They can, though.

I'm talking your core... guys like Seabrook and Keith and Toews.
- BINGO!

True, but they are building depth and a secondary, younger core.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

As it stands, those * players (as of now) come in at $59M. Most likely, you're getting rid of AA (-$4.5M) and Hossa (-$5.3M), which brings you to around $49M. Add in Panik, you're at $51M.

$51M for:

Saad-Toews-Panik
x-x-Kane
x-x-x
x-x-x
x-x

Keith-Seabs
Murphy-x
x-x
x

Crow
x

That gives you $26M for 15 players. Not saying it's easy to fill a cup contender with that, but it's a hell of a lot easier to navigate than Stan had previously.

If next month the league office gives the Hawks the ok to put Hossa on the LTIR and the Hawks choose to do that on day 2 of the season, could they bring in a Marleau or Thornton or the likes for training camp on a tryout contract so that they could train with the Hawks and be ready for the season and then officially sign them on day 2 of the season?

Really hate this theme.

A 10.5 mil Captain shouldn't need a Saad to revitalize his game.
- vabeachbear

Crosby had a couple years there where they couldn't find decent players to play with him.

I don't know, guys...

I'm actually really psyched on these trades.

So Stan traded Saad, which turned into Anisimov and Panik, and now traded Panarin for Saad. So does the mean that the final deal is Panarin for Saad Anismiov and Panik + TBD?

I don't know, guys...

I'm actually really psyched on these trades.
- Hank3Henshaw

You and me both..

Really hate this theme.

A 10.5 mil Captain shouldn't need a Saad to revitalize his game.
- vabeachbear

It's no embarassment to admit Toews can't be digging the puck out along the boards on every shift. Now they have a forward who can't skate and forecheck. That was the reason Shaw was used with Toews at times. Needed younger legs, with good hands and some grit.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

These are great points.

But say in 2 years when they hit UFA, Hammer would get offers of $5.5M and Panarin would get offers of $7.5M, and say the cap has only gone up from $75 to $78 million. That extra $3M in cap would have to be used just to retain their services.

At least now, any cap increase could be used to re-sign Schmaltz, Hartman, and/or Panik instead of having to watch them walk out the door. This is the key to having Saad and Murphy, who are under contract for 4-5 years more.

I asked this a few pages back, but are the Hawks still on the hook for Panarin's bonus, or since the trade was before 7/1, does that transfer to Columbus? My assumption is that the Hawks still pay it, but it sure would help if they didn't!

They can, though.

I'm talking your core... guys like Seabrook and Keith and Toews.
- BINGO!

Yeah, I understood who you're talking about. How many teams have won the cup without 30+ year old players on it? Even key players.

Can look to last year with the Pens for an example. They had 4 forwards and 3 defensemen on their team who were 30+, including 2 of their top 6 forwards. They would have had 4 d-men if Letang had played (and I excluded Steit because he only played 3 games in the playoffs). Kessel and Crosby are turning 30 soon so.

Hawks have all of 1 forward who is 30+ right now, and he's in the bottom 6. Toews will be turning 30 soon, but that's the only other forward currently. If they get Oshie, that would make 2 in the top 6, but good player so eh. Then they have 3 guys who are 30+ on defense, but Rozsival really should be excluded because he won't play much.

So again, tell me how having a few key/core players being 30+ is going to hurt the team when the rest of the team is getting younger.

Edited out mistakes.

You and me both..
- z1990z

Crosby had a couple years there where they couldn't find decent players to play with him.
- kwolf68

Was he ineffective in those years?

PS. I'm not looking up the stats.

So Stan traded Saad, which turned into Anisimov and Panik, and now traded Panarin for Saad. So does the mean that the final deal is Panarin for Saad Anismiov and Panik + TBD?
- stan-ley-cups

It means to me Bowman got back a player he only dealt because he couldn't afford him. So now he could afford Saad's cap hit and he figured out a way to get him back whiile getting cost certainty for years to come.

I don't know, guys...

I'm actually really psyched on these trades.
- Hank3Henshaw

I think the important thing is the Hawks are trying to address issues and aren't just standing still. They got younger, a bit faster and more physical overall this off-season.

They can, though.

I'm talking your core... guys like Seabrook and Keith and Toews.
- BINGO!

Saad was just added to that core. Murphy could become part of it.

Key pieces are aging but Toews at 29 isn't that old for a center. Would still be the best player on the Canes roster... by a mile.

Myself, I like the trades, especially the Columbus trade. I can now go back to typing Saad instead of Sadd..............................


And for all the posters female doging about these trades, you better have not been the guys female doging about Stan holding players too long and getting nothing for them.

These are great points.

At least now, any cap increase could be used to re-sign Schmaltz, Hartman, and/or Panik instead of having to watch them walk out the door. This is the key to having Saad and Murphy, who are under contract for 4-5 years more.
- DMChi2010

And Jurco. You forgot Jurco.

Was he ineffective in those years?

PS. I'm not looking up the stats.
- vabeachbear

No his stats have always been good except when injured.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

There is a cap shed possibly coming. That could be AA... and the return could be disappointing... Could also be adding an asset to move Hossa - but that probably waits.

I think the important thing is the Hawks are trying to address issues and aren't just standing still. They got younger, a bit faster and more physical overall this off-season.
- breadbag

Totally agree, man.

Well said.

So Stan traded Saad, which turned into Anisimov and Panik, and now traded Panarin for Saad. So does the mean that the final deal is Panarin for Saad Anismiov and Panik + TBD?
- stan-ley-cups

And a potential future #1 goalie?

@craigsmorgan
Not sure where Blackhawks F Marian Hossa's contract will end up, if anywhere, but it appears it won't be in Arizona.

@ChristopherHine
Chris Hine Retweeted Craig Morgan
A source said yesterday the market for shedding Hossa's contract wasn't a good one.
- L_B_R

That makes no sense. He has a $5m+ cap hit for a $1m salary for the next 4 years. I can't imagine a better contract for a team trying to get to the Cap floor.

I do believe they can't make this trade now. Need to let things settle, let the league rule that he is LTIR eligible. Maybe even wait a whole year to let him verify that he's not coming back, that this injury is truly career ending. Then trade him in a cap move trade.

Yeah, I understood who you're talking about. How many teams have won the cup without 30+ year old players on it? Pens have 4 forwards and 3 defensemen on their team last year in that range, including 2 of their top 6. They would have had 4 d-men if Letang had played and I excluded Steit because he only played 3 games in the playoffs. Kessel and Crosby are turning 30 soon so.

Hawks have all of 1 forwards 30+ next year, and he's on the bottom 6. Toews will be turning 29, but that's the only other forward. If they get Oshie, that would make 2 in the top 6, but good player so eh. Then they have 3 guys who are 30+ on defense, but Rozsival really should be excluded because he won't play much.

So again, tell me how having a few key players being 30+ is going to hurt the team when the rest of the team is getting younger.
- L_B_R

To further your point...

Going by what has happened in the past there are 2 positions that a player in their early to mid 30's can often play at a high level...Goalie and defenders.

Anaheim won the Cup with Pronger and Niedermayer playing about 1/2 the game and they were well into their 30's.

What was lacking was speed on the forecheck...Now they have some and maybe the possession #'s will look better this year.

Could be a special on soft shell crab at a restaurant in Hinsdale...So maybe Q wanted to grab some lunch before heading back to UC...

- Al

York Tavern happy hour started early.