Really warming up to the idea of Evander Kane in a Hawks sweater. Move AA+ to Buffalo and bring that big LW here.

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Winning tradition and leadership will help him here. He also looks to be turning the corner and coming into his own. Expect anything now after what Stan just pulled off with the Man Child back in ChiTown.

Ek is wearing 8 in Buffalo. Throw 80 on him here. Crazy 8's line.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.

He doesn't have to if he makes his line mates better.
- CanOCorn

I don't know that he's going to boost their production either....

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

Actually pretty good points

I don't know that he's going to boost their production either....
- BINGO!

Then you haven't looked at the facts of how productive Toews was with him.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

Yep. Really just trying to delay the inevitable, but all they're doing now is watching a lot of expensive assets get older/less valuable.

I thought the rumor came out before the Saad deal - maybe he went to conference with Stan about it.
- StLBravesFan

this is how I understood it

@craigsmorgan
Not sure where Blackhawks F Marian Hossa's contract will end up, if anywhere, but it appears it won't be in Arizona.

@ChristopherHine
Chris Hine Retweeted Craig Morgan
A source said yesterday the market for shedding Hossa's contract wasn't a good one.

Yep. Really just trying to delay the inevitable, but all they're doing now is watching a lot of expensive assets get older/less valuable.
- BINGO!

Thanks for letting us know there is now a trade freeze.

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to d

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

Pretty smart analysis. Can they drop more of their best players and would that make the team better? So far today they are worse and still have a cap problem.

this is how I understood it
- mrpaulish

Hey Q... here is how it goes.

HC = coaches the on ice product provided by the GM.

GM = Hires HC/AC. Drafts/obtains players for the team.

Deal with it or go. Your team slept walk through a 4-0 a$$ whooping in the playoffs. I would keep my head down and get back to work.

@craigsmorgan
Not sure where Blackhawks F Marian Hossa's contract will end up, if anywhere, but it appears it won't be in Arizona.

@ChristopherHine
Chris Hine Retweeted Craig Morgan
A source said yesterday the market for shedding Hossa's contract wasn't a good one.
- L_B_R

Interesting. I wonder if that changes if the Hawks sweeten the deal.

Yep. Really just trying to delay the inevitable, but all they're doing now is watching a lot of expensive assets get older/less valuable.
- BINGO!

So trading for younger assets doesn't help in the long run? It may be similar value for the cap, but the age of the team just went down. It's not like a team stops having 30+ year olds on their team altogether lol.

I don't think the team is better than it was yesterday, but they're making the exact moves people have been saying they need to do - get younger.

@craigsmorgan
Not sure where Blackhawks F Marian Hossa's contract will end up, if anywhere, but it appears it won't be in Arizona.

@ChristopherHine
Chris Hine Retweeted Craig Morgan
A source said yesterday the market for shedding Hossa's contract wasn't a good one.
- L_B_R

Then you haven't looked at the facts of how productive Toews was with him.
- kwolf68

You mean 25-26 year old Toews instead of 29-30 year old Toews?

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Are they really trying to trade Hoss?

So trading for younger assets doesn't help in the long run? It may be similar value for the cap, but the age of the team just went down. It's not like a team stops having 30+ year olds on their team altogether lol.
- L_B_R

They can, though.

I'm talking your core... guys like Seabrook and Keith and Toews.

Hey Q... here is how it goes.

HC = coaches the on ice product provided by the GM.

GM = Hires HC/AC. Drafts/obtains players for the team.

Deal with it or go. Your team slept walk through a 4-0 a$$ whooping in the playoffs. I would keep my head down and get back to work.
- z1990z

Again, we have no idea what happened--if anything happed. People are just making up that there's some kind of drama.

Honestly, who cares?

But, I'll say this: I have no problem with guys disagreeing. These are grown men who have a lot of money on the line. I'd rather have someone push back a bit and share their opinion on something, than some "Yes man" who does whatever he's told.

Dunno about stormed off, but he did get up and leave in a cab, apparently.

@drosennhl
Joel QuenJoel Quenneville just walked out of the coach's meeting at the League's official Draft hotel, got in a cab and left.
- L_B_R

Could be a special on soft shell crab at a restaurant in Hinsdale...So maybe Q wanted to grab some lunch before heading back to UC...

You mean 25-26 year old Toews instead of 29-30 year old Toews?
- BINGO!

Saad has been gone 2 years.

And thanks for letting us know hockey players are usually washed up at 30.

What is your purpose here? We have plenty of fans of other teams pissing in the wind about these trades. You need to get in line.

We are still over the cap by $1.5mil.
If you move Kruger and only take back a draft pick you gain $3 mil in cap space.
Move Anisimov & take back $3 mil in salary you gain another $1.5 mil in cap space.
So you have $3mil to spend during the Summer. (Gagner? Sharp? Oduya? Girardi?)

Then add Hossa's cap hit on the 2nd day of the season and you would have another $5mil to spend during the season or at the TDL.

Could be a special on soft shell crab at a restaurant in Hinsdale...So maybe Q wanted to grab some lunch before heading back to UC...

- Al

Sale on mustache oil!

The hawks have an unworkable "core", consisting of 9 players that take up $60m of their cap space*. That leaves them with about $15m in cap space for 14 players to fill out the roster. That doesnt work!!! The hawks HAVE to get down to a core at $50-55m.

Trading Hammer's $4.1m for Murphy's $3.85m doesnt help that problem.
Trading Panarin's $6m for Saad's $6m doesnt help that problem.
Adding Oshie (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Galynchek (core money) doesnt help.
Adding Evander Kane for AA doesnt help.
Losing Hoss helps some (I don't think all of his cost drops to available based on difficulties manuevering within LTIR), but oh, what a price.

Work left to do!!

* Kane, Toews, AA, Hossa (until LTIR, and the gain there isn't well understood), Saad, Keith, Seab, Murphy, Craw. $60m+-.
- Cmonalready

agreed...panarin and hammy were hockey trades...a few other salary cap shoes have to drop...

So trading for younger assets doesn't help in the long run? It may be similar value for the cap, but the age of the team just went down. It's not like a team stops having 30+ year olds on their team altogether lol.

I don't think the team is better than it was yesterday, but they're making the exact moves people have been saying they need to do - get younger.
- L_B_R

Younger - and bigger (Saad and Murphy) and faster (Saad and the new center) - that what they gave up.

These opinions are coming from people who have probable watched less than 10 games of either player. Yes, Saad is regular season streaky. So was Panarin but Saad is unquestionably a better fit for this roster with Hossa gone. Saad is more of a speed threat, more of a physical presence, and can help L1 as well as L2. The fact he is younger, more cost controlled, can help on the PK, and possibly help revitalize Toews really makes it sort of a no brainer.
- tredbrta

Really hate this theme.

A 10.5 mil Captain shouldn't need a Saad to revitalize his game.