2nd line RW who is a better shooter then as a puck handler. I'm not trying to knock him because he has good value.
- ravishingone

I personally think that Schenn is better suited for the wing also. St. Louis is weak at center and Schenn is a big improvement over Lehtera at Center for them.

I do wonder if they miss the dance again, if we see Hak on the hot seat.

More importantly, post expasion and entry draft - is what does Hex do with the goalies, and does he try to deal one of the dead weight contracts before the season opens (Read, Lehtera, Fil, Mac, Weise).

Team seems pretty set otherwise.
- flyer_nutter

Think about it. They just traded Brayden Schenn for 2 future picks. It doesn't seem as though Hextall is going to hold making the playoffs over Hakstol's head.

we still arguing or are we excited?