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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 23 @ 10:20 AM ET
Enjoying those ad's?

Peasants

- Mordecai


Pro tip: On a PC the Chrome ad-blocker doesn't even trip the nanny nagging pop-up any more.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
Nico is closer to being that Giroux replacement, IMO. Datsyukian.
- Tomahawk



So is he Giroux or Datsyuk? Because Giroux isn't Datsyuk.

I think Patrick's game is compared to Kopitar/Toews.

bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
OK, well you have certainly put my mind at ease. Not worth discussing any further.
Questioable contracts from Hexy that have been discussed:
Pebs
Weise
Jake
Rinaldo
VDV
Ghost
He may over value some players. Did any of these guys play to the value of their contract LAST year.
BTW, I am throwing out ideas for open discussion. no need for you to get personal and be a DOUCHE BAG about it

- jaws1955


He traded Rinaldo
VDV doesn't have a new contract yet
The Ghost contract is really good
The PEB contract, while not great, wasn't terrible either
The jake contrcat is still okay. I would give it two more years to see if it was actually questionable
Really the only bad one on here is Weise and I'm willing to give him a pass since he got us out of cap hell and had a couple of really solid drafts

I was never getting personal. You are. If you don't understand why hextall won't give an aging power forward an 8 year contract that would make him one of the highest paid players in the league when his career high in points is like 58, thats on you
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
Nico is closer to being that Giroux replacement, IMO. Datsyukian.
- Tomahawk


Yes. Nico or bust.

The knocks on Nico are so overblown. Undersized? GTFO. Not good defensively. GTFO. He's a lot better defensively than he's given credit for. He very well could be a bigger and more defensively sound Giroux at some point.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:23 AM ET
I can honestly see Hextall trading the number 2 pick, Neuvrith and Schenn to Vegas for their 6th overall and Pierre Edouard-Bellamare.
- LindsayCarson


what...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
Not to stray from the NHL draft, but has Markelle Fultz scheduled his season-ending knee/leg injury yet?
- jmatchett383



For some reason I still feel this is all going to go bad.

I think Simmonds leaves for LA when he can.

Embiid never plays a full season

Fultz just isn't as good as everyone expects

And FAs just don't feel like coming to Philly
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
Part of me thinks that Nico is going to be the real high-end player - future All-Star whereas Nolan will be more of a Trevor Linden type player. 2nd line center gradually turning into a defensive-forward that never produces more than a couple 20 goal seasons. That's a great player to have but the Flyers already have one of those. They need a Giroux replacement bad, especially considering Giroux's swan dive off a cliff this past season.
- Pixote Andolini



While I have no doubt Giroux is in decline, I still think this season will be a better barometer as to how fast and far it really is. Hopefully he is 100% coming in to the season, no hip surgeries, no World Cups.

I hope to see him around that 20-23 goal 40-45 assist area.

Granted he has 44 assists and 58 points on what we consider a very down year. I just hope to see some more ES production. 9 goals and 17 assists in 82 games just doesn't cut it.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
Not to stray from the NHL draft, but has Markelle Fultz scheduled his season-ending knee/leg injury yet?
- jmatchett383

bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
Well, for discussion purposes that is a RIDICULOUS Extension contract. That is kind of the point. 4 or 5 years @ 6 to 7 a year works. It is proven year after year that the big tail off hits at 30. Pay him for future production, not because he has had a deal that has been good for the team and Hexy thinks he owes him.
- jaws1955


no the point is that you even threw that out there as a potential contract Hextall would do
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:25 AM ET
So is he Giroux or Datsyuk? Because Giroux isn't Datsyuk.

I think Patrick's game is compared to Kopitar/Toews.

- J35Bacher


Why does it matter? 12 months from now you'll be posting crazy trade scenarios of them trading Nico/Nolan. The real question is for who?
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:25 AM ET
So I really want Nico and wouldn't be upset with Patrick

BUT

Man, do I love Cody Glass too. Wouldn't take him at 2 but I think he's going to be a good one.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:27 AM ET
So I really want Nico and wouldn't be upset with Patrick

BUT

Man, do I love Cody Glass too. Wouldn't take him at 2 but I think he's going to be a good one.

- Mordecai

Yeah those are my thoughts as well. It could just be wishful thinking, but if I had to put money on who the Devils pick I still say Patrick
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:27 AM ET
So I really want Nico and wouldn't be upset with Patrick

BUT

Man, do I love Cody Glass too. Wouldn't take him at 2 but I think he's going to be a good one.

- Mordecai

Every rumor with us dropping I've read has us dropping for him. So yeah there's smoke there...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:28 AM ET
Why does it matter? 12 months from now you'll be posting crazy trade scenarios of them trading Nico/Nolan. The real question is for who?
- JFlyers00



Sure..

Ok..

nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:28 AM ET
So I really want Nico and wouldn't be upset with Patrick

BUT

Man, do I love Cody Glass too. Wouldn't take him at 2 but I think he's going to be a good one.

- Mordecai


If they trade back they have to make sure Glass is one of the prospects they come away with. Worst thing to happen is they make a trade with Vegas and Glass goes to Dal or Col
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:29 AM ET
Every rumor with us dropping I've read has us dropping for him. So yeah there's smoke there...
- FlyersGrace



Who has been reporting these because I have yet to see one.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:29 AM ET
So I really want Nico and wouldn't be upset with Patrick

BUT

Man, do I love Cody Glass too. Wouldn't take him at 2 but I think he's going to be a good one.

- Mordecai


Not gonna lie, I'll cry myself to sleep tonight if we don't get Nico.

I would definitely put Glass at #3 behind the big two.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
I know this is crazy but if we somehow came out this draft with 1 of Nico/Nolan AND Glass...

ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
If they trade back they have to make sure Glass is one of the prospects they come away with. Worst thing to happen is they make a trade with Vegas and Glass goes to Dal or Col
- nonpoint22


Agreed, that s why I don't see him trading back. With this gift because of luck, you have to come away with one of the 2 best prospects on your board. If you get cute, then shame on Hexy.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:36 AM ET
Giroux to NJ for the 1st+ confirmed E9001!
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:36 AM ET
Yeah those are my thoughts as well. It could just be wishful thinking, but if I had to put money on who the Devils pick I still say Patrick
- YuenglingJagr


I tried to bet this, but my bookie doesn't have the option Only poopty prop bets like over/under for trades during day one, forwards taken in first round, etc.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 23 @ 10:37 AM ET
I know I am biases as I LOVE hockey, really like football, think baseball is ok and am eh about basketball, but I still believe the NHL gets the draft right and the best. Love how so many of the kids show up even deep into the later rounds. I was at the draft in NJ and loved how some kids drafted as far as the 4th and 5th round were there. No one shows up to the baseball draft really and even football was lacking of first round players showing up. I like that you can trade draft picks. still don't understand why you cant trade picks in baseball and why you can't trade the actual pick at the draft in basketball. its silly that a kid goes up with a cap on then 5 mins later he is traded to another team. let the team he is ending up with draft him. just weird to me. I like that teams name the player they want opposed to the Commissioner. Baseball is also odd that you get 2 months to sign the player or lose his rights.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:39 AM ET
I know this is crazy but if we somehow came out this draft with 1 of Nico/Nolan AND Glass...
- Mordecai


Probably have to trade Simmonds for that to happen lol
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
I tried to bet this, but my bookie doesn't have the option Only poopty prop bets like over/under for trades during day one, forwards taken in first round, etc.
- JFlyers00

I currently have to do a best man speech next month in my underwear if the Flyers trade #2
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
Probably have to trade Simmonds for that to happen lol
- JFlyers00

Don't tempt me
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