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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:35 PM ET
Meh, Schenn doesn't exactly strike fear in the hearts of opponents. Just adding Morin will make the whole team feel a little bigger
- BiggE


And how the (frank) did I forget about Morin?

Good point, re: losing toughness in the Schenn deal
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:35 PM ET
Nolan Patrick isn't a soft kid.

I don't think Oskar Lindblom is either.

- johndewar

Simmonds and Gudas are still here too lol
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
I don't know if the Filppula move is a waste, per se. It may end up that way, but I don't think it was when they made it.

Do they make the Schenn deal if they don't get Nolan Patrick? I'm not sure.

- johndewar


In my view Schenn was a winger in the Flyers eyes moving forward so I don't think drafting Patrick pushed them to the deal. I think it was all about the picks.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
We got 2 firsts for Schenn.

2 firsts.

- Giroux_Is_God


flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
And how the (frank) did I forget about Morin?

Good point, re: losing toughness in the Schenn deal

- johndewar


For me the lack of speed, is/was more of an issue than toughness.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
Ever since Hexy took over, the team has been lukewarm on Schenn (no pun intended). I have a feeling Hexy shopped him pretty hard and this was the best offer.

Like I said last offseason, the Flyers should move Schenn when his value was at its highest. I imagine they could have gotten a lot more for him last offseason.

- PhillySportsGuy


I think it's fair to say that Schenn was a piece they liked but never loved
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
Schenn was maybe the 5th "toughest" player on this team. If the decision is to keep a guy because he is "tough" or trade him for 2 1sts, you (frank)ing Trayden
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
LOL

Now you're just picking at folks -- Blues are gonna be fine next year. They had stopped listening to Hitch and needed a new voice, but the 99 points they had last season were legit

- AllInForFlyers


Who takes Schenn's spot on the PP?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:37 PM ET

- Tomahawk

BUT LEHTERAAAAA!!!!!!
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:37 PM ET
Who takes Schenn's spot on the PP?
- PLindbergh31

Oh I don't know maybe Lindblom or TK or Patrick?

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:38 PM ET
Who takes Schenn's spot on the PP?
- PLindbergh31


Truthfully?

I'd put Couturier's big ass there and give him every opportunity to make that work
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:38 PM ET
Schenn was maybe the 5th "toughest" player on this team. If the decision is to keep a guy because he is "tough" or trade him for 2 1sts, you (frank)ing Trayden
- Mordecai


(frank) yeah.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:38 PM ET
Simmonds and Gudas are still here too lol
- Mordecai


Couturier could play a mean game at times. Actually his best games are when he was mixing it up.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:39 PM ET
Im not gonna complain at all about getting 2 first for Schenn ill just feel a lot better when some of the prospects score some goals this season..

PP or not, goals count exactly the same and Schenn hit 25 or more the last 2 seasons.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:39 PM ET
Who takes Schenn's spot on the PP?
- PLindbergh31

Literally anyone who can stand there and take a shot. It's not like he did anything on the PP exepct be the 3rd option for a pass/2nd in line for a rebound.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:39 PM ET
Have to remember there is a new person bringing in ideas for pp. Maybe they don't have the double high screen.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:40 PM ET
Who takes Schenn's spot on the PP?
- PLindbergh31


Lindblom? Weal?

Or the dude that we picked with the 2nd pick that people have been touting since he was 14?

We're not going to miss Brayden Schenn IMO.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:40 PM ET
Truthfully?

I'd put Couturier's big ass there and give him every opportunity to make that work

- AllInForFlyers



Not really sure Coots has shown the ability to finish that warrants that but Im all for trying..

Im also not insulting Couturier and his fancy stats..
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:40 PM ET
Have to remember there is a new person bringing in ideas for pp. Maybe they don't have the double high screen.
- J35Bacher


Or this too.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:40 PM ET
Im not gonna complain at all about getting 2 first for Schenn ill just feel a lot better when some of the prospects score some goals this season..

PP or not, goals count exactly the same and Schenn hit 25 or more the last 2 seasons.

- opeth_pa

You raise a good point and Schenn should not be completely discounted. But I do believe his production is replaceable.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:42 PM ET
We picked Nolan Patrick in the draft and most of us would have murdered a homeless guy to get this guy before the Flyers luckily got the 2nd pick in the draft.

And somehow, we're fixated on how we're replacing Brayden Schenn's PP contribution? Really?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:42 PM ET
If I had to guess I'd say they'll dump Read and Filppula tomorrow with some picks attached to them.

Hopefully pick up a goalie too. That should leave them in ok shape.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:42 PM ET
Im not gonna complain at all about getting 2 first for Schenn ill just feel a lot better when some of the prospects score some goals this season..

PP or not, goals count exactly the same and Schenn hit 25 or more the last 2 seasons.

- opeth_pa


Agreed -- yeah, I want more ES scoring, too. We all do. And looking at Schenn in a vacuum, it's fair to say that he didn't do enough at ES

But it's just as fair to look at some other guys and wonder WTF they are doing at ES, too

Getting two firsts for Schenn is value, and I would've pulled the trigger on that even knowing that second pick is likely gonna be in the 20s

But it wasn't like that guy didn't get better from a few years ago and 50-60 points -- hey. Somebody needs to get those

Not saying they won't. But somebody needs to get those
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:43 PM ET
Man, SuperSchennBros is gonna be pissssssssed........
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:44 PM ET
I may say something that sounds crazy to many, but makes sense in my mind: I would try Laughton in Schenn's spot on the PP. I think his shot would play well in that spot.

I'm sure Lindblom will get a look as well. The Flyers may just decide to overhaul the PP completely considering they brought in a new coach. It may be in the team's best interest to figure out a way to get Patrick on the top unit as well. He has a great shot.
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