That's 4.5 per
- MaximumBone

I had to read that one a few times to try and figure out what he was saying. Glad it wasn't just me.

That's 4.5 per
- MaximumBone

Well that's embarrassing eh. Still not as bad as that deal though haha.

I had to read that one a few times to try and figure out what he was saying. Glad it wasn't just me.
- smellmyfinger

Fukn better be fake

Gonna have to disagree. Sure, it wasn't absolutely necessary this year but it was going to happen. Once Lucic was signed, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion. Any team would be hard pressed to afford all of McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, RNH AND Nuge making 6mil+ and still be able to ice a competitive bottom-6. That's around 30mil for 5 top-6 forwards.

The way I see it, it came down to three options:

1.) Move Nuge, but he's a C and more versatile (McLellan loves the guy).

2.) Wait till next season and risk a further decline from Eberle (who still wouldn't get PP1 time) and be desperate to trade him thus getting even less for him. Even if he had a resurgence, you'd be losing value as a result of our needing to move him. Best case I can imagine, we wait a year and get a Strome-level player anyway.

3.) Trade him now for a young, safe bet for 35-45 points who you can determine the value of in-season and likely resign as a valuable and relatively cheap middle-6 guy for the future.
- MaximumBone

MoveNuge is the answer all day. Probably could have flipped him to Vegas for Eakin and Tvr

Fukn better be fake
- Iggysbff

No way he gets 4.5 and a NMC, unless it's only a 2 year deal, and even then that's bad.

Gonna have to disagree. Sure, it wasn't absolutely necessary this year but it was going to happen. Once Lucic was signed, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion. Any team would be hard pressed to afford all of McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, RNH AND Nuge making 6mil+ and still be able to ice a competitive bottom-6. That's around 30mil for 5 top-6 forwards.

The way I see it, it came down to three options:

1.) Move Nuge, but he's a C and more versatile (McLellan loves the guy).

2.) Wait till next season and risk a further decline from Eberle (who still wouldn't get PP1 time) and be desperate to trade him thus getting even less for him. Even if he had a resurgence, you'd be losing value as a result of our needing to move him. Best case I can imagine, we wait a year and get a Strome-level player anyway.

3.) Trade him now for a young, safe bet for 35-45 points who you can determine the value of in-season and likely resign as a valuable and relatively cheap middle-6 guy for the future.
- MaximumBone

2. Of course .

We haven't actually won anything yet. Why are we selling off assets?

amd strome only has 1 year left . Best case he lights it up even somewhat comparable to ebs and wants a big raise . At the same time when the cap crunch comes.

OR he plays poorly and we trade him for nothing. NO Difference. (Or he's a depth guy- whatev- that's not a bonus)




This deal was so pc could sign Russel to the fuking insane deal they're reporting

It smacks of desperation Cause of sekeras injury

The mark of a poor and ill Prepared gm

Much like the hasty move he made after losing out on Hamilton


I found the ray of light in the hall deal. Even some rationale for the Reinhart deal.
BUt cmon peter. Be smart
- Ihateallofu

That it does. Schlemko and Miller from Vegas would've made more sense and wouldn't have impeded the team financially down the road. In fact, we might've even been able to unearth a real gem in Miller. Kids got a (frank)ing wicked shot and carries the puck better than Nurse.

The reality that Chiarelli (over)values veterans on D is becoming very clear. Similar in Boston in committing to older players for too long.

I'll restate that I actually have seen my view on Russell change and, if we didn't have Sekera, I'd probably be fine with this deal. But, as we DO have Sekera and thus can't facilitate playing Russell on the left side, then I believe this is a failure.

YEAH, I mean dude was a high pick and has skills

45 pts and/or within ten of ebs with a better defensive presence I'll happily accept
- Ihateallofu

Reports are he's VERY excited to be going to the Oilers. He even roasted Crappy, apparently. Saying he felt much better being coached by Weight. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit of he ended up being a 60 point producer. Kid has talent.

He had 30 points last year.

28 and a trip to the minors the year before

THose totals will be totally unacceptable next year. Can you imagine the vitriol had ebs done similar totals!!? People talk like he's the worst player ever and he had 20 goals and 51 as his worst season


And it's not like strome is a rook. He's 24 in a couple weeks.
Concerning
- Ihateallofu

It's not that concerning. I don't have the Eberle blinders on. He's been regressing hard last couple years. Nothing but upside for stroke.

2. Of course .

We haven't actually won anything yet. Why are we selling off assets?

amd strome only has 1 year left . Best case he lights it up even somewhat comparable to ebs and wants a big raise . At the same time when the cap crunch comes.

OR he plays poorly and we trade him for nothing. NO Difference. (Or he's a depth guy- whatev- that's not a bonus)




This deal was so pc could sign Russel to the fuking insane deal they're reporting
- Ihateallofu

Or he plays average and resigns at a reasonable rate around 3mil and can act as a valuable and versatile forward moving around our top-9 as needed. That has a lot of value that I think you undervalue as much as I may undervalue Eberle's contributions.

