I could see Simmonds moving for maybe a pair of the 1st's from Vegas. Not the 6th, but maybe the Jets and Isles pick. I don't know how to feel about it though.
- hereticpride

simmonds is almost sure to be a better player than both of those picks will be

I'm fine with Provy-Gudas, but IIRC, Provorov, when paired with AMac, often played his off side.

No, it always Provorov on the left.

TOR Would be a perfect fit for Simmonds.

What's the ask from Philly?

I like Gudas.

Just not as a first pairing guy.
- J35Bacher

The problem is right now they don't have a legitimate 1st pair player to pair with Provorov. I also think the Flyers need to separate their two best overall defenseman and keep them on different pairings.

I like Gudas.

Just not as a first pairing guy.
- J35Bacher

Which makes zero sense considering he was actually put in a tougher role than playing next to Provorov by having to carry Manning, MDZ and Streit this season. But he still excelled in every statistical category.

He's a better dman than Methot.

TOR Would be a perfect fit for Simmonds.

What's the ask from Philly?
- paulozz

Nylander or Marner

Simmer wouldn't be enough though

PACIFIC
ANA - Gibson (2) - Bernier Enroth both (0)
ARI - Chad Johnson (0) - Domingue (1)
CGY- Mike Smith (2) - Brian Elliott (0)
EDM - Talbot (2) - Brossoit (1)
LAK - Quick (6) - Zatkoff (1)
SJS - Jones (1) - Dell (1)
VAN - Markstrom (3) - Miller (0)
VGK - Fleury (2) - Pickard (1)

CENTRAL
CHI - Crawford (3) - Glass (1)
COL - Varlamov (2) - Smith (0)
DAL - Bishop (6) - Lehtonen/Niemi (1)
MIN - Dubnyk (4) - Stalock (2) Kuemper (0)
NSH - Rinne (2) - Saros (1)
STL - Allen (4) - Hutton (1)
WPG - Hellebyuck (0) - Hutchinson (1) /Pavelec (0)

ATLANTIC
BOS - Rask (4) - Khudobin (1)
BUF - Lehner (0) / Nilsson (0)
DET - Howard (2) - Mrazek (1)
FLA - Luongo (5) - Reimer (4)
MTL - Price (1) - Montoya (2)
OTT - Anderson (1) - Hammond (1)
TBL - Vasilesky (3) - Budaj (2)
TOR - Andersen (4) - McIlhenny (0)

METROPOLITAN
CAR - Darling (4) - Lack/Ward (1)
CLB - Bobrovsky (2) - Korpisolo (2)
NJD - Schneider (5) - Kinkaid (0)
NYI - Greiss (3) - Halak (1)
NYR - Lundqvist (4) - Raanta (1)
PHI - Neuvirth (2) - Mason (0)
PIT - Murray (3) - Jarry (1)
WAS - Holtby (3) - Grubauer (0)

PACIFIC
ANA - Gibson (2) - Bernier Enroth both (0)
ARI - Chad Johnson (0) - Domingue (1)
CGY- Mike Smith (2) - Brian Elliott (0)
VAN - Markstrom (3) - Miller (0)

CENTRAL
COL - Varlamov (2) - Smith (0)
WPG - Hellebyuck (0) - Hutchinson (1) /Pavelec (0)

ATLANTIC
BUF - Lehner (0) / Nilsson (0)
OTT - Anderson (1) - Hammond (1)
TOR - Andersen (4) - McIlhenny (0)

METROPOLITAN
NJD - Schneider (5) - Kinkaid (0)
PHI - Neuvirth (2) - Mason (0)

- YuenglingJagr

There is basically nowhere for Mason to go

Please, someone explain to me why it's imperative that we trade our best forward ASAP. We may have to give him a raise in 2 years? Okay, then (frank)ing give him the raise. Trade Schenn if you have to.

simmonds is almost sure to be a better player than both of those picks will be
- bulet13

This. A premier NHL power forward on a good deal for 2 mid-round firsts? No thank you.

I'm actually most interested in their 2018 unprotected 1st which will likely be top 5 in what most scouts feel is a stronger draft than 2017, turning AMac into Methot (who has one year less left on his deal) would just be a bonus.

And, actually the importance of this draft to the Flyers can be overstated. Neither of the top 2 guys is a sure fire 1C. You aren't trading McDavid or Mathews or even Eichel if you move that pick. IMO, getting the 6th pick this year, another mid round 2017 1st, LV's unprotected 2018 1st and upgrading your D while simultaneously bettering your long term cap picture is worth making a deal.
- BiggE

Hischier seems like a pretty likely 1C -- he's too (frank)ing skilled and smart and responsible to not become something nice. Whether or not he ends up staying at C would depend on the team the drafts him. If it's NJ, hard to see them using him as anything but a C. Ditto Vegas. The Flyers love converting C's to Wing over the years, so you never know.

Patrick, I'm not as sure about. The overall package is undeniable, but I'm kind of wondering if he'll be able to fully translate all of his offense to the next level. He's got decent N-S wheels, but does he have enough 1v1 game/lateral movement to elude NHL defenders? He could end up more of a distributing C than an overall threat.

TOR Would be a perfect fit for Simmonds.

What's the ask from Philly?
- paulozz

Nylander

I'm really surprised McPhee would be willing to drop so much draft capital to get Patrick. He s worth it if he becomes close to Matthews. Looks like Schmidt and Theodore are mainstays, so adding a bona-fide 1 center makes sense. I just don't see a trade with the Flyers. Prospects are ready to make the jump to the NHL right now, all that is missing is a young center and goalie. This draft solves one problem no matter what happens at 1.

