Total CAP hit for AA and Kruger is $7.633. Assuming they both go away, you can add a pretty good piece for $7M.
- scottak

Pieces....plural. Preferably three pieces. Going the other way puts more onus on Stan to backfill with rookies, aging vets, near league minimum contracts, etc.

One thing i do like about the new Murphy kid is he's steadily improved his CF%REL over his years and increased his Dzone starts. So he's getting more d-zone time and the team is worse without him on the ice now.

One thing i do like about the new Murphy kid is he's steadily improved his CF%REL over his years and increased his Dzone starts. So he's getting more d-zone time and the team is worse without him on the ice now.
- JRoenick97

What is "CF%" and "REL" ?

One thing i do like about the new Murphy kid is he's steadily improved his CF%REL over his years and increased his Dzone starts. So he's getting more d-zone time and the team is worse without him on the ice now.
- JRoenick97

It's a good, sneaky move I think. Bowman doesn't make a lot of good trades, but the "sneaky ones" like Leddy, like Panik where he gets player sorta in disfavor who then turn out to be good players seems to be one area he does do fairly well.

What is "CF%" and "REL" ?
- Hank3Henshaw

Corsi for relative to the rest of the team. basicall, he has a CF%REL of 1, which means, on average, the team gives up 1 more shot per game with him off the ice than on. When he started, he has a -4.5, so they gave up more shots with him on the ice.

When comparing Panarin and Saad remember that 17 of Panarin's points (9G 8A) were on the power play. Saad did not get much PP time. Also Saad did some penalty killing for Columbus.
- -Doh-

Saad was seldom on the PP here.

Corsi for relative to the rest of the team. basicall, he has a CF%REL of 1, which means, on average, the team gives up 1 more shot per game with him off the ice than on. When he started, he has a -4.5, so they gave up more shots with him on the ice.
- JRoenick97

His main partner on the team was Goligoski too, so it's not like he had OEL boosting his numbers (he actually negatively impacted OEL but that was in small samples / not last year).

I think too many fans are looking at what Saad did during the 2013 and 2015 Cup runs and assuming "He's a playoff style player, and Panarin is just a regular season style player".

This is flawed....and honestly it surprises me that so many are being fooled into believing this.

Look, Panarin isn't as physical as Saad i get it....but in terms of "playoff style hockey" i think its more of an illusion created by the fact that the Hawks teams Saad played for were deep and dominant(eventual Cup champions)....while Panarin was part of 2 overall inferior teams in 2015/16 and 16/17. Its completely unfair to judge what we saw from Panarin in those 2 first round exits and compare it to what we saw from Saad playing on the best team in the NHL(at the time).

Like I've been saying, if you would have replaced Saad with Panarin on the Richards-Kane line, or the Shaw-Stalberg line, in either 2015 or 2013 I guarantee you we'd all be talking about how great Panarin is(was) during the playoffs, and if we had Saad with AA and Kane over these past 2 years nobody would be calling Saad "a playoff performer", he'd be looking at 2 first round exits just like Breadman was.

So again....please consider this fellow Hawks fans, and don't get fooled into believing that Saad is some big time playoff performer while Panarin shrinks and can't handle the moment. Thats a myth created by the overall quality of the 2 different Hawks teams those 2 players played for.

His main partner on the team was Goligoski too, so it's not like he had OEL boosting his numbers (he actually negatively impacted OEL but that was in small samples / not last year).
- L_B_R

I think the kid has good potential to be a shot suppressor and a solid stay at home guy. Plus he's a big dude.

Corsi for relative to the rest of the team. basicall, he has a CF%REL of 1, which means, on average, the team gives up 1 more shot per game with him off the ice than on. When he started, he has a -4.5, so they gave up more shots with him on the ice.
- JRoenick97

Thanks for the heads up. I had no clue. Haha.

Anyone know if its possible for Hossa to return for the playoffs(if we make it that far)???