Of course the cheaper the better but 4 mill a season for what he brings to the table is not that crazy. Chia really likes him and apparently so does McLellan. This from David Staples:

In the end, the bottom line about Russell — no matter how ardently some Oilers fans and bloggers will deny this fact — is he was a solid second-pairing dman on a team in close contention for the Stanley Cup. He’s also just 30 years old, so it can be expected that his play will start to deteriorate due to age and injury but he should be able to hang on near his current level for three or four more years. However poorly some armchair GMs (and it’s important to note such folks often have a weak or entirely uneven records in terms of player assessment) might think of Kris Russell, Oilers coach Todd McLellan clearly does not agree with them, not in the slightest. Russell played more minutes per game at even strength than any other Oilers d-man in the 2016-17 regular season and got the second most minutes after Adam Larsson at even strength in the playoffs. McLellan views Russell as a top-pairing d-man right now.
- Oildrum

Jesus Murphy.....

Jesus Murphy.....
- Larsson_fan

The top pairing d man part got you too?

Except he's not wrong about this current regime...

(frank) I hate this gm. He's a godamn moron.
- Iggysbff

The Oilers problem is that they'll still be really good because of McDavid, but Chiarelli will somehow continue to get credit for the Oilers being really good

Jesus Murphy.....
- Larsson_fan

you expect different from oildumb?
He might be stupider than Hallfan...

Reports are he's VERY excited to be going to the Oilers. He even roasted Crappy, apparently. Saying he felt much better being coached by Weight. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit of he ended up being a 60 point producer. Kid has talent.
- Isleshockeyman

You're my ray of sunshine right now :

But cereal- it's not like I don't know strome has talent and the fact that he's a natural center comes in super handy.
Just hoping that the last 2 seasons were as you say


ebs'll get 60 next year for ya. Hoping strome gets 45-50

The Oilers problem is that they'll still be really good because of McDavid, but Chiarelli will somehow continue to get credit for the Oilers being really good
- mattmoulson

I know that...

Try to tell these Fukien idiots that..

The Oilers problem is that they'll still be really good because of McDavid, but Chiarelli will somehow continue to get credit for the Oilers being really good
- mattmoulson

I'd offer to trade you snow for Chia, but, never mind.

You're my ray of sunshine right now :

But cereal- it's not like I don't know strome has talent and the fact that he's a natural center comes in super handy.
Just hoping that the last 2 seasons were as you say


ebs'll get 60 next year for ya. Hoping strome gets 45-50
- Ihateallofu

Strome is worse than Nuge. What are we putting him on a wing?

Or he plays average and resigns at a reasonable rate around 3mil and can act as a valuable and versatile forward moving around our top-9 as needed. That has a lot of value that I think you undervalue as much as I may undervalue Eberle's contributions.
- MaximumBone

Which still means we're worse off unless puju steps up and can be a true top 6 scorer

Under your scenario, Sure we saved money- but got worse



Puju and where that money goes is the only way chia makes this a win in your scenario

You're my ray of sunshine right now :

But cereal- it's not like I don't know strome has talent and the fact that he's a natural center comes in super handy.
Just hoping that the last 2 seasons were as you say


ebs'll get 60 next year for ya. Hoping strome gets 45-50
- Ihateallofu

I think Strome is easily capable of it. He played all 3 forward positions with Crappy as the coach. That should tell you something right there. The sentiment on the Isles thread is the same as what I'm telling you. We even agree, sadly, that he'll win a cup with you guys before Tavares.

Strome is worse than Nuge. What are we putting him on a wing?
- Iggysbff

Either wing or center. Crappy had him play all 3. Quit being so (frank)ing negative. You're getting a talented kid that desperately needs a change of scenery.

I think Strome is easily capable of it. He played all 3 forward positions with Crappy as the coach. That should tell you something right there. The sentiment on the Isles thread is the same as what I'm telling you. We even agree, sadly, that he'll win a cup with you guys before Tavares.
- Isleshockeyman

You are all soooo wrong...

You're my ray of sunshine right now :

But cereal- it's not like I don't know strome has talent and the fact that he's a natural center comes in super handy.
Just hoping that the last 2 seasons were as you say


ebs'll get 60 next year for ya. Hoping strome gets 45-50
- Ihateallofu

If you want some more rays of sunshine regarding Strome, he produced at a clip of over 2 pts/60 under Weight. That'd rank behind only McDavid, Pitlick and Draisaitl on the Oilers. Obviously it could just be that one coach, but it's a good sign towards Cappy actually being a major problem.

He and Eberle also have scored at an identical pace over the past three years in primary pts/60. Niche statistic, I know, but I'm trying to cheer you up!

Either wing or center. Crappy had him play all 3. Quit being so (frank)ing negative. You're getting a talented kid that desperately needs a change of scenery.
- Isleshockeyman

Quit being so stupid. A guy doesn't magically became a great player. Unless on McD's line. Then any one could fukin be awesome.

Which still means we're worse off unless puju steps up and can be a true top 6 scorer

Under your scenario, Sure we saved money- but got worse



Puju and where that money goes is the only way chia makes this a win in your scenario
- Ihateallofu

The reality of the situation our roster is in (big money down the middle) is that we're going to have to live with and get by with cheaper wingers. Guys who AREN'T necessarily legit top-6 options on their own but can be signed for reasonable deals and can play with our guys. See Pittsburgh with Guentzel, Sheary, Rust, Kunitz, Dupuis and the likes. Guys like Caggiula, Slepyshev, Benson and maybe Foo might be that for us.

Maybe you don't like it happening so soon and that's okay but, like an Eberle trade, it's bound to happen eventually. Such is the path we were set on when we got McDavid and Draisaitl.