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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:06 PM ET
Blues took on the player with the higher cap hit. How is it a cap dump for them?
- MJL

So they don't have to pay someone they don't want almost 5 million dollars
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:06 PM ET
This
- PhillySportsGuy


My post though. It makes zero sense to have 2 overpaid 3C types who are not playing center.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
Buyout?
- Mordecai


0% chance
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
Then why protect Laughton. The 1st rounders I get, but the Lehtera thing is also a hang up to me. He makes $4.7 mil for 2 years. He is not close to a need. Why do we have both Flip and Lehtera making almost $10 mil? That's crazy. I really want to see where this is going.
- Mononoke


Both Lehtera and Filppula can play the Wing if need be. Makes one wonder whether Laughton and Vecchione are going to have a legit shot to make the team. I'm thinking some kind of dominoes but it's not as if the deal cleared significant cap space.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
Pretty cool for the blackhawks to bring out Kane and Toews. Too bad they are wet paper bags for personality
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
I think Schenn's value was pretty low. They should have moved him earlier. Is Schenn worth $5M per year? sure. But is he worth much more than that? Probably not. Hard to deal guys for a big return when they don't have much surplus value. Hexy had to take Lehtera just to maximize the value on the return.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hinkied that mutha
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:08 PM ET
That Pens trade is terrible
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:08 PM ET
Buyout?
- Mordecai


I think someone else is getting traded or is going to enjoy the splendor of beautiful Lehigh Valley.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:08 PM ET
At least we didn't trade a 1st and legitimate center prospect for Ryan (frank)ing Reeves
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:08 PM ET
Wow didnt see that coming
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:08 PM ET
Both Lehtera and Filppula can play the Wing if need be. Makes one wonder whether Laughton and Vecchione are going to have a legit shot to make the team. I'm thinking some kind of dominoes but it's not as if the deal cleared significant cap space.
- MJL


We have a ton of wings already too. We're paying 2 centers $10 mil (one signed for 2 years) to play wing and 4C in the bottom 6? That makes zero sense unless 1 goes. Even if we ship out Read or someone for $$ reasons, there was a glut already with him. Something more has to be going on.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:09 PM ET
Can he get above Giroux, Couturier, Filppula and Patrick as a center?
- Feanor


He thinks the game fairly well -- again, he played with Tarasenko and he helped him to the seasons he's had the last few years

Like T'hawk said, if you put him with skill, he can do some things

I never count on prospects to make the big club, so I don't count on Patrick for next season, but to me, it depends on what you wanna do with Couturier.

Do you want Couturier to continue to develop as a No. 2 center and hopefully put up more points? Then no, Lehtera doesn't slot in there because you are trying to get everything you can out of Couturier

If you tell me I want a line where the wingers are gonna get looks because I want more consistent offense next season, then yeah, I'd slot Lehtera where Couturier is
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:09 PM ET
The Lehtera thing is weird though. 2 years yet at a pretty big cap hit for a 4th line C. Wtf.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:09 PM ET
This is a good trade. If we're under the cap anyways who cares. (frank)ing 2 firsts for schenn?! A guy who we can't get to fit anywhere but on the pp
- Just5


Usually agree with you. I don't here. While Schenn is very streaky trading guys who score goals for guys who don't isn't a great idea.

How often do picks at the end of the first round hit? 30%?

Big hole on the PP now. The second PP unit was a poopshow all last season.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:09 PM ET
Don't know if you noticed, but we have a ton of wings already too. We're paying 2 centers $10 mil (one signed for 2 years) to play wing in the bottom 6? That makes zero sense unless 1 goes.
- Mononoke


OR....OR....

Maybe this is part of a plan to have a more skilled bottom 6?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:09 PM ET
That Pens trade is terrible
- Mononoke

if any part of you was on the fence about your deal, at least it wasnt (frank)ing that one.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:10 PM ET
That Pens trade is terrible
- Mononoke


Dropping 20-something picks for Ryan Reaves.... genius.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 10:10 PM ET
We have a ton of wings already too. We're paying 2 centers $10 mil (one signed for 2 years) to play wing and 4C in the bottom 6? That makes zero sense unless 1 goes. Even if we ship out Read or someone for $$ reasons, there was a glut already with him. Something more has to be going on.
- Mononoke


That and the fact that Lehtera hasn't played wing in the NHL
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:10 PM ET
Usually agree with you. I don't here. While Schenn is very streaky trading guys who score goals for guys who don't isn't a great idea.

How often do picks at the end of the first round hit? 30%?

Big hole on the PP now. The second PP unit was a poopshow all last season.

- PLindbergh31


The Flyers just drafted the 2nd best amateur player.

I'm quite sure he can do whatever the (frank) Brayden Schenn did on the power play.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:10 PM ET
Blues took on the player with the higher cap hit. How is it a cap dump for them?
- MJL


They dumped a player on us that has a way overvalued cap number. It's a dump regardless of what went back their way

The flyers pp is going to look different next year in all likelihood with Mullen gone. I think that was a big factor in this
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:10 PM ET
Dropping 30-something picks for Ryan Reaves.... genius.
- Tomahawk

Who knew there was a more terrible decision than protecting Ryan Reaves
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:11 PM ET
The Flyers just drafted the 2nd best amateur player.

I'm quite sure he can do whatever the (frank) Brayden Schenn did on the power play.

- johndewar

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:11 PM ET
OR....OR....

Maybe this is part of a plan to have a more skilled bottom 6?

- johndewar


No. You don't spend $10 million on 2 bottom 6 players. We should already have, even minus Schenn:

Lindblom-Giroux-Simmonds
Konecny-Coots-Voracek
Flip-Patrick-Weal

Raffl can also play 3rd line. They signed Weise to be a 3rd line guy too. They already had a glut of skilled bottom 6 players.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:11 PM ET
We have a ton of wings already too. We're paying 2 centers $10 mil (one signed for 2 years) to play wing and 4C in the bottom 6? That makes zero sense unless 1 goes. Even if we ship out Read or someone for $$ reasons, there was a glut already with him. Something more has to be going on.
- Mononoke


Essentially 19 million for read filp lehtera and MacDonald.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 23 @ 10:12 PM ET
Just got home, how did we get to #27?
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