Hawks are $1.5mil over the cap. When they trade Kruger they will be $1.5 under the cap. If I am Bowman I would package AA and our first round pick to Buffalo for Kane with Buffalo retaining 1/2 his salary. Then you will have about $3.5mil under the cap. Sign Gagner for about $2mil and Sharp for 1.5mil.

Saad Toews Panik
Kane Gagner Kane
Sharp Schmaltz Hartman
Fortin Kero Hayden

On day two of the season after Hossa goes on LTIR you have $5mil to fill in some holes in the roster during the season or at the TDL.

E.Kane comes off the books at the end of the season.

I think too many fans are looking at what Saad did during the 2013 and 2015 Cup runs and assuming "He's a playoff style player, and Panarin is just a regular season style player".

This is flawed....and honestly it surprises me that so many are being fooled into believing this.

Look, Panarin isn't as physical as Saad i get it....but in terms of "playoff style hockey" i think its more of an illusion created by the fact that the Hawks teams Saad played for were deep and dominant(eventual Cup champions)....while Panarin was part of 2 overall inferior teams in 2015/16 and 16/17. Its completely unfair to judge what we saw from Panarin in those 2 first round exits and compare it to what we saw from Saad playing on the best team in the NHL(at the time).

Like I've been saying, if you would have replaced Saad with Panarin on the Richards-Kane line, or the Shaw-Stalberg line, in either 2015 or 2013 I guarantee you we'd all be talking about how great Panarin is(was) during the playoffs, and if we had Saad with AA and Kane over these past 2 years nobody would be calling Saad "a playoff performer", he'd be looking at 2 first round exits just like Breadman was.

So again....please consider this fellow Hawks fans, and don't get fooled into believing that Saad is some big time playoff performer while Panarin shrinks and can't handle the moment. Thats a myth created by the overall quality of the 2 different Hawks teams those 2 players played for.
- SimpleJack

The argument shouldn't really be playoff performer versus not playoff performer, it should be type of player versus what the team needs. Panarin is an elite offensive scorer. He's got a cannon shot and can do crazy things with the puck. He's like Kane, but more of a pure goal scorer. The thing is, we have Kane to do that. We lost Hossa, a huge 2 way monster that can pot 25 goals. That's where Saad comes in. he's a 2 way beast and big 5v5 goal scorer. CLB needs a pure goal scorer, we need a 2 way guy to replace some of what Hossa had.

Panarin is a great talent, he's just not the talent we need as badly as Saad.

Anyone know if its possible for Hossa to return for the playoffs(if we make it that far)???
- SimpleJack

He technically could.

Anyone know if its possible for Hossa to return for the playoffs(if we make it that far)???
- SimpleJack

To be honest, if that happened, I would totally understand other teams suspicions even more so.

The argument shouldn't really be playoff performer versus not playoff performer, it should be type of player versus what the team needs. Panarin is an elite offensive scorer. He's got a cannon shot and can do crazy things with the puck. He's like Kane, but more of a pure goal scorer. The thing is, we have Kane to do that. We lost Hossa, a huge 2 way monster that can pot 25 goals. That's where Saad comes in. he's a 2 way beats and big 5v5 goal scorer. CLB needs a pure goal scorer, we need a 2 way guy to replace some of what Hossa had.

Panarin is a great talent, he's just not the talent we need as badly as Saad.
- JRoenick97

Not to mention Saad is locked up for 4 more seasons vs 2 more for Panarin. I love getting Saad back. Now trade Anisimov so when the Hawks win the Cup next year people can blame it all on the Russians

To be honest, if that happened, I would totally understand other teams suspicions even more so.
- Hank3Henshaw

Also, not sure what a 38 year old guy who hasn't played hockey in almost a full year would do for our playoff chances.

I think too many fans are looking at what Saad did during the 2013 and 2015 Cup runs and assuming "He's a playoff style player, and Panarin is just a regular season style player".

