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Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:57 PM ET
Can we swap GM's...please???
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:03 PM ET
GMGM got the most value without pissing off a potential future trading partner ...if he goes rogue do you think any other teams will trust his word ...if you don't like shea that's your deal but I think he did well
- Redmile247


You don't need to explain the pros and cons of having integrity as a GM.

He still could have told Bob that that is the nature of going into an expansion with depth like that. Doesn't need to burn any bridges. Could still have gotten Vats out of the division.

We'll see in a few years. I'll be sure to bring it up and be a real douchebag about it if Vatanen is the reason the Golden Knights lose an important game or two.
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:08 PM ET
Sure; terrible, terrible policy. But.. he could have agreed to a Theodore deal and then gone rogue when it came time to submit his picks.

Or just say "tough luck" and force Murray to trade Vatanen.

Both options would translate to a divisional rival losing a very good defenseman. Theodore (frank)ing sucked ass last year. Not a fan of that turnover machine.

- fry


You pretty much get blacklisted in this league if you try to offer sheet a player, and that is well within the rules

I don't think anyone would make a fair deal with McPhee ever again if he did that, he'd be out of the job in a year or two. Plus, I'd imagine these deals were a little more than a handshake, I'm sure other GMs had some sort of protection/assurance that these deals would be upheld (Lindros anyone).

Christ, people still bring it up whenever they discus the Lindros trade:

https://www.theglobeandma...os-trade/article32809052/
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:10 PM ET
Can we swap GM's...please???
- Iggysbff


But yours was nominated for GM of the year!!
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:12 PM ET
You don't need to explain the pros and cons of having integrity as a GM.

He still could have told Bob that that is the nature of going into an expansion with depth like that. Doesn't need to burn any bridges. Could still have gotten Vats out of the division.

We'll see in a few years. I'll be sure to bring it up and be a real douchebag about it if Vatanen is the reason the Golden Knights lose an important game or two.

- fry


I don't see vegas having an important game anytime soon


But if it happens I'll be the first to congratulate you
Squilliam-
Calgary Flames
Location: Diagon Alley
Joined: 10.25.2016

Jun 22 @ 11:14 PM ET
WTF?!!!!!!!

I thought you always had my back!

- The-O-G



I do buddy! I am so sorry for ever making you doubt that.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Jun 22 @ 11:18 PM ET
Can we swap GM's...please???
- Iggysbff


Be careful what you wish for. Treliving is getting dangerously close to losing all the good will he's build up.

How many ex Coyotes do you want on your team?
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Jun 22 @ 11:26 PM ET
Be careful what you wish for. Treliving is getting dangerously close to losing all the good will he's build up.

How many ex Coyotes do you want on your team?

- Hunkulese


Jamie McGinn, anyone?
Saskabush
Calgary Flames
Location: Bridge City, SK
Joined: 10.29.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:32 AM ET
Jamie McGinn, anyone?
- fry


OEL?


The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jun 23 @ 2:05 AM ET
I do buddy! I am so sorry for ever making you doubt that.
- Squilliam-


It's ok...the sun will rise tomorrow! I think!
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Jun 23 @ 9:29 AM ET
It's ok...the sun will rise tomorrow! I think!
- The-O-G

Pretty cloudy in cowtown today...
Yeah...Baby
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary , AB
Joined: 01.29.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:18 AM ET
2 first is the asking price! Sounds like the deal could happen soon!
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Jun 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
2 first is the asking price! Sounds like the deal could happen soon!
- Yeah...Baby

Listening to the Fan as well?
Ol_Boy_Wop
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:22 AM ET
2 first is the asking price! Sounds like the deal could happen soon!
- Yeah...Baby

Hopefully there's a 2nd coming back to the Flames. No picks in the first 3 rounds isn't a good look or good asset management.
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Jun 23 @ 10:31 AM ET
Hopefully there's a 2nd coming back to the Flames. No picks in the first 3 rounds isn't a good look or good asset management.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

It happens. If the Flames were still in full rebuild I'd agree, but clearly they are not.
Ol_Boy_Wop
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.24.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:33 AM ET
It happens. If the Flames were still in full rebuild I'd agree, but clearly they are not.
- Clyde334

They also aren't close to winning the Cup. If they were on the cusp, I'd be all about losing the picks, but they aren't.
dr_soiledpants
Calgary Flames
Location: Watrous, SK
Joined: 08.15.2015

Jun 23 @ 10:33 AM ET
Hopefully there's a 2nd coming back to the Flames. No picks in the first 3 rounds isn't a good look or good asset management.
- Ol_Boy_Wop


2 1sts for hamonic and a 2nd sounds pretty close to me. If you're gaining a solid top 4 defender who will be part of the core for the next decade, does it really matter if you don't pick until the 4th round?

Edit: maybe not decade, 4-6 probably more likely.
FlamesNOTLames
Calgary Flames
Location: Strathmore, AB
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
What? Great for Vegas is what I'm getting. Wait till someone crushes Johnny and no one stands up. What's that worth? Not great for Calgary.
- Clyde334

I think Ferkland takes the honor of being the equalizer and Hathaway likes to rough it up a bit too. Worse comes to worse track down Oliwa and the flames would have everyone scared to mess with JG.
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