Yeah, he'd be a tough guy to move and with 2 years still on his current deal, there is no rush to do so. However, unless they think they are a legit contender going into 18-19 (pretty unlikely), next offseason would be the smart time to move him.

I'm very leery about re-signing soon to be 31 year old power forwards to long term, big money deals.
- BiggE

I love Simmer, but my biggest fear is he pops in 40 goals this year and Hexy extends him for 8 x 9.5 or something similar. Just as he both hits his peak and then starts a drastic, rapid decline and we have a 33 year old 9 mil player on one good leg or something else slows him down.

Please, someone explain to me why it's imperative that we trade our best forward ASAP. We may have to give him a raise in 2 years? Okay, then (frank)ing give him the raise. Trade Schenn if you have to.
- jmatchett383

This

Please, someone explain to me why it's imperative that we trade our best forward ASAP. We may have to give him a raise in 2 years? Okay, then (frank)ing give him the raise. Trade Schenn if you have to.
- jmatchett383

I am wondering this as well. He is 28. With 2 years left at a great cap hit. I just dont see him falling off a cliff at 30.

if Vegas offers you #6 and #13, you take it and Run!!!!! this is no knock on Patrick!!! but five years from now you'd look back and laugh. If you come away with either Glass or Vilardi and Valimaki or Lillgren, it would huge score

Hischier seems like a pretty likely 1C -- he's too (frank)ing skilled and smart and responsible to not become something nice. Whether or not he ends up staying at C would depend on the team the drafts him. If it's NJ, hard to see them using him as anything but a C. Ditto Vegas. The Flyers love converting C's to Wing over the years, so you never know.

Patrick, I'm not as sure about. The overall package is undeniable, but I'm kind of wondering if he'll be able to fully translate all of his offense to the next level. He's got decent N-S wheels, but does he have enough 1v1 game/lateral movement to elude NHL defenders? He could end up more of a distributing C than an overall threat.
- Tomahawk

I don't worry about patrick.

Something Bill said though does always come up when i think about hischier. A fast riser who climbed his draft year. He kind of compared hischer to the rise of Nino Niederreiter.

PACIFIC
ANA - Gibson (2) - Bernier Enroth both (0)
ARI - Chad Johnson (0) - Domingue (1)
CGY- Mike Smith (2) - Brian Elliott (0)
EDM - Talbot (2) - Brossoit (1)
LAK - Quick (6) - Zatkoff (1)
SJS - Jones (1) - Dell (1)
VAN - Markstrom (3) - Miller (0)
VGK - Fleury (2) - Pickard (1)

CENTRAL
CHI - Crawford (3) - Glass (1)
COL - Varlamov (2) - Smith (0)
DAL - Bishop (6) - Lehtonen/Niemi (1)
MIN - Dubnyk (4) - Stalock (2) Kuemper (0)
NSH - Rinne (2) - Saros (1)
STL - Allen (4) - Hutton (1)
WPG - Hellebyuck (0) - Hutchinson (1) /Pavelec (0)

ATLANTIC
BOS - Rask (4) - Khudobin (1)
BUF - Lehner (0) / Nilsson (0)
DET - Howard (2) - Mrazek (1)
FLA - Luongo (5) - Reimer (4)
MTL - Price (1) - Montoya (2)
OTT - Anderson (1) - Hammond (1)
TBL - Vasilesky (3) - Budaj (2)
TOR - Andersen (4) - McIlhenny (0)

METROPOLITAN
CAR - Darling (4) - Lack/Ward (1)
CLB - Bobrovsky (2) - Korpisolo (2)
NJD - Schneider (5) - Kinkaid (0)
NYI - Greiss (3) - Halak (1)
NYR - Lundqvist (4) - Raanta (1)
PHI - Neuvirth (2) - Mason (0)
PIT - Murray (3) - Jarry (1)
WAS - Holtby (3) - Grubauer (0)
- YuenglingJagr

Are the numbers the years left on their current deals?

Are the numbers the years left on their current deals?
- MBFlyerfan

yeah

if Vegas offers you #6 and #13, you take it and Run!!!!! this is no knock on Patrick!!! but five years from now you'd look back and laugh. If you come away with either Glass or Vilardi and Valimaki or Lillgren, it would huge score
- Ross77

Or 5 years you'd look back and be sad that Patrick is a top-10 scorer while you have 2 second liners.

Nothing in this draft is a sure thing, but give me a top-2 pick as opposed to a top-10 pick and a mid-rounder.

This. A premier NHL power forward on a good deal for 2 mid-round firsts? No thank you.
- jmatchett383

2 mid-round first in a weak draft nonetheless

Please, someone explain to me why it's imperative that we trade our best forward ASAP. We may have to give him a raise in 2 years? Okay, then (frank)ing give him the raise. Trade Schenn if you have to.
- jmatchett383

If we didn't land #2, maybe different story. that was the best thing about landing this pick (imo): it allowed Hexy to have more time before making a decision such as trading Schenn or Simmonds.

I love Simmer, but my biggest fear is he pops in 40 goals this year and Hexy extends him for 8 x 9.5 or something similar. Just as he both hits his peak and then starts a drastic, rapid decline and we have a 33 year old 9 mil player on one good leg or something else slows him down.
- jaws1955

doesn't really seem like something Hexy would do...

I don't worry about patrick.

Something Bill said though does always come up when i think about hischier. A fast riser who climbed his draft year. He kind of compared hischer to the rise of Nino Niederreiter.
- J35Bacher

I compare it to Lecavalier vs. Legwand. Vinny was the consensus at the start of the year, and Legwand was a guy who was good but exploded his draft year.