This is flawed....and honestly it surprises me that so many are being fooled into believing this.

Look, Panarin isn't as physical as Saad i get it....but in terms of "playoff style hockey" i think its more of an illusion created by the fact that the Hawks teams Saad played for were deep and dominant(eventual Cup champions)....while Panarin was part of 2 overall inferior teams in 2015/16 and 16/17. Its completely unfair to judge what we saw from Panarin in those 2 first round exits and compare it to what we saw from Saad playing on the best team in the NHL(at the time).

Like I've been saying, if you would have replaced Saad with Panarin on the Richards-Kane line, or the Shaw-Stalberg line, in either 2015 or 2013 I guarantee you we'd all be talking about how great Panarin is(was) during the playoffs, and if we had Saad with AA and Kane over these past 2 years nobody would be calling Saad "a playoff performer", he'd be looking at 2 first round exits just like Breadman was.

So again....please consider this fellow Hawks fans, and don't get fooled into believing that Saad is some big time playoff performer while Panarin shrinks and can't handle the moment. Thats a myth created by the overall quality of the 2 different Hawks teams those 2 players played for.
- SimpleJack

Time to let it go. Panarin wore out his welcome really quickly. Saad is a much better, dominant player. Just remember the play-off line of Saad, Shaw and Kane. Not only did Kane control the puck but Saad was a puck- possession monster. StanBo fleeced Columbus. For being a pain in the butt Panarin must now play for Torts. Let the chaos begin!

Sooooo...what are the odds the Hawks send a first rd pick and a prospect to AZ at the trade deadline for Hammer at 50% salary retained?



C'mon, it's not too early to wish/dream!!!!

Also, not sure what a 38 year old guy who hasn't played hockey in almost a full year would do for our playoff chances.
- JRoenick97

Haha. That was going to be my other point.

I think too many fans are looking at what Saad did during the 2013 and 2015 Cup runs and assuming "He's a playoff style player, and Panarin is just a regular season style player".

This is flawed....and honestly it surprises me that so many are being fooled into believing this.

Look, Panarin isn't as physical as Saad i get it....but in terms of "playoff style hockey" i think its more of an illusion created by the fact that the Hawks teams Saad played for were deep and dominant(eventual Cup champions)....while Panarin was part of 2 overall inferior teams in 2015/16 and 16/17. Its completely unfair to judge what we saw from Panarin in those 2 first round exits and compare it to what we saw from Saad playing on the best team in the NHL(at the time).

Like I've been saying, if you would have replaced Saad with Panarin on the Richards-Kane line, or the Shaw-Stalberg line, in either 2015 or 2013 I guarantee you we'd all be talking about how great Panarin is(was) during the playoffs, and if we had Saad with AA and Kane over these past 2 years nobody would be calling Saad "a playoff performer", he'd be looking at 2 first round exits just like Breadman was.

So again....please consider this fellow Hawks fans, and don't get fooled into believing that Saad is some big time playoff performer while Panarin shrinks and can't handle the moment. Thats a myth created by the overall quality of the 2 different Hawks teams those 2 players played for.
- SimpleJack

Keep it simple:

Roughly same 5v5 offensive production at same cost AAV for twice as long as Panarin who would want a raise in two years. Nothing else really matters.

Saad himself scored 55 goals over the past two seasons — just six fewer than Panarin.
- JRoenick97

Also Saad didn't play with a Kane and had to play for Torts which must be like playing for a angry toddler.

kruger for Collin miller (RD) from vegas if hawks have add sweetner add hino
AA to buffalo for evander kane or to rangers for jt miller since rangers are down a center. sign girandi in offseason bottom paring rd for reasonable price if need be.

Also Saad didn't play with a Kane and had to play for Torts which must be like playing for a angry toddler.
- Z3Hawk

Saad won't make up for Panarin on the PP, but that's fine as long as he helps at 5v5 and on the PK.
- L_B_R

Was that PP that good that it's a loss?